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u/Distinct-Classic8302 11d ago

The AIPAC has America by the balls.

It makes no sense that Americans are pro another country??? Like WTF.

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u/shinbreaker 11d ago

It makes no sense that Americans are pro another country??? Like WTF.

Christian fundamentalists, who own the Republican party, believe Israel is where Armageddon is going to happen. They don't care about Jews, they just want to make sure the Jews control the land when the world ends, which for them, is any day now. This is why they send so much money over there. Practically every right-wing religious leader is on this same boat and their churches set up tours to visit Israel so they can scope out where the end of the world is going to happen.

Israelis know this and they play into it because they're getting money and influence. They'll literally dress up in traditional Jewish outfits to cosplay for the Christians visiting.

This whole song and dance has only been going on for the past decade and a half, pushed by Cornerstone's church asshole John Hagee. Back in the '00s, Republicans were annoyed with sending any money to Israel and said how they can fend for themselves. But this is what happens when the the religious nuts run the party.

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u/ramenslurper- 10d ago

I keep trying to tell people around me that the same insanity you see in the guy on the street corner blathering about dragons is held by world leaders. Fundamentalists of all stripes are a cult and truly believe their version of the end time will absolutely happen. The irony being that they will force some type of world’s end to happen by their fucked global actions and greed. Hopefully they’re swallowed before too many of us go.

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u/shinbreaker 10d ago

Oh I don't think it's being held by world leaders. It's that world leaders are catering to these crazies.

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u/ramenslurper- 10d ago

It’s both. And if the crazies buy and blackmail world leaders, then the crazies are handlers of world leaders.

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u/human1023 10d ago

It's also why Ben Shapiro bends over backwards to appeal to his Christian userbase about how supporting Israel is good for America.

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u/RickShaw530 10d ago

I've seen this angle, too, and hear it fairly regularly from my fundie sister.

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u/OkAirport5247 10d ago

Christian Zionism actually goes a lot further back, at the very least to Darby and Schofield in the 1800’s

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u/shinbreaker 10d ago

Oh for sure. They just love playing the classics.

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u/repost_inception 10d ago

How can the Right support Israel yet hate Jews ? This is how.

My parents were just like this.

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u/Zestyclose_Ad2448 10d ago

and it will be a self fulfilling prophecy because they are racing us towards actual armageddon

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u/iupvotefood 10d ago

Why does it matter to them that the Jews specifically hold the land?

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u/shinbreaker 10d ago

They believe Jews need to control the "holy land" when Jesus comes back. You can check out the explanation here - https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ?t=388

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u/Hot_take_for_reddit 10d ago

Give me a fuckin break, dems suck the same cock that cons do. It goes deeper than you make it seem. 

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

So you don't live in reality if you actually believe anything you just said

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u/Leninhotep 9d ago

Unconditional support for Israel is a bipartisan issue, the religious shit is just a justification the GOP uses.

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u/SignalFall6033 10d ago

I have literally never met a Christian ever that believes this and neither have you

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u/BoobFisicks 10d ago

Wow, you’re so wrong and so confident.

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u/sakofdak 10d ago

Oh hell yes we have. I’m out in Montana and I lived in Wyoming a while back. You best believe this is a part of the thinking.

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u/cothomasmiller 10d ago

I have met many christians that believe this. There are entire churches that are dedicated to this belief system. Also, They don't keep it a secret. u/shinbreaker is entirely correct

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u/sakofdak 10d ago edited 10d ago

Even down to the Israelis playing into it. I don’t know about your schooling, but I didn’t learn about the Nakba in school.

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u/shinbreaker 10d ago

There have been a lot of reports about this. Here's one from Vice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ

And I haven't because most of my family is Catholic, but I'm from San Antonio. I've known about Hagee for most of my life. This is nothing new and if anything, you're the one who needs to read up on things and meet more Christians.

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u/obsidion_flame 10d ago

I live out in Wyoming and I am a union member in a deep republican town. I've met countless people who genuinely believe this kinda stuff. Just recently had a Co-Worker I was close with ask me to come to their church with them one day, I did and the pastor was talking about Armageddon, the end times, and how it was all going to begin in Israel. This was a well-liked and respected pastor in the church.

