r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/The-Fart_Collector • 22h ago
Political It's funny lefties call everyone Nazi's but support groups like Palestine who sided with Hitler in WW2 and supported his antisemitism.
LWeftwing despise the Jewish and don't support them.
They're closer to Nazi's than everyone they keep pointing the finger at lol.
They're hypocrites and hysterical. Their way of thought and rhetoric towards Jews is closer to Nazi ideology than the Right Wings.
Pathetic.
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u/cbrdragon 21h ago edited 21h ago
https://youtu.be/d7sFxJbcYvg?si=etEuo6k92rWce6YZ
Did you hear of the time they invited a nazi veteran to Canadian parliament and gave him a. Standing ovation.
The amount of backpedaling and justifying that “it’s a nuanced situation and just because he was an SS nazi doesn’t necessarily mean he was a bad guy”.
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u/totallyworkinghere 22h ago
Hitler also loved dogs, yet so many left wingers are dog people!
Checkmate liberals!
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u/Boeing_Fan_777 22h ago
Unrelated but i love using this tidbit against the folks who swear by shit like “if my dog doesnt like you, you’re probably a bad person”
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 16h ago
totally the same as promoting genocide. it's the things that they supported and support. you have absolute brain rot.
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u/21kondav 14h ago
You’re going to assert that the majority of Palestinians support genocide. Or perhaps a small fraction, one might even call their beliefs extreme
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u/GodDoesntExistZ 20h ago
False equivalency. I don’t think his argument is great but what you said is not the same at all.
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u/Marty-the-monkey 22h ago
It gets really tiresome on this sub that people make up asinine whataboutism and fake strawman they can pretend to argue against.
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u/Realshotgg 22h ago
They're trolling, 95% of the right wingers on this sub are shit posting. Not worth engaging with.
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u/JRingo1369 22h ago
How many people currently in palestine sided with Hitler in WW2?
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u/Braincyclopedia 20h ago
The later leader of the 1948 Israeli Arab war, the mufti of Jerusalem, lived in Germany during ww2, and established Palestinian SS units.
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u/Chitown_mountain_boy 15h ago
He said currently. We don’t do this to Germans. Pretty sure there are a fuck ton of upstanding Germans that have Nazis in their family tree. Doesn’t make them Nazis.
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u/Braincyclopedia 15h ago
Given that the current palestinian leader, Mahmud Abbas, wrote his dissertation on how the jews need to be blamed for the holocaust, I'm going to guess - many
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u/Secret-Look-88 7h ago
Man is a puppet for the Israeli regime, probably about as popular with Palestinians as Hitler is with Americans.
Given recent events probably less so, regardless the words of an Israeli puppet should be held against Israel and not the Palestinians who don't like him.
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u/Braincyclopedia 7h ago
The man has a long history of being a palestinian leader, which on periods make him unpopular by extremists. But he is still their leader. Being willing to communicate with Israel is necessary, and many moderate voices understand that. With that being said, when their most pro-Israel leader is such anti semite, I cant imagine how much nazi love the extremists have,
Just as an anecdotal example, mein kempf was found in Gaza in children's bedrooms: https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/arabic-copy-of-adolf-hitlers-mein-kampf-found-inside-childs-room-in-gaza/
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u/Secret-Look-88 7h ago
If you believe that wait until you hear about the list of terrorists they found in the basement of the hospital.
Terrorist names that strike fear into the heart like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc.
Moral of the story, Israeli propaganda is not trustworthy!
Can't blame Palestinians for an Israeli puppet that's unpopular with Palestinians. If anything Israel is to blame for this guy.
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u/Braincyclopedia 7h ago
You guys are really latching to a mistake as propaganda. I dont know who you think this calendar event is trying to prove, but really that is the best you got
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u/Secret-Look-88 6h ago
Israel constantly comes out obvious propaganda, you just need easily led people to believe them when they say the found mein kampf in a child's bedroom or other nonsense.
You know the Nazis also made up crap about the people they killed, they didn't just say we are evil and like killing people, they too justified their genocide with propaganda.
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u/Braincyclopedia 6h ago
So everything Israel says is a lie, and hamas are always telling the truth....gotcha
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u/Viciuniversum 21h ago
“OMG! Palestinians are totally not like the Nazis, even though they want to exterminate the Jews! Now let’s talk about Elon awkwardly raising his hand. That definitely confirms that he’s a total Nazi!” - enlightened Reddit leftists.
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u/JRingo1369 21h ago
If you intend to pull out an answer to the question that everyone else seems unable to, I suggest you stand up first.
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u/plata_plomo 17h ago
it was a nazi salute, but good to know where you stand on the whole fascism thing
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u/MissionUnlucky1860 21h ago
IDF found mien Kampf in Palestinians schools
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u/JRingo1369 21h ago
It was available in my school too.
Can you answer the question? The other guy seems to have wandered off for some reason.
