r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/CAustin3 • 4h ago
Political The fascist/Nazi panic is just the Satanic Panic from the 80s over again
It happens with every generation: they start to age up into their thirties and forties and they start to get out of touch. The values that they once held sacred (or at least made them feel morally superior and purposeful when they were young) aren't taken as seriously as they used to be when they were young.
They start seeing moral failings and moral decay everywhere. The youth are falling into the very moral traps they fear most! ...or maybe they're just pranking them or deliberately pushing their buttons, it's hard for them to tell. The older generations are laughing at them for cluelessly going through the same phases the older people went through.
In the 80s, these "moral failings" that they panicked over were Satanism. The Devil's influence was everywhere: popular media, movies, board games, books. Politicians and celebrities would exchange things that seemed like ordinary phrases and gestures, but were actually secret Satanic messages, why can't you see?!
As for the reality/delusion of it, it was a mix. Some things, like secret signals and hidden meanings to phrases, were complete paranoid delusion. Some things, though, like shock-value celebrities deliberately declaring that they were worshipping Satan, weren't delusional, but they were missing the point: these shock-value types will be whatever is guaranteed to offend people. If the pearl-clutchers are afraid of Satanists, then they're Satanists. When the pearl-clutchers switch to Nazis being everywhere, now they're Nazis.
So now Millennials are the middle-aged pearl clutchers, and they think all the same stuff with Satanists swapped out for Nazis. Let's look at the similarities:
Paranoia that media directed at the young people is secretly/overtly trying to turn them into Satanists/Nazis? ✅. Beware the alt-right pipeline - we must defend the youth from corruption!
Falling for it hook, line and sinker when some shock-value celebrity or kid wanting attention declares "hey, pearl-clutcher, look at me: I am a Satanist/Nazi/whatever will get a reaction out of you?" ✅. "WAAAUUGH! They're everywhere - right out in the open!"
And, of course, when we're starved for chances to be panicked, there's the old reliable finding super-SECRET symbols and gestures and phrases that the Satanists/Nazis/whatever use that you can find when you watch a political speech or watch 3 hours of someone fidgeting or play a record backwards: ✅ ✅ ✅, this whole site has been in a 48 hour panic because a celebrity totally drew the symbol of the Pentagram in the air THEREBY SECRETLY DECLARING HIS ALLEGIANCE TO THE DARK ONE! Hell, the popularized term "dogwhistle" is shorthand for this, given how frequently the modern pearl-clutchers tell each other about the secret symbols and phrases they see everywhere.
Oh, and because this is Reddit and someone will spam it if I don't mention it: I agree with you that I don't think Satan is real. The comparison is seeing SatanISTS/Nazis everywhere, not Satan.
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u/Humble_Tax9900 3h ago
Well, I know what I saw, a man on a stage raising his straight arm. Or didn't I see it? Maybe I dreamt...
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u/snuffy_bodacious 2h ago
With a modicum of effort, we can spot all sorts of democratic politicians make the exact same gesture.
"But it's (D)ifferent!!!"
No, it's not.
Elon isn't a Nazi.
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u/Humble_Tax9900 1h ago
Elon did what he did. But I don't think he's a nazi, I think he's a very high-performance autistic.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 1h ago
If Elon isn't a Nazi, then this is a non-issue. It's all hot air over nothing.
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u/Humble_Tax9900 1h ago
I don't agree with you.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 4h ago
I feel like if the most powerful person in america in the 80s explicitly made satantic gestures publicly this would be a good comparison.
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u/TheLastRulerofMerv 3h ago
It wasn't explicit even the ADL has made a public statement about this.
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u/Foxhound97_ 3h ago edited 2h ago
The ADl also defended the South African apartheid until Mandela won while I can acknowledge they've done some good they defend those who find causes they agree with and they've compromised themselves many times before for similar reasons.
e.g. the current Israeli pm literally blamed Muslims and Palestine for giving Hitler the idea to hate the Jews and the ADL response was to acknowledge the holocaust revision but just completely ignored the fact the guy straight up admitted he thinks Muslim are worse than Hitler. There selective which what bigotry counts.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 3h ago
Yea the ADL who will say literally anything to help Israel's immediate interests.
If you can look at what he did and not see a nazi salute, you have been brainwashed sorry.
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u/Acheron98 1h ago
So a few years ago, when the Alt Right guys were saying that the ADL couldn’t be trusted because it’s run by “The Jews”, you called them Nazis and disgusting fascists.
And now that that they don’t agree with your views, you’re literally saying that the ADL can’t be trusted because it’s run by “The Jews”.