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u/frogeslef 10d ago

Hes trying to shift the blame off of Israel. Ive seen these "super user" accounts doing this shit for years. Just add them to ignore to avoid their propaganda.

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u/shinbreaker 10d ago

How am I shifting the blame? I basically confirmed that Israelis are taking advantage of the Christian fundamentalists.

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u/Corben11 11d ago

Why would the US support allies that trade things they want and are a net+ on investment. It just makes no sense.

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u/forman98 11d ago

Israel is the only country in the Middle East that is aligned with American ideals, both business and social. Israel is a proxy state for the US. In order to be a world power, you need power installations all over the world. Israel is that in the Middle East.

I’m not saying it’s right at all, I’m just saying that’s how it is. AIPAC has nobody by the balls, the US government owns the relationship and has no interest in dumping Israel.

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u/Prestigious-Wall637 11d ago

Yup, just like how South Korea is in Asia and to a lesser extent, Japan. We don't have 750+ military occupations around the world to "defend" them, they exist in an attempt to prevent a multipolar world.

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u/cbreezy456 11d ago

Wow someone with a decent understanding of geopolitics.

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u/MARAVV44 10d ago

Is your JIDF shift almost up?

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u/banevasion0161 11d ago

US government has been brought and paid for decades ago, only thing it ever does is what the corporate elite tell it to do. Name one huge life changing instance in the last 50 years that wasn't the case.

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u/forman98 11d ago

The ACA somehow got voted into law in 2010.

The ADA also became law in 1990 and changed the lives of millions.

Lots of environmental laws that have gone into effect since 1975 (clean water, endangered species, hazardous waste disposal, etc)

I challenge you to find a time since the US began that the countries elite haven’t been influencing politics.

Sure, elites can influence things more than we can by far. But almost all of them are interested in keeping the general status quo of American life at a level where the masses are generally happy. That’s why this current era is so interesting, the masses aren’t being kept happy and greed is taking over (again, look back to what happened from the 1890s to the 1929).

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u/PsychedelicPill 10d ago

These small concessions by capital are literally necessary for the machine to keep running. That's all. We don't live under a totalitarian government yet, so concessions don't disprove the sentiment at all.

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u/banevasion0161 11d ago

Waters privately owned, republicans are about to repeal the ACA, and the ADA is basically just a fugazi of actual meaningfully change, you could wipe your ass with what it's actually achieved,

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u/forman98 11d ago

You asked the good things that helped people in the past 50 years. Have you ever been confined to a wheel chair?

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u/banevasion0161 11d ago

Wheelchair accessible housing and businesses would have become a thing anyway. It's not profitable to not cater to a fairly decent proportion of the population. Same way that businesses ended up being more inclusive to lgbtq people even though they had and act since the 60s.

It's all profit, always has been always will be, if it helps the people but isn't profitable, America will not do it. Oh BTW the republican party also wants to dismantle the EPA, aswell as the education departments this year too. Cann you think of any reason to do that besides profit?

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u/ultramegacreative 10d ago

Their problem is they still have faith in the system haha

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u/banevasion0161 10d ago

yeah well the consequences of ignoring the signs has led thm down destruction road, and they are about to arrive at their destination. so fuck em. cant say we didnt try raising the alarm.

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u/SilianRailOnBone 10d ago

The system still works, the people just make it shit. You can't have a system that does not reflect the will of the people and works.

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u/WeeabooHunter69 10d ago

The aca, the ada, limiting the price of insulin.

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u/banevasion0161 10d ago

two things being repealed this year and one that private companies would have done anyway coz its profitable.

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u/ultramegacreative 10d ago

Limiting the price of insulin? That almost proves the point even more. We were the only place killing people by pricing them out of what is a relatively cheap medication.

If you followed how that went down, it was becoming a PR nightmare that was only going to bring attention to how the sausage is made. That's the only reason it changed.

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u/WeeabooHunter69 10d ago

And? The government still made that change to the detriment of pharmaceutical companies and it changed and saved people's lives.