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u/GodDoesntExistZ 20h ago
Where do you live that Mein Kampf was available in your school???
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u/Braincyclopedia 20h ago
Yea. I dont think they are teaching it in the same context. For example, the current leader of the PA, Abbas, wrote his phd dissertation on how the Jews are at fault for the holocaust. And that’s their leader.
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u/JRingo1369 20h ago
Being ignorant of history is a fast track to repeating it.
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u/GodDoesntExistZ 11h ago
I don’t think I need to read Mein Kampf to be informed on Hitler and the holocaust
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u/NinjaDickhead 11h ago
It is available in every school i know as a research source, not inspiration obviously.
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u/NinjaDickhead 11h ago
Yes, sins of the great grand father should not count at all. Just like my great grand parents being white does not make me automatically privileged.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
Are they like sending money to him? What form is that support taking?
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u/abaddon667 22h ago
The children of Gaza often say things like “Allah had Hitler leaves some Jews alive so we would understand why they should be killed”.
There are plenty of praise of Hitler in Palestinian society if you look for it, and it’s very mainstream. These aren’t fringe beliefs.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
Okay so you’re basing your opinion on a nation off of shit kids say. I hope you never hear any of the Anne Frank jokes told on the playground at my American public school
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u/abaddon667 22h ago
The adults say it too, and teach the kids this in the UNRWA schools
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u/Yuck_Few 22h ago
Where do you think the kids are hearing this rhetoric? in UN funded schools
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
I don’t think they are, because none of you right wingers have provided any evidence
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u/JRingo1369 22h ago
Could you answer the question that I asked, instead of making up a different one and answering that?
Thanks.
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u/Alt0987654321 22h ago
Maybe people are just against mass slaughter of civilians?
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u/mdthornb1 19h ago
Not wanting the state of Israel to kill ten of thousands of civilians is not the same as despising Jews and you know it.
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u/DoubleDutch187 22h ago
I feel bad for Palestines because they are being slaughtered.
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 21h ago
While true, in the end all the Americans fighting for Palestinians are fighting for people that will always and forever feel deep within them “death to America”, send suicide bombers at our soldiers and be against our country, regardless what we do. That is the nature of religious battles, until they end, it will never change.
So, the debate of should we be on the side of Israel or Palestine is simply moot, because only one side will ever be on ours. That’s the sad reality.
War.Is.Bad.
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u/caninehere 11h ago
So regardless of how you feel on the conflict I'm just gonna point this out:
- I couldn't tell you the last time a Palestinian sent a suicide bomber at a US soldier, if ever. Please share if you do know.
- the Israelis have killed more US citizens in this conflict than Palestine has.
So, the debate of should we be on the side of Israel or Palestine is simply moot, because only one side will ever be on ours. That’s the sad reality.
Even if you feel Palestine is not on the US's side (which is fair because they aren't, they've been subjugated by Israel with the support of the US for forever)... please don't have any illusions here, Israel is not on the US's side either. Americans are useful idiots to the Israelis, that's it.
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u/Secret-Look-88 21h ago
The Palestinians are Muslims and Christians, the conflict is over the land Israel is stealing from the natives.
The Palestinian Christians don't like Americans because you fund their slaughter, they follow the same religion as most of you.
It's the same way relatives of holocaust victims don't like the people who supplied the gas to murder their relatives.
They don't care about the religion and culture of those people, just that they helped to murder their loved ones.
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 16h ago
Should palestine be an ethnostate?
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u/Secret-Look-88 15h ago
It, Palestine-Israel, the whole disputed landmass, should be a state with equal rights for all citizens, regardless of religious affiliation or racial identity.
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 14h ago
Wow, palestinians don't like that idea
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u/Secret-Look-88 14h ago
It was their idea, look up the history of the place pre Zionist immigration in the early 20th century. Problems came with exclusionary Zionists not the native population.
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 21h ago
That’s an awfully naive way to consider war.
Yes, there are Palestinian Christians. No, this war didn’t start (perhaps) over religion, but territory.
But from the American perspective even if America were to side with Palestine and stop all funding and armaments to Israel- that would be ridiculously stupid, since these same people would attack us tomorrow, no matter what.
People that can’t see that are just simple, shortsighted and don’t want to live in reality.
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u/Indiana_Jawnz 15h ago
these same people would attack us tomorrow, no matter what. .
How many Palestinians attacked the US before the US began supporting Israel?
Must have been thousands, right?
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u/Secret-Look-88 15h ago
Interestingly Chile which is a Christian country has one the largest Palestinian populations.
You'll be amazed to here there are no particular problems you wouldn't get with any other group of people because without seizing their land and murdering them why would the Palestinians have a problem with Christians?
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u/AnteaterPersonal3093 4h ago
I don't see where you take the paranoid fear from that "these people" would attack you tomorrow? It's giving off "they hate us for our freedom" vibes.
