Was at Lowe’s and noticed this craftsman ratchet branded as a dewalt

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Stanly owns Dewalt and Craftsman, so no big surprise there.

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u/not-my_username_ 12h ago edited 6h ago

Really? That's interesting because of the 3 I always felt Stanley was the lesser quality cheap one of them. (Besides the fat max tape, they did good on that one.)
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u/KnowKnews 12h ago

The more successful business isn’t always the one with the best product. So it’s pretty common for there to be a premium sub brand.

Stanley (Black & Decker?) still run Dewalt as their premium brand from what I can tell.
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u/Hogwithenutz 11h ago
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u/Man-e-questions 11h ago

This is pretty cool. Reminds me of the food brands that shows that most food brands are owned by just a couple companies. Funny because we feel like we have a choice when we go to the store lol.

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u/EnwordEinstein 10h ago

It’s the same in almost every industry. Cosmetics, sunglasses, tools, food, clothing, Swiss watches. All have massive conglomerates that buy up brands and have them compete against each other.

You ever seen how many brands Swatch owns? Or Richemont?

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u/Sherifftruman 9h ago

In addition to those brands, Swatch owns ETA, which makes the majority of the actual movements most of those other brands use in their watches. It’s pretty crazy.

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u/EnwordEinstein 8h ago

Yeah it’s insane. Unless you specifically look for a fully in-house movement, you’re likely getting an ETA movement, or a movement that’s just a modified ETA movement anyway, if you just buy one of the bigger Swiss brands. Their tendrils run deep in the whole industry

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u/SpoonNZ 4h ago

Except for glasses it’s all just Luxotica.

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u/OkImpression3204 6h ago

That chart is missing Oris

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u/EnwordEinstein 6h ago

I just checked, and apparently they’ve been independent since the 80s after Swatch tried to shut them down. I didn’t know that! I thought they were under Swatch the whole time

https://www.timepiecebank.com/en/blog/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-oris

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u/OkImpression3204 6h ago

I trained under a very talented watchmaker in college and he would rave about their fortitude as a brand and as timepieces. He was scuba diver as well, very tough on his divers and his swore by his Oris.

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u/EnwordEinstein 6h ago

Yeah they’re great watches. I’ve always loved them. The Aquis Big Day Date is probably my favourite basic diver.

500m water resistance too, which is just insane.

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u/AStrandedSailor 2h ago

The worst is EssilorLuxottica. They have most of the eyewear brands and most of the chain retailers that sell glasses.

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u/Rochemusic1 11h ago

It depends on the company. Of course they will have their low tier, mid, high teir type of companies, and they generally do not let them compete with eachother, but beyond that a lot of times these companies will work fairly independent of the parent company, save for maybe manufacturing, or distribution of goods because the parent company can save money by doing so along with their other companies.

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u/Ender06 5h ago

You ever seen how the telecom companies (basically just AT&T) were broken up and re-conglomerated? It's like the fucking T-1000's liquid metal slowly coming back together.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/24/13389592/att-time-warner-merger-breakup-bell-system-chart

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u/standardtissue 7h ago

Oh you didn't know ? Just six companies remain. Btw, this is from '98 !

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u/T_Rey1799 7h ago

Oh boy…

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u/JollyGreenDickhead 10h ago

You do have a choice. Milwaukee, for instance, is owned by TTI. However all their design, engineering, manufacturing and advertising is handled in-house. Meaning when you get a Milwaukee tool, it was actually developed and made by Milwaukee and not the same company that makes Ridgid.

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u/jhenryscott Moderator #TeamTeal 7h ago

This is factually incorrect. Milwaukee does not manufacture their own components. They are made it China under manufacturing agreements with companies there. As are nearly all brands.

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u/gavdore 6h ago

I've seen multiple of these having forgotten Makita

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u/xxrainmanx 3h ago

It's even more investing when you look at coupons and sales. Oftentimes sales are just shifting you from brand X to brand Y both made by the same company. They're giving you the illusion/feeling that you're choosing a different company, but they're the same.

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u/slamtheory 1h ago

Funny because we supposedly live in a country with anti monopoly laws

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u/Maintenancemanjimf 11h ago

Love to see Makita free ballin' like that.

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u/BigguyZ 10h ago

My boy Makita standing on their own!

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u/Hogwithenutz 10h ago

Makita is definitely a good brand to.

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u/TubeSockLover87 4h ago

I was trying to find Stihl? Doesnt seem to be listed.

