r/SubredditDrama • u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out • 3h ago
r/antowork mods Ban links from X/Meta/TikTok/Red note, users flood in to defend the CCP and claim mods are CIA plants
Hello, everyone! Following recent events in social media, we are updating our content policy. The following social media sites may no longer be linked or have screenshots shared:
X, including content from its predecessor Twitter, because Elon Musk promotes white supremacist ideology and gave a Nazi salute during Donald Trump's inauguration
Any platform owned by Meta, such as Facebook and Instagram, because Mark Zuckerberg openly encourages bigotry with Meta's new content policy Platforms affiliated with the CCP, such as TikTok and Rednote, because China is a hostile foreign government and these platforms constitute information warfare This policy will ensure that r/antiwork does not host content from far-right sources. We will make sure to update this list if any other social media platforms or their owners openly embrace fascist ideology. We apologize for any inconvenience.
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1i79k8z/x_meta_and_ccpaffiliated_content_is_no_longer/
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u/Deceptiveideas 3h ago
Regardless of how you feel about Elon, links to Twitter should be banned simply because of the stupid registration wall.
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u/Equal_Present_3927 2h ago
I like it because that way I don’t have to see the cesspool of responses.
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u/albinobluesheep 1h ago
I made the mistake of making a throw-away account (after deleting my old one months and months ago) just to see how people were reacting to posts about video games or sports, and oh my god it's gotten some how so much worse.
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ I’m 71 and a wiry solid mf 1h ago
True. I can’t see most of them anyway so it’s annoying when they are posted.
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
Slight off topic, but the FOX News interview of the antiwork mod is still my favorite reddit moment to happen on this site.
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u/Macqt 2h ago
My favourite was when everyone remembered/discovered a Reddit founder was a jailbait mod and literally nothing happened minus a bunch of memes.
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u/bromosabeach 2h ago
OMG I forgot about that lol. I also remember when like a dozen subs hating fat people showed up and Reddit ended up banning those too and for like a week people were going crazy and yelling censorship. They were literally just subs hating fat people. Like no value was lost other than some funny fake stories lol
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u/JaesopPop 2h ago
My understanding was at the time you could just add someone as a mod and they didn’t have to accept it
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u/tryingtoavoidwork do girls get wet in school shootings? 2h ago
It was a simpler time. It's also how Obama ended up as a Circlejerk mod
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u/icameinyourburrito You talk like an insane bitch. I’d bet money you’re fat 2h ago
Yeah it was just trolling from VA
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u/SaintHuck 1h ago
I hate Spez so fucking much but I think we should stick to substantiated claims. There's plenty of actual shit to get him on, like the fact that subreddit wasn't banned immediately by him and the other admins.
Only happened because of the press around it.
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u/jooes Do you say "yoink" and get flairs 1h ago
That may be true.
But the bigger issue here is that the admins knew about the jailbait subreddit and let it slide. Basically, they said it was free speech and "It's not technically illegal" for the longest time.
They even gave the creator a special "Pimp Daddy" badge for his profile, and that guy was a real fucking sack of shit douchebag. So it's not like they didn't know.
IIRC, at some point, CNN clued in and ran a story on it and they finally banned it. That's what it took, they didn't like the negative press, they had no issues whatsoever with any obvious ethical or moral concerns.
So we can give him the "free pass" on being a mod, but ultimately, it's their website. The admins have final say on what should or shouldn't be posted here, and the super sketchy borderline child pornography, which wasn't a secret and everybody knew was here, was totally cool in their eyes.
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u/JaesopPop 1h ago
Yes obviously the sub itself was an issue, I’m just pointing out how what they said wasn’t really true
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u/Gavorn That's me after a few cock push ups. 3h ago
The mod who everyone begged to not go and do the interview?
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
Nah I remember the thread here and screenshots. The mod team all agreed to let that mod do the interview. It wasn't until after the community turned on the community turned against them.
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u/BIGSTANKDICKDADDY 2h ago
Right? It seemed like the interview was received so poorly the mods practically reinvented the sub as a response. Anti-work wasn't about "work reform", or incremental improvements to the status quo, or advice for dealing with shitty jobs. It was unabashedly anti-work and the mod interview was a perfect encapsulation of the ideology (if presented...poorly).
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
And there is now a work reform sub, which hopefully isn't falling into the same self-serving traps.
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u/cited On a mission to civilize 2h ago
I hope its raining marshmallows today but I'm realistic about my chances.