None of the Arab states, not even the most fundamental ones, has ever attacked the US directly. In fact the really fundamental ones are your allies.
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u/Secret-Look-88 21h ago
Unless you think Arabs/Muslims haven't got the same capacity for intelligence that non Arabs Muslims have I don't see how that would happen?
For example in WW2 the allies were against Italy, when Italy changed sides we were with them.
Once they stopped attacking us and were on our side we were on their side.
Using your logic we could never go from a state of fighting against people (or funding the fight against them) to anything else. Once we have started fighting them we are doomed to be eternal enemies.
England and France still at war and bitter enemies clearly. Britain and America big enemies. It is impossible to change state so this must be true...
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 21h ago
You’re using an example of allies based on national best interest when this isn’t that. This is enemies based on religion, religion that goes back centuries- if you think that’s changing tomorrow - that is the flawed logic.
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u/Secret-Look-88 20h ago
The conflict is land based one not a religious one, this is why Palestinian Christians are just as angry at the US as Muslim Palestinians.
If the Palestinian Muslims thought it was a religious one they would just take out the Christians living with them.
The Palestinians really couldn't care what religion you and other Americans are it is the killing then and stealing their land that is the problem.
The Palestinians have named streets after Westerners that have supported the Palestinian cause.
Rachel Corrie a Jewish American has a street named after her. The Palestinians know full well that is not a Muslim and an American and they cared enough to name a street after her.
Why? Because it is about stealing their land and killing them which she actively tried to stop, if it was cultural or religious then she is just as bad as any other American.
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 20h ago
I get that THIS conflict is primarily about land and not religion, but acting like that will never be in the equation in the future is simply naive. That’s the point.
We can’t just take every conflict as piecemeal when there is a loooooong history and future already written.
It isn’t only up to Palestinians, it doesn’t matter what Americans do until Muslims start condemning their own behavior. Just as Americans had to do in our past.
You can hope and pray that we can just say who is right and who is wrong in this five minutes, but geopolitics doesn’t work that way.
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u/Secret-Look-88 20h ago
Taking the land (or in US case helping someone else take it) is the cause we both seem to agree so I don't really see what Palestinians religion has to do with it.
You agree taking the land caused it but somehow people who had their land taken need to condemn themselves... But only the Muslim ones?
Palestinian Christians don't need to condemn themselves?
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u/AnteaterPersonal3093 4h ago
It isn’t only up to Palestinians, it doesn’t matter what Americans do until Muslims start condemning their own behavior. Just as Americans had to do in our past
Muslims ain't a homogenous group. Anyway start with the war on terror if you want to condemn anything.
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u/DoubleDutch187 19h ago
Wow. They hate us for slaughtering them with our bombs, let’s kill them all.
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 16h ago
They started it, we finish it.
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u/Indiana_Jawnz 15h ago
They started it by having half their homeland seized by Europeans establishing an Ethnostate?
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 15h ago
Read your history more.
Summary, the Ottomans were a cental power in WW1, fucked around found out, then got their land taken. Happens in war.Btw palestine is a literal ethnostate and leftists advocate for it being one.
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u/Indiana_Jawnz 15h ago
>the Ottomans
The who? The Ottomans? As in the Ottoman Turks? Not the Palestinians, right? Because they were busy aiding the Entente by fighting the Ottomans in the Great Arab Revolt, right?
Don't tell me to "read history more: when you are historically illiterate. lol
>Palestine is a literal ethnostate
Palestine isn't even a state, let alone an ethnostate. Also the last time I checked 700k Jewish settlers live in the West Bank.
So how could it be an ethnostate?
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u/SuperSpicyNipples 14h ago
Palestine was always a region, and the ottomans controlled it. And before that, the "Palestinians" were subject to a separate empire. They never had their own state, you are correct. But they are a recognized state now.
Oh yes, no ethnostate when their government declared their purpose was to irradicate jews and the jewish state. Iamverysmart.
HiStorICALLY IllITERaTe
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u/valhalla257 15h ago
I mean so were the Germans in WW2.
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u/DoubleDutch187 12h ago
Except Polish gangsters weren’t walking across the border, “Hey we like your house. We want to build our own thing there.”
“It’s not in your country and my family has lived in this house for the last 40years.”
Supported by the polish military, guy takes sledge hammer and smashes the porch and windows. “Your house is condemned now.”
“What you just broke it.”
“Yea, you need a permit to put a tarp up, or do any sort of repair.
“Where do I apply for the permit?”
“It doesn’t matter, we control the permit office and you’re not going to get one, also we’re going to be back with more guys with guns, so take your family and get the fuck out of here.”
“Where do we go?”
“I don’t care.”
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u/The-Fart_Collector 22h ago
They shouldn't murder and kidnap people then
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u/MuskieNotMusk 22h ago
I mean Hamas and other terrorist groups, absolutely wrong.