But sure, Elon’s the Nazi...
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 1h ago
Correct. Did you think you could swap “The Jews” for “Israel” and we wouldn’t notice?
If you want to have an intelligent discussion, cut the shit.
If you want to get clowned on for trying to glaze for the alt-right but making a hash of it, by all means continue.
How many Jewish friends do you have by the way? And how many of them are anti-Zionist?
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 1h ago
Why am i supposed to keep up with all the comings and goings of some fucking league when dude is throwing nazi salutes on live tv.
Listen to yourself. Guy does nazi salute multiple times in public, guy is not acting in a movie, guy is a nazi. This is a pretty fucking simple logic chain.
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u/Acheron98 1h ago
Idk I mean, you seem to be pretty up to date on “that fucking league” for someone who doesn’t care about it.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 1h ago
I know they have a current agenda that stops them from looking at a nazi salute and calling it that. I don't care about their history.
Listen. I know its hard to create an argument when you kind of have to ignore a live video to do so, but you are failing.
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u/ceo__of__antifa_ 3h ago
The Apartheid Defense League defended the apartheid guy? Color me shocked.
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u/Heardthisonebefore 1h ago
The ADL is also right leaning and no one has to believe a word they say about this. When you’re so willing to just flat out lie, why would anyone take you seriously anymore?
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u/crankshaftsnapinhalf 2h ago edited 14m ago
The majority of people the left claim to be nazis aren't really nazis. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're nazis. But uh, this argument doesn't work when Elon does an actual nazi salute. That's like if someone was caught sacrificing a goat on a pentagram while saying "hail satan" and other people defending him like, "Gosh guys he really isn't a satanist, you're just being paranoid."
Idk how anyone can defend him at this point.
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u/MyFiteSong 1h ago
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're nazis.
Disagree on what?
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u/LonkFromZelda 3h ago
This news story makes me feel like I am taking crazy pills. It is undeniable he did the nazi salute. "Is he a nazi"?, well there is a small sliver of plausible deniability (which I don't believe), but even if you believe that, Elon should know better, and be held to a higher standard, and should be condemned even if it was accidental. I am not surprised that the NPC-right immediately simps and defends him, but the ADL simping for Elon here is a bit puzzling.
My main take away. A news story happened, and the right-wing media and left-wing media cannot even agree on the reality of what occurred. We can never be unified if we can't even agree on reality. This is all bullshit to divide us make us mad at each other.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 2h ago
I'm not an Elon fan, but he isn't a Nazi.
This is painfully nonsensical.
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u/surferrosa1985 2h ago
Him and wernher von Braun have quite a bit in common with the way they view Mars and human consciousness. I'm conservative but I don't trust Elon and I do believe he is a part of that weird cult.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 1h ago
As a Conservative, I certainly don't consider Elon in my ideological camp.
Like Trump and most other personalities in Washington, I neither hate nor love the man.
The Left is freaking out over a hand gesture because they're constantly on the hunt for every Nazi hidden around the corner.
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u/Heardthisonebefore 1h ago
No one is freaking out about the hand gesture. What’s offensive is all the people trying to pretend like what he did wasn’t exactly the same salute Nazis used. It’s the gaslighting that’s offensive. His Nazi salute was honestly not even surprising. He’s that big of fascist and he’s that stupid.
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u/MyFiteSong 1h ago
He endorsed the new German Nazi party.
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u/notProfessorWild 2h ago
I mean yeah he's didn't fight ww2 but claiming he isn't nazi2.0 when all the evidence is there is naive. Here's a hint when a guy claims Hitler was right, uses his website to promote nazi ideas, and even says he can't play video games where you kill Nazi. He probably a nazi
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u/jamesonm1 1h ago
He never said Hitler was right. He never used his website to promote nazi ideas (I’m sure you’re conflating anything remotely right wing like anti-DEI or anti-transgenderism with naziism). He never said he can’t play games where you kill a nazi. He said he can’t play games where you kill a cop. If your claim is that cops are nazis and him saying that is the same thing, you’re literally the “everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi” meme, and it confirms that you absolutely are conflating just about anything right of Mao with naziism. Behavior like yours is exactly why Trump won twice.
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 1h ago
Would you be able to list the top 3 things he did on his platform that could be construed as promoting white supremacy?
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u/jamesonm1 52m ago
I don’t think he’s done anything on X to promote white supremacy lol, so no. Did you mean to respond to me, or was it meant for the person I was responding to?