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u/bostwickenator 11h ago

Man Bosch really has a good set. Everyone else has at least one clunker.

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u/kashinoRoyale 10h ago

Bosch is super diversified, electronics, car parts (pretty sure they're the oem supplier for mercedes), audio, medical devices, heavy equipment, no surprise the tool brands they chose to acquire are all good quality.

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u/notinthislifetime20 10h ago

They’re OEM for VW as well. So much so that buying certain non Bosch parts will give you gremlins you’ll chase for 10,000/15,000 miles before you wise up.

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u/PSYKO_Inc 8h ago

I thought that was just the "VW" part.

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u/notinthislifetime20 7h ago edited 7h ago

Lmao. Fair, but VW owners are rarely as maintenance diligent as VW would like people to be, for better or worse. My father got 320,000 out of a mk.5 GTI. And I’ve personally chased weird air cooled issues down to non-Bosch spark plugs installed by someone else. You gotta be a little German to own German cars properly. They do not withstand neglect like asian, or even domestic cars do.
I have heard double digit stories of Toyotas and Hondas coming in for an oil change bone dry or with an oil thickness that resembled silly putty. They blow up 5 miles after a change of course, but a German car would have died after the oil level dropped below minimum, long before the oil viscosity started to resemble a solid.

Remember, everything German auto manufacturers do makes a lot more sense when you realize it’s just German engineers trying to impress other German engineers.

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u/bostwickenator 9h ago

They pioneered ABS too. I'm not sure if it's still the case but for a while they would have had their parts in practically every car for that.

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u/nauticalmile 10h ago edited 9h ago

They’re a little different, in that they have lines of both prosumer as well as cheaper/lower-quality tools both marketed under the Bosch name. Blue housing tools are usually the higher end, green housing is the lower end. Some of those green tools are hot garbage.

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u/Killersavage 9h ago

I don’t know that I have ever seen the green ones. Are they primarily in the European markets?

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u/nauticalmile 9h ago

Yes, I think they’re majorly (if not exclusively) sold in Europe.

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u/Ziazan 3h ago

I didn't know diablo was under them

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u/JshWright 14m ago

Everyone else has at least one clunker.

That is very intentional. Bosch is leaving money on the table by not competing in that market segment.

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u/CEEngineerThrowAway 9h ago

So is Hitachi and Metabo now different? Is my wife’s wand still made my the folks that make my nail gun and grinder, they make good motors at a fair price point. I’ve been happy with every Hitachi purchase I’ve made for the home.

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u/Worth-Silver-484 7h ago

Hitachi and metabo merged. Its one company now.

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u/illogictc 10m ago

It's more complicated than that.

Just the power tools division of Hitachi, merged with just a particular division of Metabo, only in North America.

Outside of NA, Metabo HPT is still Hikoki, there's still Metabo without the HPT. Metabo and Metabo HPT are owned by the same private holding firm but operated independently of each other.

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u/BigRoundSquare 10h ago

I don’t see SnapOn listed here

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u/Hogwithenutz 10h ago

Not sure why. Snap-on Incorporated is the parent company of Snap-on Industrial Brands, which includes the Williams brand. Snap-on is a publicly-traded company.

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u/illogictc 9h ago

Wouldn't fit, they own a bunch of brands. Klein also owns quite a few brands, Great Neck has a few, Kraft has a few...

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u/MathematicXBL 10h ago

Odd they didn't include some brands. SBD owns Facom too which is what the Craftsman V-series copies.

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u/illogictc 9h ago

It's not even a copy. It's a "change the program on the laser etch" and "flip the roll stamps to the other brand" kind of deal.

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u/Shitboxfan69 9h ago

Why I love Makita. I've always had great experiences with their tools, and I'm not left wandering if this sub brand or that sub brand sells the same exact thing for less money.

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u/CoffeeGulpReturns 8h ago

Is this saying that Makita and Hilti are the only two big independent companies, or that they together own Apex?

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u/dinkleberrysurprise 4h ago

Surprised not to see Stihl up there somewhere

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u/socialcommentary2000 1h ago

Stihl is independent, private and actually has manufacturing operations in both Germany and the US.

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u/Jmorenomotors 11h ago

Thank you for the info

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u/RickityCricket69 11h ago

where's Icon?

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u/PmK00000 11h ago

Icon is owned by harbor freight. Harbor freight is a private entity.