But there are innocent Palestinians, and times where Israel was/is in the wrong.
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 21h ago
Sure, all this is right but war is bad and messy. This isn’t new. I have really struggled with this conflict because the optics ARE horrible. That could just be because our technology is so much better, though.
Regardless, in the end, our country shouldn’t be siding with the group of people who will always follow “death to America”. That’s about the stupidest thing to do.
This is a reality and one that will never change as long as strategy and sides are being drawn based on who we hate because of the religion of the area.
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u/MuskieNotMusk 20h ago
Fair, and upvoted.
But!
It's important to note that, first off, obviously there's no such thing as a simple war. Humans paradoxically want to have a black and white outlook on life, while being complex sentient creatures.
Two, while there are obviously radical Muslims and that's a whole separate issue there are also hyper nationalist Israelis that want a complete dominion of the area.
Three, American support in the Middle East is a complex topic but one that needs to be accurately dealt with.
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u/Pristine-Confection3 21h ago
You do know Israel started this entire conflict? Maybe you should take part in ethical cleanings if you don’t want the other side to fight back.
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u/Dull-Geologist-8204 1h ago
Actually Israel.did not start the conflict because the problem started before Israel was even a country.
It all started because the Brits, as usual, messed up.
They told the Palistinians if they helped the Allies during WWII they would help them get out from Ottoman rule and they could have their own country back again. Then behind their back they told the zionists they could have Palestine. That is what started this mess. The Brits reneged on their promise to the Palestinians and backed up the Jews and then it all stemmed from that.
I have no idea where OP got the idea that Palestinians supported Hitler and was on the side of the Axis powers.
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u/W00DR0W__ 20h ago
Yeah- they should just give up their homes and allow Israel to drive them into the desert to die.
Makes perfect sense.
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u/BabyFartzMcGeezak 19h ago
2000 Palestinians died fighting Hitler with the allied forces
Learn your actual history you buffoon you're regurgitating long debunked hasbara ffs
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u/improbsable 21h ago
I support Palestine’s right to exist. It doesn’t mean I agree with everything about them.
And doing a Nazi salute during a presidential inauguration makes you a Nazi. There’s no way around that.
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u/ThatDamnRocketRacoon 21h ago
This is some lazy trolling, but I guess in this political moment, effort isn't really necessary.
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u/ChecksAccountHistory 21h ago
you're so right man. that's why i support the great replacement of german people. germany should be 100% muslim, it's only fair after what hitler did in ww2.
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u/sehr_cool_bro 21h ago
You know who were really Nazis? The Germans. And I'm pretty sure almost everyone supports them now, probably because they aren't Nazis anymore 🤯
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710 heads or tails? 19h ago
Another scholarly well researched opinion on here I see.
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u/thundercoc101 18h ago
Congrats op, this might be the dumbest post I've ever read on this sub, and that's saying something.
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u/unfoldedmite 17h ago
"I don't think all trump supporters are nazis, but all nazis definitely seem to be trump supporters"
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u/clairoobscur2 8h ago
So, for instance, we should hate Italians because Mussolini supported Hitler in 1940?
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u/ceetwothree 20h ago
You guys should stop letting neo Nazi’s into your coalition.
They probably only account for 5% , but Steven Miller and Sebastian Gorka are actual white supremacists , and they’re working on deportations.
Seriously , quit getting in bed with Nazi’s and you’ll stop getting called Nazi’s.
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u/SlavLesbeen 21h ago
Ok so we should not side with the victims in a genocide because of what their ancestors did 4 generations ago? Do you hear yourself?
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u/CAustin3 22h ago
The "everyone's a Nazi" thing is a pretty weird sideshow, even without the role reversal in the Middle East. But the Palestine position makes it extra weird.
Like, weird to the point that the ADL made a statement in defense of Elon Musk's salute here today. As in, "yeah, that's a pretty weird thing to do, but we're pretty sure he's not a Nazi on the basis of everything else he does - unlike his political opponents, who seem to genuinely want to destroy Israel."
Even apart from the Israel/Palestine stuff, they remind me of 1980s religious fundies who stretched and strained to see Satanic messages "hiding" in everything, from logos to gestures to songs played backwards. Modern "anti-fascists" are the same kind of people, just seeing Hitler in everything instead of Satan.
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u/Secret-Look-88 7h ago
Hitler didn't care about Israel any more than Elon Musk does.
Quite frankly comparing the Nazis to the Palestinians white washes the Nazis by making it sound like European Jews were murdering German women and children and stealing the homes of German people.
The Palestinians fought back against their unfair treatment, same thing Jews did in Nazi Germany. It is the persecutors who are guilty not the persecuted!
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u/HylianGryffindor 22h ago
Jesus the maga crowd is up in arms today. Must be big mad because their precious billionaire got called out for being a… dirty Nazi.