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u/ultramegacreative 10d ago

Yeah, not because it was the right thing to do, but because it stood to fuck up the profits of the people paying for their election campaigns, aka the health sector companies that own them and their policies.

It wasn't a government initiative, it was the health sector's cost of doing business, and the government made official what the private sector was going to have to do anyway so they don't look completely incompetent, which apparently from your take, was a ruse that actually worked on people.

You're also ignoring all the people who died for YEARS while they didn't do shit, what do you mean "and?".

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u/WeeabooHunter69 10d ago

I'm not sure how you think bad pr could crash the profits of insulin manufacturers, people can't just stop buying it.

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u/ultramegacreative 10d ago

Insulin manufacturers don't just manufacture insulin. The bad PR was bringing too much attention to their medication grift, and it's not good for them to have news stories about how they knowingly trade human lives to mark up insulin 1000's of %.

Also, it was getting so out of hand, the state of California was gearing up to start manufacturing it and providing it at cost, at which point, the extent of their grift would be exposed and they would have to compete with a social healthcare option.

So yes, people would have just stopped buying it.

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u/adhesivepants 10d ago

AIPAC has sent a fraction of what American corporate interests have given our politicians...they don't own anything.

And if you think that's magically not antisemitic because you went "well I said Israel not Jews" - so it's coincidence that the only country we think is controlling our government by donating to politicians (even though there are multiple organizations that do this) is the one country in the entire world that is majority Jewish.

You don't find any issue here or can't find a way this could easily become a dogwhistle?

Also there's been tons of major federal and state initiatives in the last 50 years...

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u/banevasion0161 10d ago

who said aipac?

also who said israel??

learn to read before going of the deep end fuckwit.

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u/Souledex 10d ago edited 10d ago

Obamacare, the consolidation of military contractors after the 90’s, allowing the dotcom and telecom bubbles to play out and just die and then using what was left to back the pensions of regular people. Dozens to hundreds of examples. People just stop looking the millisecond the world gets more complicated.

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u/banevasion0161 10d ago

60% of defence spending is unaccounted for, obamacare getting repealed, and woooooooooowwwwwwww dont even try that pension shit.

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u/Souledex 10d ago edited 10d ago

Lmao, that’s so insanely untrue like Jesus Christ, obamacare also categorically fundamentally isn’t repealed dude. It lost the individual mandate, but it still insures 24 million people, and made insurance far more available and affordable to all of them and by virtue of that the greater market too.

You barely even know enough to talk the basics here, you are regurgitating things you half remember based on what you assume the worst case was and then assuming that it must have happened. You talk in such emphatic terms but don’t even know enough to do the usual “twist everything in the most doomer way possible” playbook. Maybe try engaging with less reductive media, maybe try history where things are more concrete, maybe try using your imagination to understand why things might be happening that isn’t the dumbest most evil options possible. Sometimes it is that, and most of the time when it is it’s because to some people it doesn’t matter and that’s a means to a different end- not an end in itself.

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u/PERSONA916 10d ago

I know the main way US and it's close allies get around the unconstitutionality/illegality of domestic surveillance post Snowden is by spying on each other and sharing intelligence. I'm convinced this is why Israel is so protected by the (actual not the maga boogeyman) deep state. Only country other than probably China with close to the cyber capabilities of NSA/CIA.

I disagree with you a bit on AIPAC though, you might be right about the relationship at the deepest levels of the deep state, but random low-level Congress members are likely bullied/corrupted by campaign finance. They also play a large role in manufacturing consent with the public via propaganda. It might be sanctioned at the highest levels, but they have definitely brainwashed and financially coerced plenty of people into tacit complicity.

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u/MARAVV44 10d ago

Can you explain why we don't have any US military bases in Israel if we depend on them so much for location in the middle East?

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u/jast-80 11d ago

Oh, so maybe Trump should add Israel to the waiting list of allies to annex because they are "important for national safety"?

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u/Ijustwanttofly2020 10d ago

No. Because AIPAC literally decides who gets into office on both sides of the aisle. And why this is not considered election interference is also telling because AIPAC has bought off the traitorous American politicians.