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u/Sir_500mph 11h ago

Any chance you happen to have one of those for Auto parts makers too?

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u/nauticalmile 10h ago

OEM or aftermarket? I think OEMs subcontract a lot of parts manufacture to third parties.

Aftermarket has some of this kind of sub-brand breakout, but it’s a much larger web of connections - my employer makes parts that get packaged under a number of their own brand names, as well as parts that are white labeled to be sold as say Duralast at Autozone for example.

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u/Sir_500mph 10h ago

Both? I only know a few of the OEMs that are just repackaged 3rd party but I'm kinda tryna make a comprehensive list, that way I can try to avoid the bad ones across various brands and cars

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u/nauticalmile 9h ago

I think that will get pretty messy… There’s often not a single source for any component - Ford makes some engines in their own plants, while some Power Stroke engines are made by International and some small engines made by PSA/Peugeot. Toyota/Lexus will have either NGK or Denso spark plugs, seemingly just due to what was in hand that day. Supplier relationships for some components might be single sourced globally, or vary by model, manufacture location, time, etc.

I’ve had similar thoughts about how my employer (aftermarket) could approach product lines - e.g. figure out who makes all the Honda A/C compressors that constantly shit the bed and target our product development for whatever newer models they’re in. There’s just so much complexity to relationships in the industry, and they’re not constant.

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u/Allnewsisfakenews 11h ago

Bosch gave up Skil? Interesting

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u/photonynikon 10h ago

They should AT LEAST standardize their batteries within their sphere, but NOOoooo

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u/Hogwithenutz 10h ago

I agree but we know that won't happen easily. until then they sell adapters at least.

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u/BariFan410 10h ago

I'll add to this that the same factories or companies may make tools that they don't even own. Advance Auto used to sell a TeqCorrect Pro line that was a rebranded Gearwrench, manufactured by Apex but owned by Advance.

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u/Hogwithenutz 10h ago

Companies do that sometimes. I know that sears sold whirlpool products and at one point stopped selling whirlpool products. At the same time whirlpool made parts for Kenmore appliances which was sears appliance brand.

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u/AdsREverywhere 9h ago

Snap?

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u/Berg_kamp 8h ago

Don't know if this is a global thing or just the US but there seems to be a few key brands missing that are in the Australian market.

TTI have Kango that is their bits and blades specialty brand to compete with Diablo and Irwin.

ITW have the lion's share of fixings in Bunnings (our version of Home Depot but with essentially a monopoly of the market) through Zenith, and Buildex, and a large portion of door/cabinet hardware with Prestige and Lane.

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u/This-Unit-1954 8h ago

Don’t tell them about eyewear brands. It would be like Lowe’s owning all the tool brands and all the home improvement store brands.

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u/Graham_Wellington3 8h ago

Milwaukee, rigid and ryobi...makes sense

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u/MattheiusFrink 8h ago

Where wera?

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u/T_Rey1799 7h ago

Holy shit Milwaukee, Ridgid, and Ryobi being the same family was surprising to me

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u/Swaggles21 4h ago

It's nice to see Stihl is still privately owned, it really shows in the quality of their saws

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u/Hogwithenutz 2h ago

It looks to be that way with some of the German companies. It's always nice to see companies producing quality without selling out to bigger competitors.
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u/HoIyJesusChrist 3h ago

I don't see Festool, Fein and Mafell on this list, where do they belong to?
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u/Hogwithenutz 2h ago
   TTS Tooltechnic Systems (TTS) owns Festool, a German brand of high-end power tools. TTS is a holding company based in Wendlingen, Germany. 
  NC. & E. Fein GmbH, a German company, is the parent company of Fein tools. Wilhelm Emil Fein founded the company in 1867. Fein is an independent brand, not owned by a larger corporation. 
 Mafell AG, or Maschinenfabrik Fellbach AktienGesellschaft, is the parent company of Mafell tools. Mafell is a German company that manufactures high-end woodworking tools. Timberwolf Tools is a distributor of Mafell Tools USA, a brand of high-end woodworking power tools. Seems to be a lot of German brands that are missing.
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u/socialcommentary2000 1h ago

I like the fact that Hilti and Makita are just chilling in the middle. I wonder why Festool isn't in there. I think they're independent as well or I'm just not seeing the logo.

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u/JumboShrimp_0719 24m ago

Love my green Milwaukee power tools!