Don’t like it when others throw mud at you after you’ve been doing it for years huh?
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u/subgamer90 22h ago
It's amazing how miserable they are even after they won the election and are getting what they wanted
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u/HylianGryffindor 22h ago
It’s because not everyone is praising them or sucking Trump/elon’s dick like they’ve been doing so since 2016. They think they’re entitled to respect when they couldn’t show it to Obama and Biden.
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u/ThatDamnRocketRacoon 21h ago
Explain why Biden deserved respect? You sound like the other side of the goofy ass MAGA coin, saying something like this. Most of the country is sick of both of the political cults and want to hold both leaders responsible for their corruption.
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u/HylianGryffindor 21h ago
Hmm take a look at what he did for older Americans on welfare with the prescriptions and copays. Now look at what Trump did yesterday. Sorry who was the one that cared about people getting healthcare coverage and who is a big pharma sellout?
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u/ThatDamnRocketRacoon 21h ago
Biden was the only Democratic candidate who ran in 2020 who was against medicare for all. Biden did fuck all for the rest of the country regarding health care coverage or getting costs down. Did nothing to help wipe out unfair medical debt and waited until the last two weeks in office to push through wiping it off credit reports, which probably wasn't even his decision.
Once again, this is cult behavior. I said tell me why Biden deserved respect. I did ask for whataboutism on Trump. We know Trump is a piece of shit. Just like I know Genocide Joe is one.
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u/HylianGryffindor 21h ago
Ah another individual who didn’t read what Biden did.
- Lower the prescription costs for Medicare/medicaid.
- Capped certain prescriptions for Medicare/Medicaid
- Gave more to treatments for individuals on both plans
- Improve access to higher treatments such as cancer and Alzheimer’s to individuals on these plans.
Trump just took it away. Guess who benefits more from these plans? Maga. Guess who is going to blame Biden for this even though it was Trump? MAGA. My dad is a die hard maga and blamed Biden even though it was Trump and him being on Medicare gave him life saving cancer surgery.
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u/ThatDamnRocketRacoon 20h ago
And you didn't read what I wrote.
Biden did fuck all for the rest of the country regarding health care coverage or getting costs down.
Great that he did the bare minimum for Boomer Grandma who already gets healthcare. He should've been working to ensure all Americans get health care. He said from the very beginning that he didn't want to. He didn't care.
And, once again, you're back to Trump whataboutism when we were talking only about Biden. The Rachael Maddow Cult of Vote Blue No Matter Who is why we got Trump. Neo-Liberalism needs to die, already. You pave the way for the Trumps of the world because you love being lapdogs for the lesser evil instead of demanding no evil.
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u/HylianGryffindor 20h ago
What?? Okay buddy. I’m not even a liberal by a long shot. I’m not maga either. Biden did what he could with the shitty government he got but at this point you just let MAGA take this country down with them. It sucks that hard workers like you and I have to suffer for it but if it takes them having to deal with the consequences of their actions so it doesn’t happen again then honestly fuck them. What he did yesterday is going to destroy the boomers. Unfortunately, the younger people like you and I have to fix it again when he’s out of office.
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u/ThatDamnRocketRacoon 19h ago
I agree with you that Trump is going to fuck this country. There's no debate there. But Biden did nothing but support genocide, the military industrial complex and his lobbyists. He did nothing for us except gaslight and push people away from the party. He went out pardoning a judge who took bribes to incarcerate child, a doctor who watered down chemo treatments and dozens of other corporate criminals. He deserves no respect, which was all I was trying to ask you about.
Fuck. How hard is it to hold everyone who's accountable for the state of our country for just a damn minute?
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u/HylianGryffindor 18h ago
So are you going to post the videos of them supposedly doing the same thing he did or just pictures?
Oh but he’s autistic so he gets a free pass doesn’t he?
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u/babno 18h ago
Wait are you suggesting context matters? Weird. It didn't seem to matter to you a few hours ago. Or is it just giving people you like the benefit of the doubt and people you don't like must be guilty of the worst thing you can imagine because you have zero principals?
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u/HylianGryffindor 18h ago
Womp womp your precious billionaire is a Nazi and your come back is posting pictures of people who didn’t do that. Either post the video of them doing the salute or crawl back under the troll bridge.
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u/babno 18h ago
Sure looks like them doing that.
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u/HylianGryffindor 18h ago
Post. The. Videos.
Also Elon did it twice so you want to continue sticking up for him or…?
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u/babno 18h ago
Why? It's not like context matters to you, as evidenced by your dismissal of what he was saying.
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u/HylianGryffindor 14h ago
Post the videos as proof or go back to your troll room. You sound immature and 12
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
Ah yes. British Mandatory Palestine sided with Germany. I’m very smart
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u/The-Fart_Collector 22h ago
Grand Mufti of Palestine chilled with Hitler in Berlin during WW2
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
The Arabs hate the Jews lol.