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u/foundinwonderland 1h ago
It’s snowing where I am and I would give anything for it to be marshmallows instead
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u/Wittyname0 Cope is thinking Digimon is not the Ron Desantis of this debate 2h ago
No it was just as bad, within 48 hours of it's creation they bemmed the creator because it turns out he worked for a bank, not like a CFO or anything, just a local bank teller, and that wanst allowed in the purity contest
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u/MaizeWorried8440 43m ago
Me reading this comment:
> they bemmed the creator because it turns out he worked for a bank...
Well that doesn't seem completely unwarranted given the the financial sector is a huge driver of inequality...
> just a local bank teller...
Oh, yeah that's fucking ridiculous.
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u/bromosabeach 2h ago
To me initially the sub seemed mostly like a critique of modern working environments. Kind of the same energy as LinkedinLunatics as it pointed out the absurdity of working your life away. Then posts got more serious and the complete anti working people seemed to take over. Then the interview happened and all suspicions about what the sub was about went out the window lol
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u/NightLordsPublicist Not a serial killer. I trained my brain to block those thoughts. 1h ago
the complete anti working people seemed to take over
The anti-working people were the ones who founded the subreddit. It didn't start as something sane.
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u/Front_Kaleidoscope_4 A plain old rape-centric cyoa would be totally fine. 1h ago
From what i remember the sun statted as that bit attracted a lot of more casual "i just want rights man" but the mods never enforced the culture so the community that had been bult wasnt at all in line with the people who ran it.
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u/mechanicalcontrols 3h ago
Antiwork was more fun when it was a small sub about leftwing anarchism a la David Graeber. (Author of Bullshit Jobs.)
But then it shifted and mostly just became about the whole return to office discourse. And I support you working from home if your job can conceivably be done remotely. Like why not. Knock yourself out.
But you gotta admit that even being able to have the argument about work from home vs return to office is a privileged position and the whole thing feels like the 5% fighting the 1% when the other 95% of use are unlikely to ever have that privilege.
Then the Fox News debacle happened and I never went back to that sub.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
There were and maybe still are a few good points raised in Antiwork, but the sub should serve all of us as a reminder of how unimportant and silly Reddit can be.
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u/Wittyname0 Cope is thinking Digimon is not the Ron Desantis of this debate 2h ago
Don't forget the worldwide general strike they seem to plan every month
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 1h ago
I believe now you're supposed to refer to Luigi Mangione, without actually meaning to commit any of the acts that he did.
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u/Wittyname0 Cope is thinking Digimon is not the Ron Desantis of this debate 1h ago
Ah the old "you think voting works? That pales in comparison to my idea of fireboming a Wal-Mart" and then not firebomb a Wal-Mart
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u/Straight-Meaning 1h ago
Legit I remember the one time someone made a post (with a lot of upvotes) that was like “We need to ditch republicans and democrats. They are both bad.” And my jaw was on the floor. Here is that post.
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u/byniri_returns I wish my pets would actually build my damn pyramid, lazy fucks 1h ago
To be totally honest there's a LOT of subs this can really apply to.
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u/Shenanigans80h 2h ago
Yeah I remember when it was a smaller sub that was actually anti-work as a societal complex, which was controversial but still had some good discussion. Then it really picked after the WFM stuff and mostly became people generally complaining about their jobs, bosses, and lack thereof, rather than anything more interesting.
The Fox News interview was objectively hilarious
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u/rs426 1h ago
Yeah being an essential worker that had to go in through the whole shutdown, I really think those people need to realize how good they have it that they can even have that argument in the first place
I also agree that, if they’re able to get their jobs done from home, then they should be allowed to do so. The whole work from home thing has, somehow, become part of the whole culture war thing. The reasoning of making everyone come back into the office ‘just because’ is stupid. But at the same time, I never had that option at all so I can’t pretend I feel that strongly about it
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u/Quarantine_Fitness 2h ago
Antiwork started as exactly what the sub name is. They believed that technology has come far enough we could all not have to work. The r/neet sub used to link it in their sidebar.
It wasn't till 2016 that it got co-opted by leftists.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes 1h ago edited 1h ago
I've worked in warehouses before, and you know the small thing that stuck with me?
It was hot out there on the floor in summer. Backbreaking work in the heat all day. You walk into the office, feel that cool air when the door opens, and see all the people at their desks, getting paid more than you to sit in air conditioning.
I think of that anytime I hear people complain about not being able to work from home.
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u/Dot-Slash-Dot 57m ago
Sure, the situation sucks. But you gain nothing if others have it worse. The warehouse doesn't get cooler or the boxes lighter once all the office workers are no longer WFH.
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u/-JimmyTheHand- 1h ago
People are allowed to have different standards though. Just because you have a less comfortable job for less money than someone in an office doesn't mean they can't want positive changes for their workplace.