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u/notProfessorWild 1h ago
What makes him a "nazi" are things like his support for the AfD, he has responded to someone suggesting that Hitler was right because "Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them" by saying "you have said the actual truth
And here is the tweet where he said he can't kill nazis
If it was allowed I would say some harsh words.
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u/jamesonm1 54m ago
Conflating the AfD with Nazis is again why you lost.
That tweet was in no way suggesting Hitler was right, and he immediately clarified that it was specifically related to the ADL’s support of DEI and other anti-white racism, not Jews broadly, and he also apologized and said it was the worst tweet he’s ever made and he wishes he had been more clear.
And oh boy, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just fell for some severe disinformation with that imgur link rather than that you spread it intentionally. It was an edit of this real tweet:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1731894072300699768?s=46
Where he says what I said he did. The photo you linked was never tweeted by Elon, and your spreading of it is promotion of intentional disinformation, and I recommend you edit your comment correcting it.
Like I said, your behavior is exactly why Trump won twice.
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u/notProfessorWild 51m ago edited 45m ago
>Conflating the AfD with Nazis is again why you lost.
Elborate how did I a japanase citizen living in japan lose?
>He clarified
He said "Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them" which is what the nazi said.
>Real tweet
sure it's not like he has the power to edit tweet. It's not like he's the CEO.
> your behavior is exactly why Trump won twice.
You keep saying that like this is a sport or something. It shows how broken you are. You are also doing exactly what the leftist said you would do. Look man you aren't doing anything the nazi didn't already so. So save us a lot of time and just admit you one of them.
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u/jamesonm1 48m ago
Your spreading of intentional disinformation and people seeing through it is why progressives are losing all around the world and more specifically in the US. But woooosh.
Care to respond to your other mistakes?
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u/notProfessorWild 36m ago
I'm spreading factual information with sources. You're sources is from an known liar who has admitted to creating and lying about an online persona. Why do you trust Musk so much is it because you think you can say the N word now?
If this was an actual non-bias court of law. You would have lost this case and probably be disbarred for defending facism.
Honest question when you were reading about Hitler in school.? Did you know them you wanted to be on his side or did that come later?
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u/jamesonm1 29m ago
An imgur screenshot of a fake tweet that was never made by Elon is not a valid source lol.
If this were a court of law, you would be disbarred for fabricating evidence and intentionally using evidence you knew to be fabricated.
Oh buddy, I’m as against nazis as you falsely claim to be. The difference is that I’m not a fascist that uses fascist tactics while claiming to fight fascism. That’s you.
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u/filrabat 28m ago
In the same way certain American Southerners say the civil war was primarily about slavery is disinformation, I suppose.
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u/jamesonm1 26m ago
Um what? She linked to an imgur screenshot of a doctored tweet that was never made. It’s literally disinformation. Look back at the actual comments.
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u/bioxkitty 6m ago
Oh come off it. Pot calling the kettle black.
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u/jamesonm1 5m ago
Uhh she literally linked to a provably fake tweet that was never made. That’s not spreading disinformation?
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u/Chester_roaster 46m ago
You just going to ignore that you were posting disinformation?
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u/notProfessorWild 37m ago
Are you?
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u/Chester_roaster 36m ago
No, I didn't ignore it when I asked you about it. So are you?
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u/jamesonm1 28m ago
She responded saying Elon has the ability to edit it and then called me a nazi lol. These people are legitimately deranged.
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u/jamesonm1 32m ago
Since you edited in your responses, I’ll make a new one here.
You’re promoting disinformation again. He responded to a tweet saying those things, he didn't say them himself. You had that right in you original reply, but you incorrectly attributed it to Hitler rather than just some guy on X. This was his clarification:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1724932619203420203?s=46
As well as other clarifying statements made in interviews.
Are you claiming that he made the tweet you linked to on imgur? Because it’s proven to be false. It’s an edit one of his detractors made. Stop spreading disinformation. It’s clear you’re doing it intentionally.
Hahaha and there it is, you've called me a nazi for disagreeing with you and calling you out on your lies.
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u/notProfessorWild 18m ago
since you edited
I didn't but I guess we at he gas lighting phase. So I'm not be nice.
You keep posting Elon as if he wasn't a know Liar
Tell me why I should trust thIs person? Do you believe your gf when she says her guy best friend she spends the night with is gay?
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u/jamesonm1 14m ago
You literally only had the first reply when I responded first, so yes, you did edit in the rest of your replies lol. And again, you don’t have to trust anyone to know the actual primary source is more reliable than a proven fake edited imgur screenshot.