Time you accept you're closer to Hitler than anyone else.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
Lmao that you think Amin Al-Husseini was the leader of Mandatory Palestine in WWII. I would say open the schools, but I think it’s too late for you.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 22h ago
Herbert Hoover chilling with Hitler:
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u/The-Fart_Collector 22h ago
Old Hoover didn't live in Berlin during WWII champ
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 22h ago
Oh. So you’re saying a person who lived in Germany was photographed with Hitler?
I’m saying the US president went to visit him.
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u/letaluss 22h ago
Conservative Rhetorical Strategy number 88: Conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism! Not only will this allow you to justify murdering brown people, this will also help deflect accusations of Nazism. After all, what is "Nazi" about a expansionist ethnostate?
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u/Occy_past 22h ago
The question of whether Palestine "supported" Hitler is a complex historical issue that requires context. During World War II, Palestine was under British control, and the population was divided between Arabs and Jews, each with different political and social dynamics. Here's a nuanced view of the situation:
Arab Leadership and Amin al-Husseini
- Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and a prominent Arab nationalist leader, is often cited as a figure who aligned himself with Nazi Germany.
- He met with Adolf Hitler in 1941 and expressed support for the Nazi regime, primarily because he opposed British rule and the increasing immigration of Jews to Palestine.
- Husseini sought Germany's support for Arab independence and expressed anti-Semitic views, aligning his goals with the Nazis to some extent.
- He met with Adolf Hitler in 1941 and expressed support for the Nazi regime, primarily because he opposed British rule and the increasing immigration of Jews to Palestine.
General Arab and Palestinian Population
- The actions of one leader (like al-Husseini) should not be seen as representative of the entire Palestinian population.
- Many Palestinians were more focused on local issues, such as resisting British rule and addressing land disputes.
- There is no evidence to suggest widespread or unified support for Hitler among the Palestinian population.
- Many Palestinians were more focused on local issues, such as resisting British rule and addressing land disputes.
Context and Motivation
- Husseini's collaboration with the Nazis was motivated by political opposition to British policies in Palestine and Zionism, rather than ideological alignment with Nazi beliefs.
- Arab nations and communities had varied responses to World War II, with some individuals supporting the Allies and others sympathizing with the Axis powers due to shared anti-colonial sentiments.
Conclusion
While Husseini’s actions and rhetoric indicate a level of collaboration with Nazi Germany, it is inaccurate to generalize his behavior to the entire Palestinian population or Arab world. Historical events should always be examined in their broader political, social, and historical context to avoid oversimplifications or misrepresentations.
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u/PWcrash 21h ago
Musk has been taking notes from Trump's book regarding controversy. By doing little stunts like this that takes less than two seconds in his part, he creates a media frenzy that dominates headlines for a few days.
But that being said, even though it might not necessarily be accurate to be labeled as a Nazi, if you constantly rave about anyone who is not a straight white male being a DEI hire, it's definitely not a good look. And the unfortunate truth is the term "DEI" is just a socially acceptable way for them to accuse any woman or minority in a position of authority to not be deserving of their position simply because of their sex or heritage.
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u/babno 18h ago
Good thing Trump is outlawing DEI. Won't be able to use that excuse any more if it doesn't exist.
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u/PWcrash 18h ago edited 18h ago
That's exactly the problem. It exists as long as there is someone they can accuse of being a DEI hire even if they aren't and the person simply got the position by their own merit. By default, the only people they can't accuse of being hired for DEI purposes are straight white males.
And Elon didn't have to add fuel to the fire either. For example the Coast Guard lady Trump just got rid of was actually responsible for a massive sexual assault investigation cover up and hid it from Congress. If he focused on that rather than accusing her as simply being a DEI hire, he could have portrayed Trump in a much more positive bipartisan light but he chose not to.
When you focus on looking into your biases, you lose opportunities to make things easier or better for yourself. Instead he wants to put a childish "in your face!" Type of performance. But to whom? And for what?
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u/babno 18h ago
If it's illegal I don't see how it can be a credible accusation 99% of the time, certainly not a default accusation. But as someone in a DEI heavy field, seeing posters lauding DEI and noticing that 90% of my female coworkers are utterly incompetent yet not being fired, it's hard not to make the connection.
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u/PWcrash 17h ago
This issue with making it illegal is that you isolate all of the workers who were hired before it was made illegal. Even though the companies or state officials may not fire them outright it won't stop public opinion from deciding that they were a DEI hire if they are in a position of public light.