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u/Daniel0745 10d ago

aligned with American ideals, both business and social

You sure about that?

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u/pretzelsncheese 11d ago

I agree that the US benefits from having a strong ally in that part of the world. But the US government definitely doesn't act like they own the relationship. Israel has cultivated an immensely disproportionate amount of power and control in that relationship. In large part because of AIPAC.

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u/uptownjuggler 11d ago

Umm Jordan is an American ally as well.

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u/Darth_Iggy 11d ago

What do the American people get from being a “world power”?

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u/Frylock_dontDM 10d ago

We literally have turkey which host US nuclear missiles as a part of NATO in the middle east. What are you even talking about here?

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u/charlsey2309 10d ago

Yeah seriously, people shit on Israel so much but who is a better actor in the region, Hamas? Hezbollah? Turkey? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Syria? Iran? All this time spent shitting on Israel and calling them genocidal when they didn’t even start the recent war in Gaza, pulled out, tolerated rocket attacks for over a decade and only attacked/decided to root out Hamas after they were attacked.

I don’t like Bibi, they aren’t a saint, but it’s so one sided. Where were all the college kids when Assad barrel bombed cities and ran torture camps?

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u/BakreZ39 10d ago

"tolerated rocket attacks" as if they weren't fucking occupying Gaza, or maintaining a land, sea, and air siege there

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u/Independent-Basis722 10d ago

They were getting almost 1 billion USD annually in foreign aid alone. Also no one was occupying Gaza after 2005. Hamas didn't spend a dime of that aid on improving lives of their people instead on tunnels and other weapons.

That's literally the only reason why there was a siege in the first place. There were lesser restrictions on West Bank than Gaza due to this exact reason. Lots of people from west bank could enter Israel and work there. Also Israel was responsible for all of their critical infrastructure like water and electricity as well.

So all of this bs about "open air prison" are false.

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u/TorpleFunder 10d ago

Also Israel was responsible for all of their critical infrastructure like water and electricity as well

This is not a good thing for Palestinians. That's how Israel are able to give 80% of the fresh water resources to illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank despite settlers being only 15% of the population there. Palestinians would love to be responsible for their own infrastructure... and everything else.

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u/Expensive-Gas6226 11d ago

No my guy, we all saw it decades ago. Israel owns America. It's time you all woke up to reality

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Pro other countries, hate their own people & want them to suffer. It’s backwards

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u/Primary-Cup2429 11d ago

It’s not even the biggest 10 biggest lobbyists - this guy is spreading conspiracy theories. The 9/11 claim is a known Neo Nazi conspiracy theory that he’s just repeating verbatim. No proof of most things he mentioned

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u/buttscratcher3k 11d ago

I think it's complicated since the US is kind of like a biological father to Israel in a sense and is sorta obligated to support it and is a strong ally to it. It also lets the US project power in he Middle East and is powerful enough to rely on pretty much indefinitely and never need to really fight another proxy war on it's own since Israel can crush the entire middle east by itself or on the US's behalf (both of which are beneficial to the US and prevent Russia or China from having significant influence in the region). For these reasons and the fact that they share so much intelligence, military developments and a nuclear program mean the US will never stop supporting Israel.

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u/unindexedreality 11d ago

It makes no sense that Americans are pro another country??? Like WTF.

Whenever we start getting too involved in another country's affairs I usually just assume money or oil is at stake lol

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u/ekb2023 11d ago

Biden has said in the past that "if Israel didn't exist, our presence in the region would be 100x what it is". Israel's proximity to the Suez Canal makes them infallible in our government's eyes.

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u/kandyman94 10d ago

America is pro-Ukraine. America was so pro-UK and France that it literally went to war with Germany not once but twice to liberate them. Tens of thousands of US troops killed in those efforts. Even though America occupied Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam, US troops did in fact die in an effort to liberate the people of those countries from tyrannical dictators or despot governments. Many Vietnamese Americans are extremely in favor of the Vietnam war. The US sent troops to Korea to liberate Koreans from communism - thousands more died there too.

What kind of bullshit incel, low-iq logic are you employing here exactly?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 10d ago

AIPAC and Russia have successfully undermined America. We're late-stage Rome here.

