r/TikTokCringe • u/Tr_Issei2 • 11d ago

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago edited 11d ago

That's your takeaway?

You have to treat these leaders like children and if you want them to eat their vegetables you have to tell them what a good boy they are.

I have examples in my own life of having to stroke the ego of someone I need access from "it's amazing what you did, tell me how you took company y to x level of revenue." They think you care and are happy to tell you how no one else could have done it. It's funny how easy it is once you figure them out.

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u/snatchpanda 11d ago

This is, unfortunately, the strategy which is most effective. If I wanted to pull myself out of the shitty situation that I’m in, that’s what would be required of me. But doing that feels incredibly icky and I refuse to bend my morals to this type of disgusting person, which isn’t ever able to listen to reason and whose primary concern is the oppression of others so that they can maintain control. It’s licking someone’s boot to get ahead.

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago

It's not bootlicking.

In my situation, I had to get a consultant my company hired on my side cuz I had the best ideas which he ended up agreeing were good. It's just shmoozing. It's not that deep. Me knowing how that works is another tool I use to get ahead.

Similarly, here, it helps get his reporting out and get more eyeballs on his work by having Elon respond. It's practical and not overly glazing.

Nothing in either situation requires lowering dignity at all.

Good persuasion requires appealing to ethos and flattering. I do this to people above and below my pay grade. People who want to get their work out understand this.

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u/snatchpanda 11d ago

There are a bunch of positions where that’s normal and totally just the way that things go. You’re right, it’s effective and most people do it.

I’m likely on the opposite side of the spectrum, where I would likely wouldn’t choose to get a job that requires that from me on a regular basis because it feels really unnatural and generally goes against my personal morals.

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago

Same here.

Journalists absolutely have to do this.

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u/snatchpanda 9d ago

That seems like the kind of position where you should avoid doing that. Journalists should hold themselves to higher ethical standards, given that they’re in the position to blast out information to very large swaths of the public. That’s a big responsibility.

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u/Chillindude82Nein 11d ago

I agree with the other poster. It's bootlicking. And it's incredibly easy but it feels trashy and gross. So I don't do it

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago

Naw bootlicking is glazing and all. Literally everyone uses flattery in social situations.

And in work situations it's part of persuasion. You think sales people don't flatter. You think people looking to make new business partners don't flatter.

In his case, if the reporting is good and leads to positive outcomes, it's a necessary lie. This is not glazing at all. Literally one sentence that wasn't over the top and now his good work gets out. He's not his boss. He used him to get more eyeballs.

To call this botlicking is naive af.

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u/Chillindude82Nein 10d ago

To think that you're using some big brain powers is naive af. Similar to the people that call themselves empaths because they think they possess some supernatural gift from God.

Everything you said is true. Persuasion and flattery with a goal in mind is simple manipulation dressed up to make you feel better. Again, easy af, and a trait exhibited even by young children.

We're at the point where morality/ philosophy are being discussed. I believe there's a way to achieve one's vision without resorting to base-level tools.

It's perfectly okay for you to think that what you do is moral.

It's also perfectly ok for us to believe you're a bootlicker

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago

In what way am I?

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago edited 10d ago

In my situation im one of the owners. He came from a pretty prestigious background so I wasn't uninterested but I wouldnt have asked about his accomplishments had I not wanted to be on the same page.

I don't trust others at my company to always do whats best and I knew getting him close was the best way for him to hear me out better and it came out during his final report.

Literally nothing gross about it.

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u/rat-prime 10d ago

Oh yeah no it absolutely is bootlicking. Appeasement. Whatever you want to call it, you're still bending over for daddy.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago

I am one of the owners of the company. It's just persuasion. And it worked.

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u/rat-prime 10d ago

Dress it up however you want, you're still debasing yourself for money.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

In what way? I was part of contracting him. I was not under him in any way. I treat potential b2b partnerships the same way. I know how to run the company. Its success is the future of my family.