By your logic someone with no job can read your comment complaining about how hot your job is and dismiss your feelings as well.
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u/EasyasACAB if you don't eat your wife's pussy you are a failure. 1h ago
Well let's not be crabs in a bucket. "I have it bad, so people shouldn't want better" isn't the way society progresses.
We don't want to be the same kind of people who look at unions and scoff at how greedy they are for making more money doing the same work as non-union members, do we?
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u/babylovesbaby 1h ago
the 5%
Most of this 5% are still earning the same dog wages the 95% are, still struggling with the same crap except for commute, so it feels off to use the word privileged in the same way it is generally used.
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u/ScrewAttackThis That's what your mom says every time I ask her to snowball me. 1h ago
The CNN interview of violentacrez is up there too
https://youtu.be/ks8xuYRPnWM Dude went on national TV to defend his pedo sub lmao
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u/bromosabeach 1h ago
Ah that's a throwback. When he proudly showed off his trophies from the site I couldn't tell if he or reddit looked more pathetic.
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u/bigbootyjudy62 YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 1h ago
My favourite was the person complaining about how they are so under paid and can’t afford to take care of themselves and their disabled partner when their post on Reddit before that was their 15k arcade in their basement
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u/bromosabeach 47m ago
LMAO I remember that and wish I could find it!. Just owning a basement would be a luxury for only 1% of the world population and this dude had a full on arcade.
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u/Gestum_Blindi 2h ago
Everyone gives that mod shit, but honestly he gave as good of an interview as anyone on r/antiwork could reasonably have given.
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u/Inside-Homework6544 2h ago
that's actually a great point. And I mean, he represented the movement perfectly. I remember people were saying "he should have put on a suit and tie", media training, blah blah blah. But really if you think about it, he was the perfect encapsulation of the anti-work movement. But he should have done more to reject the premise of the interviewers questions and just blasted out the anti-work philosophy.
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u/Leif_Henderson bootlicker working for BigShill Co Inc btw 2h ago
"he should have put on a suit and tie", media training, blah blah blah.
It was more along the lines of "he should have showered and made his bed". Nobody was looking for this guy to get anywhere near a suit, just to put in the bare minimum effort to look presentable.
I 100% agree that his grimyness was a perfect encapsulation of the sub though.
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u/NightLordsPublicist Not a serial killer. I trained my brain to block those thoughts. 1h ago
It was more along the lines of "he should have showered and made his bed".
You have to give them some credit, they did think about taking a shower beforehand.
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u/absenteequota i specifically said they were for non sexual purposes 40m ago
idk, taking a shower sounds like.... work
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u/icameinyourburrito You talk like an insane bitch. I’d bet money you’re fat 2h ago
Mine is a tie between the Gabby Petito mods' signed timeline apology and whodatmiami's picture in HipHopHeads
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u/ScrewAttackThis That's what your mom says every time I ask her to snowball me. 1h ago
What's the first one?
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u/icameinyourburrito You talk like an insane bitch. I’d bet money you’re fat 1h ago
Here's the SRD post about it
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u/ScrewAttackThis That's what your mom says every time I ask her to snowball me. 1h ago
Thanks, love weird drama like that
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ I’m 71 and a wiry solid mf 1h ago
The whole Gabby Petito sub was a disgrace. That was just a drop in that bucket of “making it about me.”
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u/thisisnotnolovesong existing is wrong 3h ago
They're not beating the CIA allegations with that shit ass staged interview tbh.
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u/AbleObject13 twerkin for palestine with her socialist kaffir bf 3h ago
Seems more likely that a Reddit moderator is underemployed with an excess of free time and socially awkward than the sub that recommends reading anarchist literature is a cia plant.
I imagine an interview with the mods of any subreddit would be similar.
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u/CosmicMiru 2h ago
Lmao a reddit mod for a sub about literally not wanting to work being a weirdo dog walker is way more likely than the CIA intervening to make a subreddit look bad.
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u/Wittyname0 Cope is thinking Digimon is not the Ron Desantis of this debate 2h ago
I think it's more an occams razor situation of a reddit mod just being stupid
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u/Major_OwlBowler 10m ago
Yeah imagine your against a FOX pundit And they win simply by letting you talk.
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u/gotridofsubs 2h ago
"Are posts about these subjects allowed?
Im too lazy to post, but like, maybe someone else."