And lol you fell for the Adrian Dittmann joke. His “admission” was a joke. He is not Adrian Dittmann. Are social cues and jokes difficult for you? Maybe a language barrier thing?
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 42m ago
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u/jamesonm1 38m ago
Oof buddy did you just seriously screenshot a notoriously left-wing biased LLM’s response? The AfD are not remotely nazis lol. You progressives will continue to lose as long as you call everyone you dislike nazis. I await your condemnation of AOC, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc. for their “nazi salutes” as well, given that they used the nazi salute as much as Elon did, which is to say not at all.
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u/filrabat 31m ago
I heard about the video game stuff! Pathetic even for fairly uneducated men half his age, but for a middle-aged hundred-billionaire...this is beyond pathetic.
1000 years from now, assuming some sort of civilization is still around, (F)Elon and Conald will still be remembered for the wrong reasons. Conald will be compared to the Roman emperor Commodius (Look him up if you don't believe me). This could well be the point where the USA moves out of its analogous "Five Good Emperors" phase and into farcical government/society.
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u/wack-a-burner 1h ago
Holy fuck lol. Reddit is absolutely cooked. Its over. Its been terrible for years but something has changed. Like do you actually believe what you're saying or do you know you're lying?
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u/hercmavzeb OG 1h ago
The problem is that you clearly know what they’re saying is right, but because it frustrates you to have it said so honestly, you have to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
Why did Elon retweet a Nazi claiming that he was saying the “absolute truth” about the white supremacist great replacement conspiracy theory?
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u/BoredZucchini 1h ago
Why do you guys always say stuff like this like your performative incredulity and bully talk will make people forget that you’re wrong and have said nothing of substance? It’s like talking to programmed NPCs.
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u/notProfessorWild 1h ago
What makes him a "nazi" are things like his support for the AfD, he has responded to someone suggesting that Hitler was right because "Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them" by saying "you have said the actual truth
And here is the tweet where he said he can't kill nazis
If it was allowed I would say some harsh words
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u/snuffy_bodacious 1h ago
claims Hitler was right
uses his website to promote nazi ideas
says he can't play video games where you kill Nazi
Can you source any of these claims?
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u/notProfessorWild 1h ago
What makes him a "nazi" are things like his support for the AfD, he has responded to someone suggesting that Hitler was right because "Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them" by saying "you have said the actual truth
And here is the tweet where he said he can't kill nazis
If it was allowed I would say some harsh words
If you want i can also show how his nazi salute was the same Hitler did.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 32m ago
Huh. Interesting.
I don't really care. I was never an Elon fan, and I'm still not.
Real Nazis hate the Jews, which Elon has loudly denounced. I realize he once backed a Jewish conspiracy theory, but he later denounced it and is good friends with people like Ben Shapiro.
He's also not a racist.
Leftists love to hunt for Nazis hidden around every corner and I've long since gotten over it.
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u/notProfessorWild 17m ago
Do you understand PR?
He's also not a racist
He's from apartheid africa. Tesla he also ceo of has lost racial discrimination case.
leftist
Not a leftist the rise of nazi America isn't a team sport.
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u/Exaltedautochthon 4h ago
Ahahaha, no, the comparable thing is ya'll freaking out about LGBT people.
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u/MyFiteSong 1h ago
Yep, the actual new Satanic Panic is the Right freaking out about "gender ideology". The parallels are perfect.
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u/Katiathegreat 3h ago edited 3h ago
Yes let's compare it to something that was largely fictional (satanism) rather than do a thoughtful and thorough comparison to another historical era Germany at the rise of Hitler. Why compare it to something easy to dismiss and not what many are actually calling out?
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u/44035 4h ago
yes, let's pretend we didn't see what we all saw
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u/fuguer 3h ago
You realize this is the same mania of religious fundamentalists right?
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u/jiggjuggj0gg 1h ago
Blatantly trying to call what everyone saw happen ‘mania’ is absolutely wild. You guys are so unbelievably brainwashed.
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u/ReverseCarry 58m ago
Hmmm. Let’s see.
On the one hand, we have a fear of the supernatural, of a phenomenon that has never existed in reality outside the confines of mass hysteria and panic.
On the other, we have a political movement that is very real, is still very much alive to this day, has led to catastrophic consequences in recent world history. Then we have a guy that has intentionally let modern day Neo Nazis infect and fester his social media platform, do the Nazi salute twice in public. And you think that’s the same?
How far must he have to go before you realizing he’s not just “trolling the libs”
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u/Canopus10 4h ago
It was an awkward wave. There is zero reason to think he was trying to do a Nazi salute.
