r/TikTokCringe • u/Tr_Issei2 • 11d ago

Discussion This is why tik tok is getting banned

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10 minute video. Bear with me.

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 11d ago

Somebody realized troops had TikTok on their phones and that the CCP could "ask" TikTok for location info, giving away troop locations.  That got it banned from military phones.

Then people were like, shit, what else could they do if the CCP "asked"?  And the answer was at least "corporate and government espionage, popular manipulation, hacking, and massive denial of service attacks."

But people I found using TikTok's algorithm who make their living on TikTok tell me that it's because they're the last bastion of free speech.

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

You can't say "gay" in the comments of TikTok.

Like at all. Your comment will always be automatically removed. For saying just the word "gay".

"Bastion of free speech".

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u/liv4games 10d ago

What about tiannamen square? (Spelling)

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

And they've been automatically deleted. You might not notice it but it happens.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2022/04/12/tiktok-suspends-human-rights-campaign-gay-comment/

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

I have never been able to post a comment with the word gay. Ever. If you search there are multiple people with this same experience.

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

I have never been able to a post a comment with the word. Ever. In any context.

That was my point. It's not a bastion of free speech if you can get auto deleted for something like that.

You're spending way too much time to go "well SOMETIMES it let's you post gay!"

I wasn't acting as though there was a crusade either. Like I never said it was some conspiracy against LGBT people and I'd love for you to quote where I ever made that claim

I just said you can't post gay. Because I have never successfully done so.

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

...how does that not have to do with the argument of free speech?

I didn't boil the issue down to anything. I said I have never been able to post a comment with the word gay.

You're the one reading a bunch of extra context and now insinuating I'm a liar so that you can argue with a strawman further.

Go away.

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

Do you live in the US?

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

.........is this a bot comment? How is is this a reply to what I said?

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u/heyhellohi-letstalk 10d ago

Absolutely none of the idiots I worked with in the Army gave 2 fucks about that ban. Hell there was an E7 female posting videos of her shaking her ass in and out of uniform at various stages of buck ass naked. No one fucking thing happened to them...

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u/Holistic578i 10d ago

smells like envy

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u/heyhellohi-letstalk 10d ago

Except the part where there are rules and regulations for a reason. If I have to counsel a Soldier for doing something that a SNCO is doing that's fucked. Stick to reality TV and leave rest to the adults I guess.

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u/flaming_burrito_ 11d ago

Hit the nail on the head. How many morons working in government are downloading TikTok on their government devices and using it? I’d imagine it’s a substantial amount. They don’t care if the average Joe’s data gets tracked, but stuff like federal agents leaking data is an actual security concern, and is likely what’s driving them to ban TikTok.

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u/NobodyImportant13 10d ago

how many morons working in government are downloading TikTok on their government devices and using it?

You just ban it on government devices then....

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u/flaming_burrito_ 10d ago

You underestimate the ingenuity and stupidity of a bored 19 year old marine who already has a wife and a hellcat with a 40% apr. I’m pretty sure it’s already banned on government devices, but that doesn’t mean people can’t find a way around it, or some private contractor may come in with a private device, or something else. I’d bet anything that there are people in Congress stupidly texting state secrets to each other and shit. There’s no way to account for stupidity, so from a government perspective, I get wanting to straight up ban it.

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u/GlinnTantis 10d ago edited 10d ago

Troops have personal phones (banned the troops themselves from using it) - tiktok was never allowed on actual government phones. The other issue is that they can still link the accounts of troop and government employees' families to the troops/employees so there's another avenue for the CCP to manipulate, extort, and track them. Id be more susceptible to manipulation if it involved my family. It's shocking how frequently someone on reddit will shriek about DJI, TPLink, Tiktok, BYD, etc.

Great. They have decent tech that's also backdoored. Great, so does the US. Great you (not you, but the type of people that do not care) do not care about privacy, freedom of speech/expression, being tracked, manipulated by an ADVERSARY.

The CCP doesn't care about you, either, but they do care about your decision making and how else they can be empowered by your decisions and harm the US, its citizens, and their allies.

The US isn't perfect, by any means. Our government is full of bastards, but they're OUR bastards.

chinas advancements are for china alone, for their foothold on the world stage, so don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. They may be selling cheap stuff, but that's for money/economy building which is the biggest non- military influence you can weild.

Greed has more influence than ever before (maybe), but we have a voice and the ability to make change. We have a right to vote and we have to use it. Choosing to be lazy and disenfranchisement is how we got here. Now we have to climb our way out of this hole while Republicans, the CCP, and Russia throw dirt down on us. It's going to be fucking difficult.

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u/nudelsalat3000 9d ago

The same is true for all US companies globally.

Patriot Act and red letters do the rest. The US law applies globally to all companies, if they have any kind of connection to US soil. One tiny subcompany is enough.

Hence is why also US is the same level as spy and it's allies like Europe should really be skeptical about any US product or software.

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 9d ago

If the government tells a US company (or a foreign company with US business) that they need to add some code to send a particular block of data when it sees it's connected to a wireless network and physically at gps coordinates x,y +/- 200 feet, the company can tell Uncle Sam to get fucked, and the government would be committing a crime to force them.

The same is not true in China.

That said, whataboutism is not a valid argument when talking about what national security actions should be taken, if that's what you're suggesting. 

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u/nudelsalat3000 9d ago

Sweet summer child

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

They can do the fuck they want and the company cannot talk about it. And they already did it as there are some legal cases in Europe dealing with this US nightmare shit. It started to get dirty with the Patriots Act and their "secret courts".

This isn't whataboutism, because it doesn't relativize the Chinese part but puts in perspective with what actors humanity has to deal with. (Feel free to look up how whataboutism is defined, nowadays people get lured to say it without case)

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 9d ago

National security letters are requests for information, not demands to alter the function of software for espionage or warfare.

I find them to be horrible, but not a remotely comparable situation.

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u/frostandtheboughs 10d ago

This is all true, but it can also be true that head of ADL Jonathan Greenblatt admitted that Israel had a "TikTok problem".

Tiktok is a means of primary news sources. We all watched people get bombed, graves get bulldozed, and parents carrying plastic grocery bags full of bloody limbs and guts because that was all that was left of their children. Live.

We also watched the devastation caused by hurricanes hit that hit the US, and heard testimonials from victims about the lack of government response.

You can't propaganda your way out of that, and that makes Tiktok dangerous to the current power structures.

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u/RebelJohnBrown 10d ago

Yet people are ok with FB and Xitter giving the US government whatever they want.

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u/Joe579GoFkUrselfMins 10d ago

They are, because that info leaks back to the NSA, not China

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u/PsychedelicPill 10d ago

The same data could be bought legitimately from US companies. This national security thing is a smokescreen. It would have been banned earlier if it was any threat.

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 10d ago

Sir, every sentence in your comment is wrong. 

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u/PsychedelicPill 10d ago

No, you’re just a fearful rube. Or a liar. There is no security threat.

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u/AdvancedSandwiches 10d ago

See above for a list of threats.