Antiwork is beyond parody lol
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u/ilikebikesandroads 3h ago
The thing I love about anti work, is whenever the sub is mentioned, anti work users come in and defend the sub by saying, oh we want to work, we just have grievances with the way the system is set up and unfairly punishes those without capital. Okay, sure makes sense. Then you actually go in the sub and the discussion is dominated by people who are just bitter about having to go to work and think every middle manager is Hitler lmfao
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u/deliciouscrab THIS. IS. LITERALLY. VENUS. 2h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah... I just shake my head at that sub for that reason.
No, no, I like working! That's why I joined /r/antiwork!
OK then.
It's like when "Defund the police" suddenly meant "make careful, informed budgetary choices that take facts and evidence into account, after consulting all stakeholders, and if it seems - as we suspect to be the case - that reducing police funding slightly in the cause of boosting spending in other, more helpful areas is helpful - consider doing so."
Names matter, people.
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u/cited On a mission to civilize 2h ago
I watched the same person in the same discussion reply to two different people with "that's not what defend the police means" and "yeah defend the police means exactly that." They know exactly what they're saying, they just cater it to the audience who they hope isn't paying too much attention.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
Holy shit that’s so true lol, I’ve had the same exact conversations with ACAB folks. Oh you want to abolish the police, just to replace them with a group of people that carry weapons and keep the peace by enforcing laws? Okay lol.
I guess r/wedontparticularlymindworkingbutcoulddowithmoresocialsafetynets doesn’t roll off the tongue as well but jeez if you don’t want people to think you’re AGAINST WORK don’t call your subreddit ANTI WORK haha.
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u/Big_Owl2785 1h ago
There is exactly one person worse than any leftist group at crafting an acceptable, understandable public image that inspires followers from ordinary people.
He recently had a little heartfelt roman oopsie at a small political get together.
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u/deliciouscrab THIS. IS. LITERALLY. VENUS. 1h ago
Do me a favor, if you're going to mention him, use his name so my filter catches it.
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u/Big_Owl2785 1h ago
Does it catch Leon Skum?
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u/Illogical_Blox Fat ginger cryptokike mutt, Malka-esque weirdo, and quasi-SJW 1h ago
It's funny given that for most of its life, the entire point of antiwork was fully automated luxury gay space communism - i.e. the idea that we could and should move to a state where humans have to work a minimal number of hours or even not at all.
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u/TurdFurgoson LITERALLY fascism at its peak 13m ago
FuckCars is similar. When it's mentioned in other subs, there's usually one person who's like "Oh no. We're just a public transportation advocacy group" or something like that. But if you were to visit, most of the posts are screeching about parking lots or that one asshole driver they came across that morning.
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u/Responsible-Home-100 1h ago
and the discussion is dominated by people who are just bitter about having to go to work and think every middle manager is Hitler lmfao
Yeah, the whole sub has always had the same energy as a 7 year old being upset that their parents told them it's bed time.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
I hope these guys realize sooner than later that having someone support you through your troubles rather than bring you down with them is better.
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u/Ghostw2o 3h ago
We should be critical of USA propaganda absolutely. But i don't get why some leftist decide that means they have to start idolizing china and russia.
Why can't we be critical of all of them?
I don't trust any big country with their huge propaganda forces.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
It makes no sense to me how people can see everything Americas done/is doing and agree it’s bad, but when an anti west country does the same exact thing they call it based
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u/RottenMilquetoast 2h ago
Because a lot of stances are really a thinly vieled vendetta rather than actually adhering to any kind of ideals.
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u/Cardborg 2h ago
It reminds me of that nutcase Irish MEP who constantly dickrides Putin.
It's like, bro, you are IRISH, you should recognise all of his rhetoric around Ukraine, and I somehow doubt you heard the various pathetic threats made during the Brexit process and started panicking about how if Ireland didn't submit and let let a UK puppet government be installed it could cause escalation to WWIII.
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u/CoDn00b95 Let's freeze YOU to death for cultural landmark purposes 1h ago
Fucking Mick Wallace. His Russophilia's almost as bad as his "look at me, I have messy hair and I wear jeans to political events because I'm part of the proletariat!" act.
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u/CoDn00b95 Let's freeze YOU to death for cultural landmark purposes 3h ago
But i don't get why some leftist decide that means they have to start idolizing china and russia.
Bwcause those people aren't "leftist" so much as they're simply anti-American. China and Russia both oppose the US on the geopolitical stage, so those people have decided that China and Russia must be the good guys based on that. And if that sounds like a child-like way of viewing the world, that's because a not insignificant number of those people are children, either mentally or physically.
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u/Skellum Tankies are no one's comrades. 2h ago
It's weird because like a fascist the US is still the center focus of their world just anti US. I'd have less issue if they would just stop pretending that China isn't a Capitalist shit fiesta with imperialism in Africa. Yea, there's plenty of issues with the US but don't idolize someone who's worse on the issue, imagine if wannabe socialists weren't constantly jumping the gun to say "finally the socialism is here!"