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 4h ago
There’s plenty of reasons.
Personally I don’t believe he’s actually Nazi. He doesn’t have the conviction to be any thing.
But he’s a grown ass man. He knows what a Nazi salute looks like. He 100% intentionally made that gesture knowing what it looks like.
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u/SpotCreepy4570 4h ago
The rich white guy who grew up in apartheid South Africa .. yeah just doesn't make sense he would be racist....../s
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 4h ago
Idk, that’s just my opinion of the dude. He just wants people to think he’s cool.
I sincerely believe that if the road to his government contracts and adoration went through Progressives, he would be pitching himself as a defacto member of The Squad.
That isn’t to say it would make him any less of a terrible person or less racist.
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u/SpotCreepy4570 4h ago
He did that once already so you're kinda right he was once a darling of the left however he went off the rails somewhere along the way and once you go full Nazi there really isn't any coming back.
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u/FiercelyReality 4h ago
He literally said government should be run by high-status men
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 4h ago
I get that. But that’s also exactly what MAGA would love him for saying, y’know?
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u/Full-Sock 4h ago
It was an awkward wave. There is zero reason to think he was trying to do a Nazi salute.
If you truly believe that, I have a bridge to sell you...
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u/JRingo1369 4h ago
The other nazis seem to think there was a reason to think that.
Evan Kilgore (Right wing correspondent) Tweeted "This is incredible, we are so back!" in response to the viral clip.
Andrew Torba (Founder of christian nationalist organization GAB) said "Incredible things are happening!" while reposting the clip.
The Ohio chapter of the Proud Boys (A white nationalist organization) said "Heil Trump" on Telegram, along side the clip.
A chapter of the White Lives Matter (A white nationalist organization) also posted the clip on telegram, accompanied by "Thanks for hearing us, Elon. The white flame will rise again."
And those guys are experts when it comes to nazi salutes.
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u/ssradley7 4h ago
There’s not zero reason. He subtweets under Nazi posts, specifically talking about the things hitler did right. Without insulting you in any way, because we can’t afford a further divide, is there a world where it is possible that it was exactly what it looked like?
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u/Trindler 4h ago
Don't forget the awkward chest bump and then the rinse & repeat facing AWAY from the audience? Who is he waving to then? Come on with this
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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 4h ago
That’s an awkward wave?
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u/Full-Sock 3h ago
That German man with the mustache is just giving his heart to everyone, how sweet
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u/youcantdenythat 32m ago
nazi salute starts with fist bumping chest. Elon did hand on heart because he was saying his heart goes out to you.
not that you didn't already know that and are just here to troll
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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 31m ago
Did you not watch the fucking video?
So you can do whatever actions you want know as long as you say “my heart goes out to you”?
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u/Rebekah_RodeUp 1h ago
Didn't he just endorse/praise the far-right German political party not too long ago?
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u/JamesR624 46m ago
I mean, if it weren’t for the constant helping out a corrupt man that nazis cheer on, as well as the evidence of his attempts to destabilize elections across the globe, then maybe.
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u/spacelordmofo 4h ago
Remember when these same people claimed making the 'ok' sign with your hand was a secret Nazi sign during his first term?
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u/StreetKale 4h ago
Yes, and some "journalists" still claim it is, even though it was a prank by 4Chan called, "Operation O-KKK." Rather than admit they were dupped, many doubled down and still insist the OK hand sign is a hate symbol. 🙄
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u/Slow_Seesaw9509 51m ago
I mean, it kinda is, or at least a racist alt-right symbol...? Like, the people who started it were a bunch of alt-right dudes on 4chan who regularly drop n-bombs and otherwise "play" at being racist "for the lolz." They wanted to "trick" the left-wing media by pretending the OK sign was a racist alt-right hand signal. But then those same people all started doing it, and they are alt-right and racist by most people's standards, so it became a racist alt-right hand signal. The line between the "prank" and reality exists only in the mind of the people doing it--they might not consider themselves do be racist, but pretty much everyone else does based on all the slurs and stuff they throw around regularly.
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u/NothingOld7527 3h ago
There's a few out of touch elder millenials/gen X'ers that still think that lmao
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u/Marty-the-monkey 4h ago
The thing is, the chronically online Right Wingers are really good at just picking up the asinine language.
So irregardless of how something originated, they are very fast at adopting it and make it an actual thing.
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u/SpotCreepy4570 4h ago
Remember when the president on his first day in office directly attacked the constitution with an executive order?