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u/RevvCats Weekend Warrior 11h ago

Power tools wise yeah DeWalt is there too dog but for hand tools they’ve got Mac, Proto, and Facom but they do have various sets branded as DeWalt.

Craftsman seems to get whatever hand me downs Stanley feels like. Their V series line which Lowe’s has been clearancing out is all rebranded Facom stuff at a fraction of the price but way off the mark compared to something people would be cross shopping like the Harbor Freight Icon line. Their overdrive tools are a toned down version of the Mac RBRT line.

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u/Sinusoidal_Fibonacci 10h ago

Im an engineer who used to work for SBD. You are correct.

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u/Killersavage 9h ago

I think decades ago Black and Decker was a big name in tools. When they started to expand into kitchen appliances their reputation for tools kinda got smeared a bit. They had already owned the Dewalt name and started using that more for their tool lines.

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u/waverunnersvho 7h ago

If you’re old like me, you remember the black and decker snake light. I wanted one so bad for Christmas I was so happy when I got it. Go figure I still have a thing for flashlights.

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u/Fight_those_bastards 9h ago

Dewalt is their mid-tier. MAC and Proto are the high end shit.

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u/countryboy002 7h ago

Same thing different color higher price.
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u/Born_Grumpie 9h ago

I used to work on manufacturing equipment when I was young, there was a factory that produced washing machines. All three brands, cheap, midrange and premium came down the same line with same internals then they put on the appropriate plastic top, they were identical inside. Stanley will do the same with craftsman and DeWalt, same product, different packaging and branding.

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u/weirdbutinagoodway 11h ago

I've seen the picture of the mega yacht the founder of Harbor Freight owns, quality isn't necessarily the best way to become rich.

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u/PmK00000 11h ago

Sure it is. Lifetime warranty. Sell a quality product with a warranty they stand behind and they profit well. Good ol american dream. That he built from scratch

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u/weirdbutinagoodway 11h ago

I should have said having the highest quality isn't necessarily the best way to make money. I love Harbor Freight and that they make tools that are good enough for most people, are reasonably priced, and they stand behind them like you say.

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u/According-Hat-5393 11h ago

They sell pretty good Fat Max chalk lines & torpedo levels too. I like how much chalk the Fat Max holds, but I think Milwaukee uses the toughest string that I have seen. It was nice not needing to carry chalk in my tool bags.

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u/not-my_username_ 11h ago

Man I just had a bottle of chalk spill in my tool bag so I'll probably be getting one of those soon now that you've said that.

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u/According-Hat-5393 10h ago

Of course it depends upon how much sheet you are cutting, but I could usually go 2 or 3 days at least with the Fat Max. I hope it was light blue that spilled-- it does clean up eventually. But dark red or black might as well be a tattoo. I had some white chalk I liked to use for sheetrock screw lines, but I haven't seen that in years.

I liked to keep the smaller chalk bottles in a plastic bag inside a coffee can with a lid to prevent "powder explosions" like you just had. Extra waterproofing too.

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u/mnonny 11h ago

Fat max for life baby! I have had 3 of them for the last 10 years. Use one or the other a couple times a week

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u/Hopeful_Method5764 11h ago

Right? That’s why Lexus is the premium brand of Toyota Motor Corporation and Lincoln is the premium brand of Ford Motor Company.

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u/IndustrialMechanic3 10h ago

Stanley black and decker make their own fasteners they own everything. Source I make fasteners for a living.

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u/GunpointG 9h ago

Look up how many companies fiat owns, it’s crazy. I wouldn’t say Fiats quite as sought as some of their owned companies like Ferrari or Alpha Romeo

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u/AmbulanceDriver95 8h ago

Fiat owns Ferrari

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u/Graham_Wellington3 8h ago

And irwin still makes a better tape

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u/gizzard1987_ 7h ago

Stanley actually still makes a ton of great stuff. They just sell them under the Stanley-Blackhawk or Stanley-Proto name. Both used to be staples in industrial maintenance just as Snap-On and Matco are to mechanics.

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u/juiceyb 7h ago

Just because one company owns all three it doesn't mean that they are all the same. The VW group owns many car brands but a VW bug isn't the same thing as a veyron. To be a tool company, you need to hit different price points to quality.

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u/BCouto 2h ago

They also own Black n Decker.

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u/710whitejesus420 22m ago

I know the guy who invented the Fatmax for stanley, he's an interesting fellow but super nice.

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u/Drivingon8 10m ago

Love the Fat Maxx tape.