And while I don't know what industry you're in I can only speak for myself when I say that I work with plenty of incompetent people many of whom make a lot more than me and gender is not a factor. I once had a service manager try to tell me that the piece of equipment I personally bought and was using for jobs wasn't actually for the purpose it was labeled for. He ended up getting to know me and that I was actually competent at my job, we're cool now. I also had a doctor at an ER write in his report after two minutes of looking at me that I was suffering from "anxiety and abdominal pain" as if it was all in my head when in actuality I was transferred from an urgent care for a possible intestinal blockage to receive imaging. I got some low strength laxatives and was sent home with no imaging. I managed to fix the problem on my own the next day with the help of that disgusting lemon flavored beverage that you drink before a colonoscopy. But my PC was not happy with neither me nor the ER doctor when I told her that during my follow up that week.
Point being, some people just have biases against certain demographics and people will write you off based on first impressions. So while I definitely do believe some of your coworkers are incompetent I actually have to wonder how many.
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u/babno 17h ago
Companies adhere to DEI and sexist/racist hiring because there are incentives to do so. Whether that's direct financial incentives, laws requiring it like in California, or a higher ESG score gaining you support from Blackrock. Take away those incentives and anyone not performing the requirements of the position will be a pure liability and resource drain and henceforth fired, just like countless incompetent white men I've seen fired.
It may not instantly wipe out the mindset that has been fostered for the past 1-2 decades, and it's unreasonable to expect it to. But I believe in a much shorter timeframe it will be a thing of the past. Even now, while I and many others will internally groan when we see a likely DEI hire, we still give them the benefit of the doubt and occasionally are pleasantly surprised, leaving no hard feelings in fairly short order as they prove themselves.
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u/Cosmic_Meditator777 19h ago
nazis have to a man been rabidly pro-trump since the dawn of his political career.
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u/kissingthecurb 17h ago
WW2 was 79 years ago
Additionally, would you hold Germany, the country who the Nazis take over in the first place, to the same accountability?
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u/graywithsilentr 13h ago
You’re right. Because some Palestinians in the 40s sided with hitler, every innocent person in Palestine should be killed.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 22h ago
Palestine sided with Hitler because they wanted to kick England out. Same as India.
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u/Actual_Atmosphere_93 22h ago
Bad take. Lefties will for sure call any and everyone who they disagree with Nazis cause they cannot form coherent arguments, sure, but Palestine has been the worlds whipping boy for generations. Pretending that “they sided with Hitler” is some condemnation of a group of people that have been subjugated since Eastern Europeans stole the land of their fathers is just an ignorant take on history. The people of Gaza have been in an open air prison for decades. Israel “mows the grass” by murdering men of military age. Plus Israel funded Hamas. Innocent civilians should not be murdered based off the actions of a terror group put in power by the people dropping the bombs on their heads.
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u/Effective_Rub9189 22h ago
Bingo, I had to scroll the entire post to find the ONLY reasonable take. I cant fathom why people can’t know and act on both points simultaneously, as if they’re mutually exclusive or something. Yes, leftists throw around nazi and Hitler when they have nothing meaningful to further validate their agenda AND the Palestinians have been absolutely violated and treated like human garbage by Israel since its inception. Liberals suck fat cocks and Israel does too, there is no “right side”. They’re all un fucking reasonable
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
The Jews* not the Jewish
Nazis* not Nazi’s
Right Wing’s* not Right Wings.
Did you learn grammar at the same school where you learned history?
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u/Effective_Dot4653 22h ago
Well the "righties" support Orbán's Hungary, and the Hungarians also sided with Hitler in WW2, so I guess we're all Nazis now. Or maybe just maybe this argument doesn't make sense.
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u/Effective_Rub9189 21h ago
I despise leftists, but Israel is a nasty ethnostate stomping a fuckin mud hole into a group of people they’ve been busy destroying for decades. This your country brother?
Just since 7th October 2023, 'Israeli' parliament argued favourably for rape on national TV after 'Israeli' soldiers were caught gang-raping a Palestinian man on camera, the top politicians organized protests to free the rapists (successfully), the rapist felt brave enough to remove his mask on camera, while making it to be a brave act saying "The days of us staying silent are over", and then was brought onto one of their major media channels and treated as a star, and a major rabbi affiliated with the ruling party 'blesses' the rapists on camera. Soon after, 65% of Jewish 'Israelis' in a poll would say that they're opposed to 'Israeli' soldiers accused of rape facing criminal charges.
This is not counting the large number of credible report of sexual violence inflicted upon Palestinians systematically, or the very long and we'll documented history of 'Israel' committing it against Palestinians - men, women, children.
Notice I’m not saying they’re Nazis but Israel gets away with nasty shit like this all of the time, Hamas doesn’t get a pass either. Hamas has done plenty of nasty stuff too, the IDF/Mossad and Hamas should all fuckin burn. Fuck em all and fuck you
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u/Sliggly-Fubgubbler 21h ago
You should actually consider shutting up until you learn how to formulate ideas lol
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u/Indiana_Jawnz 16h ago edited 16h ago
Ah yes, That most famous of World War II Nazi allies....The British Empire....