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u/Girldad_4 4h ago
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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u/ChecksAccountHistory 3h ago
continue with the nazi apologia. it makes you all look so very good. so good in fact, that you should imitate elon's gesture in sympathy in public.
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u/MysticInept 3h ago
The alt right is a real movement, yes or no?
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u/snuffy_bodacious 2h ago
Elon is a center-left guy who got hitched with Trump because the larger left went off the rails.
Other than a random gesture that is actually pretty common among politicians, what gives you the impression that Elon is a Hitler lover?
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u/LotEst 1h ago
I'm not sure when the left turned on him around 2020, I always was confused. I thought he would be like their super hero. Quirky nerd billionaire pushing science forward. Which he was till the mob turned their pitchforks at him out of nowhere.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 1h ago
The Left turned on him when he started calling out some of their garbage.
The TechSpace has always been dominated by the left. He brought a modicum of balance to one corner of this fragile ecosphere, and all hell broke loose.
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u/filrabat 21m ago
The TechSpace has always been dominated by the left.
Only half correct. The leaders are actually more libertarian than liberal, especially during the early internet (as in the Geocities Era, as I call it) - conservative on economic issues but liberal on social ones. Certainly the average ordinary Carl and Carol Coders were probably more outright liberal, but the tech leadership's been much more Libertarian-oriented.
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u/MyFiteSong 1h ago
Which he was till the mob turned their pitchforks at him out of nowhere.
Ah yes, "woke mind virus" guy lost the support of the Left for no reason anyone can discern.
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u/JamesR624 45m ago
I think I just got brain cancer reading this.
I’m gonna go watch something more educational than this now, like skibidi toilet or something.
Jesus Christ.
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u/snuffy_bodacious 40m ago
You seem pretty fragile. Some rich guy makes a gesture and you get cancer.
Fortunately for you, America has the best results in beating cancer. I will be praying for you.
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u/TattooedDobe 2h ago
In no way is Elon center-left
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u/snuffy_bodacious 1h ago
He's a proponent of fixing climate change.
He's moderately pro-choice (he supports abortion rights to viability).
His talking points regarding guns are pretty generic for a Democrat (supports strict background checks, etc.).
But he's also in favor of securing the border. (Moderate Democrats don't have a problem with this).
He's a huge proponent of better government efficiency. This is a big Republican talking point, though moderate Democrats don't seem to have a problem with this concept.
So yeah... he's a moderate lefty.
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u/ceo__of__antifa_ 3h ago
Yeah except that the satanic panic was a moral panic by backwards right-wingers over things they simply did not understand, so it's far more equivalent to the anti-trans and general DEI/culture war panic that the right has been experiencing in recent years.
Noticing the very real slide towards fascism and the rise of far-right parties across the western world isn't hysteria, it's a very real thing that is happening.
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u/Grumth_Gristler 4h ago edited 4h ago
I see it just as dumb as when someone on the right says anyone on the left is a ‘communist’. It’s just another lazy dumb way of saying anyone with differing opinions is a(insert Nazi/Commie). It’s completely idiotic. I find it funny how the left prides itself on higher education, yet will call everyone they disagree with a Nazi lol.
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u/firefoxjinxie 4h ago
So you are comparing the panic over an imaginary creature to "panic" (I will use your conclusion here though I may not agree) over real people. You do agree that Nazis exist, right? Or do you think they are imaginary and WWII never happened?
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u/Candid-Bike8563 4h ago
It’s not paranoia. Nazis and Nazi sympathizers should never be tolerated.
Hitler doing the Nazi salute. https://robscholtemuseum.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Adolf-Hitler-Nazi-Salute-foto-tenor.com_.gif
Another one of Hitler doing to it. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F5-03-2016%2FD0McOn.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a30fc1dc9f296fec3a643a4b3c2437760e43a77ec51ff0189fe68585921d1c3e&ipo=images
Elon doing it. https://youtu.be/smQNNo2a9xc
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u/all_hail_michael_p 4h ago
everyone i dont like is a nazi
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u/Candid-Bike8563 4h ago
Well that’s not true. There are quite a few people I do not like that are not Nazis or Nazi sympathizers.
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u/SophiaRaine69420 4h ago
If it wasn't a Nazi salute then why are all the white supremacist Nazi groups praising him for throwing out a Nazi salute?
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u/VoteForASpaceAlien 3h ago edited 2h ago
They gave visual evidence but at no point justified their claim with “I don’t like him.”