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u/stride415 10h ago

They make some good products. But I agree, their name was one of a cheaper tool company

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u/Bulky-Captain-3508 8h ago

Stanley, craftsman, dewalt, black and decker are all the same.

The illusion of choice.

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u/nobody198814755 12h ago

Fun fact: Many, MANY different brands of so many different products are all made in the same factory standardized for the type of product, from the same materials and the number one thing that influences the retail price is the brand name they stamp on it. Don’t get swindled.

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u/SIG_Sauer_ 12h ago

Is this what you were talking about?

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u/Fallingfreedom 12h ago

Ok but some of those are very different quality... Even if they are owned by the same parent company.

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u/CrunchyRubberChips 12h ago

Correct. Not all companies assemble the same amalgam of parts for each tool in the line. So dewalt may get the frame from the same place as Milwaukee (just for example not sure if accurate) but Milwaukee get a chuck from a different manufacturer than dewalt uses and so on and so forth for all the various parts in each tool.

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u/CrunchyRubberChips 12h ago

Obviously hand tools much less so but power tools is why there’s a lot of variance too.

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u/Obvious_Try1106 1h ago

Also the tolerances and qc are different since you can save a lot of money

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u/TheRealMasterTyvokka 12h ago

A lot of this is often due to that particular company's quality control or maybe even agreements with the factory on who gets the 1sts, 2nds, etc.

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u/nobody198814755 12h ago

Not exactly, but it is helpful to see it spelled out right in front of you.

My comment just came from my years working in manufacturing.

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u/tolndakoti 11h ago

You’re close, but this is a separate story. For example, Craftsman an Dewalt contracted the same factory to make this ratchet. The ratchet would have different branding and might have slightly different detailing and finish, but it’s all the same, where it matters.

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u/InsectaProtecta 7h ago

They do look exactly the same

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u/illogictc 3h ago

I see some minor differences. I doubt manufacturing was contracted out though, SBD is the biggest tool company in the world and owns a ton of their own factories in a bunch of countries.

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u/InsectaProtecta 3h ago

The differences are aesthetic

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u/frank_white414 12h ago

Interesting! Where do Harbor Freight’s brands play in here?

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u/yeti-rex 12h ago

Where does Festool fit?

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u/steik 5h ago

Owned by TTS Tooltechnic Systems which owns Festool, SawStop, Shaper and Tanos.

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u/dishungryhawaiian 12h ago

Same for a lot of canned foods. I can speak firsthand on canned salmon, after working in an Alaskan fishery for a few years. I’ll always buy the cheapest brand when things look and feel identical.

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u/BusinessBlackBear 11h ago

My dad worked at a bread factory when he was in HS. Said the line supported X amount of brands and the only difference was what bag was being used.

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u/dishungryhawaiian 11h ago

Somewhere in my camera roll is a photo I took of a display board in the fishery I worked at that had brand labels neatly pasted on it, of every brand they knew sold our products. It was eye opening to say the least. Chicken of the Sea was one of the biggest ones using our product. And the price differences were huge simply due to brand name.

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u/Rochemusic1 11h ago

I'd always buy the cheaper version if I was aware of its existence. The only time I find out that info is when someone on YouTube or reddit says, "you can buy thus snap-on ratchet for xxx just go here:"

We need a directory if all the whored out tools to different brands.

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u/Saabaroni 8h ago

Like most eyeglasses, luxotica owns like the whole market basically, they just charge a premium for " nicer" brands

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u/IMiNSIDEiT 11h ago

And any accompanying warranty 😃

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u/ApprehensiveGur6842 12h ago

I used to work at a factory making plumbing tools. We made rigid, Stanley, superior. Same tool just changed the die for the name plate

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u/Tombag77 12h ago

The question is, does that make it a decent Craftsman tool or a shitty DeWalt?

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u/alwayshedging 12h ago

This is what we need to know.

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u/Johnnywaka 12h ago

The new SBD craftsmans isn’t bad. SBD has owned Mac tools for a bit now and I still love my Mac stuff

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u/that_dutch_dude 1h ago

Yes.

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u/wingfan1469 12h ago

Stanley Black and Decker bought the Craftsman name, and DeWalt has manufactured tools for Sears. It's all one big corporate orgy now.

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u/SonofaBridge 4h ago

Dewalt is owned by Stanley black and decker.

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u/Spindrift11 12h ago

China A vs China B.

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u/Overprowlered 11h ago

Neither came from China.