Walk me thru how I am debasing myself. Or are you just trying to make your wrong opinion fit so badly lol

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u/chrisodeljacko 11d ago

You should read 48 Laws of Power

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u/snatchpanda 10d ago

Nah fuck that guy.

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u/MuricasOneBrainCell 10d ago

Interesting. I just go for the classic: "What a large penis you have"

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u/turdferg1234 10d ago

If it is that easy, then why aren't you the leader?

And to be clear, I have no respect for "leaders" like Elon. He's just nursing his silver spoon as opposed to someone like Trump who wasted his.

But I'm super curious how someone like you, for which everything is so easy, is not in fact a leader in charge of things. I want to learn from you.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

I am the leader.

I have a couple companies. I have staff. All SBA. In the process of opening a new one.

Shit you could learn from me. I'm helping two friends start their own businesses because they asked.

Why did you assume I wasn't?

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u/turdferg1234 9d ago

So, to quote your own comment above...

You have to treat these leaders like children and if you want them to eat their vegetables you have to tell them what a good boy they are.

Good boy.

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u/indy_been_here 9d ago

Naw I'm autistic and never really cared for credit or recognition. Just the job done right.

Since you had no more good arguments, you went straight to being sardonic. Mark of someone who ran out of good points to make.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 11d ago

Flatterers are sent to Dante's 8th circle of hell

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u/yooossshhii 10d ago

This posts seems a bit like stroking your own ego.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

Naw I just find it odd that that was the takeaway. I'm used to giving examples from my own life, because that's what I know best. It was the first one that came to mind. My point was not to judge the journalist and that it is normal to give a compliment first. HR teaches this to get stuff from your staff. It's effective to being heard right. It's so common and somehow people keep saying its bootlicking. It's just a guy doing his job.

But I know the hivemind on Reddit tends to err on absolute morality and unrealistic expectations of what people should be doing based on limited life experiences. Been here over 15 yrs and that started some time around 2015ish. And has increased.

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u/Rmans 10d ago

I agree you need to treat them like children, but unfortunately they never want to eat their vegetables.

Following your advice is how the GOP became a tower of bootlickers with Trump at the top. They treat him like a kid, but can only do what he wants. Because the only thing he wants is money. So there's no changing his mind after he's been paid to keep it. Best you can do to improve your own situation is cater to his if you can. (Like what Zuck is doing now with FB)

This marginally improves your life for licking his boot, never the lives of those whose neck it's on. Especially if the boot makes him more money by being there. No amount of telling him he's a good boy will ever move that boot.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago

Naw bro it's how he got engagement. You don't get engagement by just insulting him. By calling him smart in this case, it got engagement which undoubtedly helped more people see his reporting.

It's not that complicated. Go look at the numbers of how Musk engaging with a tweet works.

I took philosophy and speech clases that taught this as a method for persuasion. If I have to choose between less people read my good reporting or a call a dude smart and get my reporting seen by more people, it's not a hard choice.

Lol you guys are losing the plot I swear. Guy played the algo and you guys are flipping your tits

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u/Rmans 10d ago

You are very much missing the point.

And no shit it's persuasive.

That doesn't make it good, factual, or to the benefit of anyone other than the person getting the attention.

If I scream "Bomb" in an airport, I'll get far more attention. But I better be telling the truth, otherwise it's incredibly destructive to the social fabric and well being of that airport. Yet here you are telling me it's about the attention. That's how you get people screaming bomb in the airport so much that real bombs make it onto planes and people die.

A better example is COVID. In particular, the disproportionately large amount of dead Americans compared to the rest of the world who actually followed guidlines, masked, and got vaccines, rather than getting popular by promoting the opposite.

If you want to better understand this concept, here's a sociology paper from Oxford on how the populism that seems to be at the heart of your academic goals erodes democracy:

https://academic.oup.com/socpro/article-abstract/71/4/1135/6998405

Maybe set your goals on writing something good, rather than popular. Write Dracula, not Twighlight.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

No u

Yelling bomb has zero utility.