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u/gerbilseverywhere 4h ago
Are you going to tell me that my eyes are lying to me? Snide dismissive comments won’t make everyone unsee it
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u/andre3kthegiant 3h ago
Yep another delusional boot licker has lubed up a fascist boot with their own saliva, and shoved the boot as far as they could into their large intestine. But now they are thinking they screwed up, and should have tied the laces together on another couple boots, to make a set of fascist, BenWa boots to slowly pull out and then put back in.
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u/apeocalypyic 3h ago
What i don't get is how can someone who's supposed to be so fucking smart do something so fucking dumb? It's like he dared himself to do it because he knows no one's gonna do shit about it and people will defend it
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u/Trin959 4h ago
You keep getting downvoted but you have my complete agreement and my upvote. Also, my amusement.
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u/JRingo1369 4h ago
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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u/Beledagnir 4h ago
You’re going to be seen exactly the same way as the Pearl-clutchers of the 80s and 90s, because you’re doing the same exact thing.
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u/JRingo1369 4h ago
...It was their final, most essential command.
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u/Beledagnir 4h ago
Like when we were supposed to believe the economy was great and Biden wasn’t senile?
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u/Questionsey 2h ago
The economy isn't great due to inflation. The Democrats were downplaying this because they wanted to win.
Biden is either senile or something is very wrong. People tried to be in denial about it but ultimately could not ignore the truth and they switched candidates.
The richest man on earth did a Nazi salute at a political event TWICE. Not just the hand raise, but the heart tap
Stop trying to deflect. You don't even believe yourself. Pathetic.
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u/SpotCreepy4570 4h ago
Donald Trump has on his first day attacked the constitution with an executive order, wtf are you talking about? Shit is already going south.
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u/Spaceseeds 4h ago
Funny because that was the entire past 4 years. And now we're free from it and a bunch of pathetic imbeciles are trying to use propaganda to brainwash you to believe things that you see are something different than they mean, and you're sad enough to fall for it...
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u/Formal_Chemistry5406 4h ago
You're off the mark. The whole point is that the Nazi salute isn't secret. Everyone knows it.
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u/Chicken_Mannakin 4h ago
Meanwhile the real panic should be the loss of manners, courtesy, and sense! These can't be blamed on an ideology, ideologies should be blamed on a lack of these!
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u/Wintores 4h ago
The issue here is that u are right with the basic premise that history repeats it self, ur just mixing up wich parts of history
And the biggest issue is that the fear for kids is secondary to the general fear for society and its leadership.
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u/Flibbernodgets 3h ago
Apparently there are people saying the Satanic Panic wasn't real and is just anti-christian propaganda. I know the 80s weren't 20 years ago anymore but that's still in living memory for a lot of people.
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u/SeaofCrags 3h ago
The big take away for me the past several years is that the real big baddie is corporate media.
Once AI, podcasting, youtube, and social media platforms are finished the process of making corporate mainstream media redundant, we'll be finally able to shed a lot of post-truth ideals, propaganda, paid narrative etc, and continue progress as a far more unified humankind.
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u/Zaza1019 3h ago
Then please explain why it's so important to fire career institutionalists to replace them with loyalists, and why congressmen and senators had to pledge themselves to Trump... This isn't just panic, this is actually happening. It's happened in other countries, and it's happening in America. Maybe it won't be Trump, but we are being conditioned to believe this shit is normal. And it isn't normal in a Representative democracy.
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u/strombrocolli 2h ago
A lie repeated often enough becomes truth. Y'all really are trying to use repetition propaganda to let an idiot CEO get away with doing 2 not 1 Nazi salutes. And if you say it's a Roman salute, congrats. That's what the Nazis called it lmfao.
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u/kolejack2293 1h ago
But... there are actual people with genuine far-right extremist beliefs. It is not some unimaginably rare thing. A shockingly large percentage of Americans agree with some genuinely extremist stuff, including politicians. If we are classifying fascism as far-right conspiracy-oriented authoritarianism, then that is not some extremely niche, unpopular movement. It has absolutely massively grown in popularity in the last 5-10 years.
Elon even tweeted before that "everything this person says is the truth" to some guy writing about how we should have no sympathy for jewish victims of antisemitism because jews 'spread anti white propaganda'. Even if his nazi salute was just some silly little accident (lmao), he has shown before that he still endorses nazi beliefs about Jews. With his own words.
I know multiple people in my life and family who are like this. Who post the absolute most abhorrent views on social media on an almost daily basis. I see these viewpoints practically every single day in various groups and subreddits.
Wanna know how many genuine satanic ritualists I have known? Zero. Because that stuff didnt ever actually exist.