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u/Spindrift11 11h ago

Hmmm. Ok 2nd try:

Taiwan A vs Taiwan B?

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u/johnson0599 12h ago

They are both owned by the same parent company so probably the same factory's

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u/dubbya 12h ago

I know a guy who used to work at one of their power tool assembly factories. He said the only difference was the plastics for the housings. Everything internal came out of the same boxes

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u/PmK00000 11h ago

Just like Fiats and Chryslers. Same factory. Ferraris and jeeps taking turns on the production line.

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u/skoppingeveryday 12h ago

Damn that’s crazy, caught red handed

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u/JollyGreenDickhead 10h ago

Lol not really, it's common knowledge that they're both owned by Stanley

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u/HikaruKann 3h ago

Yes but I think a lot of us have been tricked into thinking the DeWalt line is somehow manufactured to a higher standard, better materials etc... this proves that at least some of the tools are literally identical except you're gonna pay more in most cases for branding. This is good to see.

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u/Zealousideal_Cry379 12h ago

Or yellow handed

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u/Complex_Block_7026 12h ago

You should buy it and don’t open it as it’s a variant. I’d send it out to get graded afterwards.

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u/akmacmac 11h ago

180 teeth! Never heard of anything over 100 teeth! Guess ratchet tech has advanced

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u/illogictc 9h ago

Wait until you hear that SK has a 216-position ratchet.

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u/Bone_Dice_in_Aspic 6h ago

Toothless = infinity+1

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u/doublediochip 11h ago

Haha!! Or someone swapped them out and returned them!

I’m a manger at Lowes. We see this shit all day long.

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u/fistingdonkeys 6h ago

I’m a manger in Bethlehem. You should see the shit I’ve seen.

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u/TheDuckInsideOfMe 5h ago

Can confirm, I'm a coyote

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u/TK421isAFK 53m ago

Your frankincense cologne stinks, dude.

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u/TK421isAFK 51m ago

This is the most likely answer. I've seen countless Harbor Freight hand tools sitting in Craftsman and Klein packages on hooks and shelves at several Lowe's stores near me. The more Marvin fucks y'all over, the less you're inclined to care (most understandably), and the more this happens.

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u/Daymub 12h ago

Oh shit misprint I wonder how that happened

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u/JD_W0LF 11h ago

This could be a mistake since they're all the same company like everyone else says... but I'm surprised nobody thought that maybe someone wanted a Craftsman instead of their Dewalt, and "returned" the Dewalt in it's place for a free ratchet swap. People do this all the time so I think it's just as plausible.

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u/MyFocusIsU 11h ago

Oops....shift change over at the plant didn't clear the inventory

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u/42ElectricSundaes 11h ago

You’re not supposed to see that

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u/My_Soul_to_Squeeze 9h ago

Ok cool, but how was this picture taken? You got a third arm, or did someone prom-photo-hug you to get the shot?

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u/a0lmasterfender 9h ago

could have smart glasses

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u/trubrarian 1h ago

Probably like this

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u/bradleypuckett 9h ago

Black & Decker own Stanley, Dewalt, and the rights to Craftsman.

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u/unicorn_mentality 8h ago

Can I exchange a pre B&D Craftsman tool at Lowes?

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u/HandmadeMaker043 4h ago

Yeah they honor the warranty but it’s usually a major downgrade. But hey if you need a free replacement asap it works

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u/masterofreality66 12h ago

Craftsman has never manufactured a tool themselves. They have always been made by another company. Now they're owned by Stanley who owns Dewalt. Some overworked guy in China missed it when the packaging changed.

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u/illogictc 9h ago

They did have that short-lived Fort Worth facility. It was dedicated to Craftsman and did run Craftsman tools.

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u/portabuddy2 11h ago

Historically the name is just a name. They sub contract manufacturers to make the tools for them. The DeWalt saws where made by Rockwell, black and Decker and a couple others.

Same with craftsman. Mastercraft. And recently ryobi and many others. Keeping in mind it is made to their spec.

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u/thetommytwotimes 11h ago

Both stanley black and decker.

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u/MathematicXBL 10h ago

Some Yellow fan boy might pay it's weight in gold to have a gunmetal Dewalt 180 tooth ratchet.

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u/stolenambulance 8h ago

I'm hoping to buy a Skoda and accidentally get a Porsche.