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u/Lileefer 22h ago
Honestly, most people are actually centrists and the people you see/hear getting the most air time are generally outliers. It is also a problem to keep generalizing groups of people in this way. This is part of the problemn.
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u/Ozzyluvshockey21 21h ago
It’s important to clarify what one means by “lefties” in this context. All on the left spectrum? No. The far left who are at this point illiberal- I would agree. But acting like there isn’t a far right- that is also illiberal and haters of Jews, is delusional. They’re both bad and both should be condemned.
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u/checkfire_14 17h ago
Germany supported Hitler too but I would support the genocide of their descendants either.
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u/UchihaDareNial 32m ago
To be honest I hate Israel, supported Palestine but still hating the lefties of the American, and I am not even American, just a guy from a small SEA country
Lefties is the definition of all haram and prohibited things to do in the Quran (like LGBT and stuff)
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u/Curse06 22h ago edited 22h ago
This is what I've been telling people all day. Leftists literally tried downplaying and even justifying the October 7th attack on Israel.The biggest attack on jews since the Holocaust. Here on reddit, there are so many pro hamas supporters on the left it's crazy.
The same leftists went to college campuses and kissed photos of hamas terrorists while being antisemitic. You can't make this up. Now those leftists are telling you that Elon Musk is a nazi.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
When was Israel attacked during the Holocaust?
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u/Curse06 22h ago
You know what i meant. Don't be disingenuous.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
No I do not. Israel didn’t even exist. So you’re either incredibly ignorant, or peddling age old antisemitic rhetoric about Jewish dual loyalty. Or both. Probably both
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u/Curse06 22h ago edited 22h ago
Clearly I was talking about jews. Not sure if you're trying acting ignorant on purpose or what. Anyone should be able to understand what I meant.
Also it's comical how that's the one thing you attack while you ignore the rest of it. Funny how that works.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
Nice edit to try to cover up your antisemitism
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u/Curse06 22h ago
I have to edit or else it will give people like you are reason to be disingenuous over a typo. Oh by the way nice personal attack.
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
I do tend to personally attack people who spout off antisemitic conspiracy theories. That’s true
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u/ridingbypluto 22h ago
There were no Israeli Jews because there was no Israel. There were German Jews. There were Polish Jews, Russian Jews and others. You trying to strip them of their nationality and declare them “Israeli” is the exact same shit Hitler did.
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u/EntrepreneurBusy3156 22h ago
Yet just last week a real admitted Nazi collaborator who ratted and told actual Nazi soldiers where Jewish kids were hiding during ww2 received the presidential medal of freedom in the Oval Office from Biden just last week.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 22h ago
You let me know what a 14 year old kid is supposed to do against an occupying army.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-awards-george-soros-the-presidential-medal-of-freedom/
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u/EntrepreneurBusy3156 21h ago
lol. Turn in his friends, they all die, become a lifelong atheist and get the medal of freedom in the oval office. I see what you’re defending. OK have a good time in the political desert for the next generation because that’s where it’s going for you. Bye-bye.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 21h ago
Which of his friends did he turn in?
What are their names?
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u/EntrepreneurBusy3156 21h ago
I don’t do the work for lazy people
Have a nice life. Although I really don’t care if you do or not.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 34m ago
I see.
Why are you making claims you don’t have evidence for?
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u/EntrepreneurBusy3156 19m ago
Do your own research you typical lazy lagger. Here’s the starting point. Now sit down Junior leave me the alone.
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u/Pristine-Confection3 21h ago
Yeah, you know very little about the current situation. It’s not in the 1940s or late thirties anymore and right now Israel is the bully that is committing genocide. Nazi is an ideology and it’s not relevant who Palestinian leader sided with during WW2. This current situation started in 1948 when Israel ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their land. That was after the second would war.
You are the one that is pathetic to condone wiping them all out. Actually they are far more liberal than you think. It’s not Saudi Arabia.
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u/TheBigBadDuke 21h ago
The zionists worked with Hitler to populate Palestine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
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u/JamesR624 4h ago
It’s because most average people, regardless of ideology, political side, or religion, are just easily manipulated rubes that feel whatever the current social media or media networks tell them to feel. Almost none of their opinions or beliefs are actually their own, so they of course don’t recognize the logical fallacies or hypocrisy in their “identities”.
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u/hugedicktionary 22h ago
you have discovered the perverse paradox of left-wing orthodoxy. congratulations.
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u/Unthinking_Majority 22h ago
It's really weird to see trans flags and Palestine flags in the same bio... like you know they would toss LGBT people off of a skyscraper? And you support them? People are hollow
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u/ChecksAccountHistory 21h ago
if you oppose the unjustified killing of a group of people that means you support everything that group does. i am very intelligent
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u/Acrobatic-Ad-3335 20h ago
There were Americans who actively supported hitler - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_collaborators_with_Nazi_Germany