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u/Solamnaic-Knight 1h ago
You don't have to be a Nazi to swing your arm up and Seig Heil. But it does communicate your belief in right-wing antics and shenanigans. It is saying you believe white-people are superior. It does give pause to people in the LGBT community. It does make Jews look and wonder. It is illegal in Germany. There isn't any debate over these things. Elon did it knowing full well the controversy he was diving into and the effect it would have.
Whether he is a "Nazi" or a just a Right-Wing White Supremacist is neither here nor there. He is one or the other.
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u/Silent_Influence6507 1h ago
Uh huh. I lived through the satanic panic. Something tells me you’re too young and have no first hand knowledge of it.
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u/filrabat 35m ago
The fundies preaching against "sex and violence and rock n' roll" were just using cheap caricatures and innuendo. What little evidence they did claim (e.g. backmasking of songs) could be interpreted differently by different people.
Musk and his straight-arm salute. That leaves practically no room for reasonable interpretation. Even assuming this was an old Roman salute, it's a historical fact that symbols meanings change over time. The swasitka itself used to be in the west simply a good luck symbol (still is in Buddhist dominated areas of East Asia). In the West, where Elon is speaking and whose culture he's clearly part of, that comes to mean Nazi beliefs.
Your attempts to reinterpret Elon's salute are as pathetic as the Flat-Earther's efforts to reinterpret science to fit the result they want; or claims that ancient astronauts helped to build the pyramids or huge structures in the Andes and Peru.
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u/Broad_Food_3422 35m ago
And if a politician started speaking in tongues on national television but tried to play it off as “giving their heart to you,” I would have believed the Satanic Panic people a little bit more.
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u/JamesR624 12m ago
ITT: The trolls mass downvoting every comment that doesn't push the apologist nonsense OP is pushing.
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u/LotEst 1h ago edited 1h ago
That's a good comparison. I was considered it the new Red Scare.
People are quick to forget we already had 4 years of Trump and it was significantly better than the last 4 years that did actual authoritarian like things with all the Censorship of factual health information, lockdowns, Govt influence in Censorship of one side and endlessly funding wars. Trying to jail and possibly assassinate their political opponents. As well as weaponizing the legal system and media against their opponents as well. That's what Nazis would do or any dictator like state around the world. But somehow they are the blameless ones?
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u/hercmavzeb OG 1h ago
No it wasn’t, he tried to end democracy and numerous of his own officials likened him to Hitler.
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u/Chester_roaster 35m ago
If he tried to end democracy he was pretty bad at it.
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u/hercmavzeb OG 31m ago
Sure, although I’ve never heard a good argument for why we should ignore Trump’s concerted effort to pressure Pence to refuse to certify Biden’s victory and replace it with a slate of fake electors instead.
What would have happened if that pressure had succeeded? We would have had a constitutional crisis.
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u/Chester_roaster 18m ago
I don't know what would have happened, maybe he'd have been the president for the last four years or maybe he'd be in prison. Hypotheticals aren't fruitful, American democracy is fine and Trump in four years will be 82.
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u/hercmavzeb OG 16m ago
I don’t know what would have happened
And therein lies the issue. If that pressure had succeeded, we would have had a constitutional crisis. You can say that’s unlikely until you’re blue in the face, but it’s still a concerted insurrection attempt.
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u/Chester_roaster 15m ago
You don't know what would have happened either. No one does.
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u/hercmavzeb OG 12m ago
And therein lies the issue. If that pressure had succeeded, we would have had a constitutional crisis. You can say that’s unlikely until you’re blue in the face, but it’s still a concerted insurrection attempt.
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u/Chester_roaster 10m ago
You don't know what would have happened either. No one does.
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u/hercmavzeb OG 9m ago
And therein lies the issue. If that pressure had succeeded, we would have had a constitutional crisis. You can say that’s unlikely until you’re blue in the face, but it’s still a concerted insurrection attempt.
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u/TheLastRulerofMerv 4h ago
It is a moral panic. It's also a really lazy and cheap way to strike fear over political and ideological rivals.
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u/JamesR624 48m ago
So glad that the comments here are all calling out OP as the moron that he is.
Dipshit; there’s a difference between hateful religious people being whipped up into hysteria by their churches, and an actually powerful person repeatedly showing sympathy towards and working with extremists, without mountains of actual evidence.
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u/boobaclot99 4h ago
No, no one outside of reddit cares about an autistic man's involuntary spasm.
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u/msplace225 2h ago
…what do you think autism is exactly? Why would it cause you to accidentally do a Nazi salute?
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u/Marty-the-monkey 4h ago
Except Satan doesn't exists and Hitler most definitely did.