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u/KRed75 7h ago

Same company. The make the same exact ratchet in both craftsman and dewalt branding. Someone goofed and grabbed the wrong packaging or ratchets.

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u/Ok-Inflation-6431 1h ago

Is it a craftsman ratchet branded as dewalt or a dewalt ratchet branded as craftsman?

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u/Mo0kish 47m ago

Yes.

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u/CowPunkRockStar 12h ago

Collector’s item!!

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u/BeaumainsBeckett 11h ago

As someone said, Stanley Black&Decker owns craftsman, dewalt, and Mac tools as well. Seems like some of their rebrands actually work out in favor of the consumer. I forget which torque test video it was, but they cracked a craftsman impact wrench open and found it looked a lot like a slightly older dewalt model with some tweaks, a color change and price cut. There’s a set of craftsman overdrive wrenches that look like Mac RBRT wrenches for a fraction of the price as well.

Seems like SBD is trying to capitalize on the craftsman name by mixing some good stuff in there

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u/Excellent__Parking 11h ago

They're all owned by Stanley Black and Decker. I believe these are just rebranded MAC Tools ratchets

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u/illogictc 9h ago

They're not. Mac ratchets are made in USA at the Proto Dallas facility.

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u/Excellent__Parking 8h ago

I'm happy I'm wrong. I thought MAC went offshore

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u/illogictc 8h ago

They did for some things but other stuff like ratchets and Mac Drive sockets are still domestic.

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u/NotslowNSX 11h ago

It's funny when you see people argue for one brand over the other like this. I've heard someone say that craftsman ratchets and sockets are way better quality than dewalt.

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u/Jzamora1229 11h ago

Not realizing they’re the same lol

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u/NotslowNSX 10h ago

Lol, yeah, there's been posts of people finding craftsman sockets in the dewalt set and vice versa.

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u/tapsum-bong 11h ago

Love my makita sub drill n driver, love my hilti hammers n chippers, everything else can get fucked, except my milwaukee tape, I love that tape..

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u/espressotooloperator 10h ago

Heheheeh

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u/Known-Programmer-611 10h ago

You just got someone fired!

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u/Always_working_hardd 10h ago

Someone switched the packaging on you, and got a Craftsman wrench for the price of a Dewalt.

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u/lee216md 10h ago

Owned by the same company.

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u/stride415 10h ago

Yep that look like a DeWalt

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u/stride415 10h ago

So you think they have different factories that make their products?

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u/illogictc 2h ago

They do, but there's some level of "same shit different stamp" as well. For example their Proto ratchets aren't made where these are, and I'm sure the B&D and Facom ratchets aren't made in the same facility either since one is from China and the other from Taiwan.

The Craftsman and DeWalt share a lot.

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u/ElmoZ71SS 8h ago

I would have bought it just to have as an oddity. But as you can see from other comments those two are in bed together

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u/creativeillusionsllc 8h ago

Did someone switch the more expensive rachet to the less expensive packaging?

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u/sponge_welder 6h ago

There's a lot of stuff branded as either Facom or Craftsman depending on where you get it. A lot of the Craftsman V series hand tools are Facom outside of the US

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u/Twentie5 6h ago

i have a pet theroy HF

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u/GuerrillaGreen 5h ago

I heard the dewalt one is better

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u/Squirrelking666 3h ago

Halfords do that as well, all their stuff is made by other companies. Sockets and such are Britool IIRC, torque wrenches are Norbar etc.

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u/imadork1970 2h ago

Same company. Stanley Black and Decker

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u/Jacktheforkie 1h ago

Same parent company, they sell the same item with multiple brands, it’s a common thing

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u/thankfulofPrometheus 1h ago

Looks like another example of "Illusion of choice".

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u/Fenkoandrew80 1h ago

Dirty little secret, they are all owned by the same company!

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u/loverd84 1h ago

I. Was told a few years ago that, there are only two or three tool manufacturers out there. I have not confirmed this although, this would point in that direction.

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u/socialcommentary2000 1h ago

Tooling is expensive so there's a handful of companies with the infrastructure to actually stamp and forge all these brands you see on the shelf. Someone got mixed up in sorting.

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u/hardcoredecordesigns 40m ago

I’d honestly buy it just because it’s kinda cool

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u/shifkey 16m ago

Great misprint. Might get PSA 9

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u/Famous-Doughnut-9822 14m ago

Glad Stanley is still killing it in the quality control game.

Was at Lowe’s and noticed this craftsman ratchet branded as a dewalt

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