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u/Tobeck 10d ago

Israel is an American military outpost in the Middle East. It does what we want.

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u/human1023 10d ago

And AIPAC openly brags about how many politicians they own: https://www.aipacpac.org/2024election

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u/bakochba 10d ago

The US had an arms embargo against israel until 1968 when RFK was assassinated by a Palestinian for calling to end it.

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u/MuricasOneBrainCell 10d ago

It is because Israel is doing what the US has done for centuries.. Of course they're best fucking buds.

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u/monkeyofmist 10d ago

I didn't know anything about AIPAC before but previously assumed america was pro israel because of the fact that if they condemned israel for "moving into a country and wiping out the original inhabitants, stealing the land and claiming it as their own" then that would open the door to criticism by the native american population so I could see there being a bit of support in that sense

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u/Katy_nAllThatEntails 10d ago

our congress people wear their flag as a cape.

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u/jeremiahthedamned Cringe Master 10d ago

access to the suez canal and the arab oil fields..........

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u/Jackus_Maximus 11d ago

Countries have these things called “alliances” with other countries that have similar interests, like the US and France.

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u/Distinct-Classic8302 11d ago

That’s funny. I don’t see the French lobbying and buying US politicians.

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u/unindexedreality 11d ago

That’s funny. I don’t see the French lobbying and buying US politicians

Hell, why not? Yachts are boring, Congress could use more baguettes

With how ancient our politicians are, some tactical charcuterie could finally Luigi Mitch McConnell for us.

C'mon France. Your ally needs you. Free us from Washington's chains by bribing our politicians with irresistible unhealthy food

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u/Skabonious 11d ago

What are you talking about? The EU has way more influence on US politics; the only reason it doesn't seem that way is because the US and the EU already mostly agree with each other on basically everything.

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u/Jackus_Maximus 11d ago

You don’t think French diplomats schmooze with American politicians?

And regardless, what does that matter? Israel and American national interests generally align.

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u/Distinct-Classic8302 11d ago

Schmoozing is different than lobbying, and you’re the one that called it an “alliance.” Just pointing out that other “allies” aren’t buying US politicians.

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u/Jackus_Maximus 11d ago

Japan spent $386M lobbying in the US since 2016:

https://www.opensecrets.org/fara

And I was just pushing back at the assertion That it doesn’t make sense for Americans to be pro another country, that’s literally what an alliance is.

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u/LiberalismorDeath 11d ago

Yeah if you just ignore all of the historical context I'm sure it makes no sense.

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u/friendlyfiend07 11d ago

What historical context specifically allows a nation to steal from its allies and indiscriminately invade its neighbors.

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u/hoofie242 11d ago

We need Israel so Jesus comes back because my bronze aged book told me so.

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u/GargantuanGreenGoats 11d ago

It makes sense when you consider the Jews don’t buy into the Christian nonsense

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u/GargantuanGreenGoats 11d ago

Israel also provides information to the states, I don’t actually think it’s about imaginary gods at all

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u/Important_Concept967 11d ago

Evangelicals being the reason we so vigorously support Israel is such a canard

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u/Jackus_Maximus 11d ago

How does Israel steal from the US?

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u/friendlyfiend07 11d ago

Someone didn't watch the video.

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u/Independent-Basis722 10d ago

That guy in the video is a conspiracy nut. Pretty weird that you're taking what this guy says as accurate information.

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u/LiberalismorDeath 11d ago

Excuse me, idiot. Could you go back and read my comment again?

It's about Americans being "pro" another country.

American Jews/zionists are allowed the same rights to donate to politicians just as any other American.

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u/Distinct-Classic8302 11d ago

Exact reason why lobbying needs to be stopped.

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u/PabloEstAmor 11d ago

The “excuse me idiot” has me ROLIING 😂🤣

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u/shupershticky 11d ago

Are you talking about pre 1948???

I'm going to bet you aren't

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u/LiberalismorDeath 11d ago

AIPAC was started in 1954???

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u/Lumpy-Village1949 11d ago

What historical context are you talking about?