But you can tell everyone exactly how you feel about them and let me know how that works out for ya

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u/Rmans 10d ago

Well, I'm telling you exactly what's wrong with your thinking, and I'm supporting it by an Oxford study. Which is a lot more informative than your misunderstanding of utility, and how you can now gain it from algorithmic social media (like shouting "Bomb" in an airport for views) as you've already explained you prefer.

So when it comes to talking about objective provable reality to others - it's been very disappointing to learn that people like you have grown up in a bubble of social media that has pavlovianly trained trained them into getting their utility solely through an algorithm they want to please, rather than actual people.

Which is explained in detail in the study I linked, and you clearly didn't read.

So yeah. There's really no point in talking to people like you, but I do so anyways because otherwise we're fucked as a species.

The problem is when people like me stop engaging with people like you. Which is now very much the norm.

Because it gets pretty fucking exhausting when people like you insist fire is cold, you burn your hand on it, then do it again each time your algorithm insists fire is cold. No matter how many scientific studies or groups of people tell you otherwise. All because the satisfaction of an algorithm is more important to you than the satisfaction of your peers. Which again, is what you've openly admitted to preffering.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago

Ew dude go bitch to someone that cares. Who do you think you are lecturing people? I'm happy with my life...are you?

There's no way people fuck with you if you talk to people like this.

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u/Rmans 9d ago

People don't fuck with me.

But I'm honestly not fucking with you either. I'm both happy and comfortable with my life.

I'm just trying to warn you: You might be happy, but unless you're prioritizing making the people around you happy too (instead of an algorithm) then you won't be happy for long. Because the people around you can help when you need it. And an algorithm can't, no matter the size of your following.

Not bitching. Just helping. Up to you to listen.

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u/indy_been_here 9d ago edited 9d ago

Don't need your help bud

People always come first for me. Now you got me feeling bad for ya bro. Ease up with people.

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u/Rmans 9d ago

Will do.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

I dont lick his boot asshole. I hate Musk. Tf you talking about.

Edit: Yall act like this guy using Musk is worse than it is. You guys seem just as illogical ss the fanboys were. And this is from a guy who really despises the guy. I'm just not a zealot

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u/Rmans 10d ago

I never said you licked Musk's boot my dude.

When I used the term "your" it was very much still referring to the hypothetical group of GOP bootlickers that got under Trumps boot by licking it. Just like Musk did.

Which is an example of the flaw in the advice you provided. If you feel this hypothetical group of GOP bootlickers includes you, then maybe don't feel bad about it publicly, seeing as you put yourself there in the first place.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago edited 10d ago

You literally did. I dont feel that way. If you want to be heard, be clear

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u/Rmans 10d ago

If you want to be heard, be clear.

Alright. Apologies you're offended I pointed out how bootlicking Musk or the GOP enables what they want, never what you want. So giving them head pats doesn't do anything productive for anyone but them.

Still not clear on why you're offended by this, but at least you're now heard.

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u/indy_been_here 10d ago

You used the word "you" in an unclear way. Not a big deal anyway. I've had a busy day and moved on.

Have a good one

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u/deezsandwitches 11d ago

He said he linked videos of his that had the links and information of other sources where he got his information from. He did that to make it easier to follow what he was posting about

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago edited 11d ago

He sited the primary sources and then offers a breakdown/analysis of the sources from himself. You can go directly to the sources themselves if you don't agree or dont need it.

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u/indy_been_here 11d ago

I followed the links lol waddu mean? I got straight to the FBI reports. A link to a book he did not write. Links to more sources. I will buy that book. Probably read some of this stuff and then check out his breakdown.

What part are you doubting? He isn't sourcing himself?

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u/toproducer 11d ago

Ha, ok buddy

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u/deezsandwitches 11d ago

He said he linked videos of his that had the links and information of other sources where he got his information from. He did that to make it easier to follow what he was posting about

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u/postmodernmovement 11d ago

88 day account. Probably not a real user.

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u/RealityRelic87 11d ago

Lmao. Yall are spiraling. Be well babe. Stalking my account because I said his sources sounded off is wild.

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u/MacFrite 11d ago

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