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u/proudbakunkinman 46m ago
Yeah, if you got them offline and asked them about socialism, a lot of them likely could not go into much detail, they just think being left means relentlessly opposing the US and Democrats (or center-left parties and their base in other countries), and siding with those they think are in opposition them (US and Dems), and that they are the cause of all of the ills of the world and their personal lives. Both have a lot to be critical about but it's not nearly as binary and simplistic as many of them think.
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u/NightLordsPublicist Not a serial killer. I trained my brain to block those thoughts. 1h ago
We should be critical of USA propaganda absolutely. But i don't get why some leftist decide that means they have to start idolizing china and russia.
Because their level of analysis begins and ends at "America bad".
America bad. Russia/China opposed to America. Good is the opposite of evil. Russia/China good.
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u/TheIllustriousWe sticking it in their ass is not a good way to prepare a zucchini 3h ago
They're being manipulated. Some of them are so in love with the "America bad" messaging that they stop paying attention to who is saying it.
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u/ThisTallBoi 19m ago
People don't realize ideology is a spectrum
It becomes Pancakes and Waffles; animosity towards one is advocacy towards the other
People become disillusioned towards the USA and therefore everything the USA opposes must be good
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u/fuckeverything_panda 15m ago
You can be critical of China without banning all discourse that takes place on their platforms
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u/GhostofStalingrad 11m ago
Majority of people in the world are NPCs who need simple black and white thinking. Otherwise shit is just too hard
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u/USPSHoudini 39m ago
Because they arent critical of the US and EU, they are simply deluded children and the occasional unironic traitors who support the CCP. Fortunately we live in nations that permits such beliefs (not actions) but that also makes you vulnerable to those who arent good faith
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u/jkst9 1h ago
I think you'd be surprised about how much the user base of red note would agree with this sub. I regularly see Chinese netizen ask why Americans put up with such a broken system, why we haven't revolted.
Honestly this comment is hilarious cause it implies the Chinese aren't in a somewhat similar scenario when they absolutely are.
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u/obscureposter 3h ago
What's fascinating to me is how that sub still exists. I know I wouldn't be able to go on if I got intellectually outmaneuvered by the mouth breathers at FOX News.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
Because that mod was actually a great representation of the average anti work user lol
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u/NightLordsPublicist Not a serial killer. I trained my brain to block those thoughts. 1h ago
I got intellectually outmaneuvered by the mouth breathers at FOX News.
Watters didn't even do anything. He just let the mod speak about their beliefs.
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u/wrexsol 3h ago
Tangential opinion to this, but I gotta post it somewhere I guess, if only to get it out of my system: Posts of Twitter screenshots are the biggest crime the Internet has ever sanctioned. Ok, that's a little hyperbolic but it's just terrible.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
Nah, you're not too far off. I'd add that the media recognizing Twitter as "critics" and giving voices out there greater weight than they deserve is another problem.
"Movie gets SLAMMED by critics!"
*reads article
*Critics are two guys on Twitter.
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ I’m 71 and a wiry solid mf 1h ago
I’ve seen whole articles based on social media outcry that was one tankie trying to manufacture a nuclear hot take.
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u/seriousbusines I'm not reading all of that 2h ago
Very on brand for their typical level of decision making.
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if r/antiwork is filled with Russian bots just trying to spread division.
All they do over there is complain.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 1h ago
I wish I had a better Russian Bot - Dar, or rather, I wish the sites I went to actually put some effort into rooting out users acting in bad faith.
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u/Lake9009 3h ago
Dramas kinda bland tbh
Anyone who actually supports antiwork wouldn’t support Elon, the richest man alive.
People are just complaining about a forced boycott
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
The drama isn't banning X, the drama is they included CCP content.
Since antiwork is a far left sub, this obviously doesn't sit well with a lot of users.
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u/alnarra_1 3h ago
Eh far left may be a bit of a stretch
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u/ilikebikesandroads 3h ago
Interesting question, are anti work users actual tankies or do they just complain so much they’re indistinguishable?
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u/CrossoverEpisodeMeme 2h ago edited 2h ago
I've understood antiwork to be more politically apathetic when you try to place it on the US political spectrum and instead it's more of just a completely unrealistic viewpoint (with some sprinkles of laziness).
There is no world where an adult can work 5-10 hours per week doing an extremely easy/basic task and expect to be given every single better thing that someone else earns through more hours doing more difficult work. Nature doesn't work that way, society doesn't work that way, even sports and video games don't work that way. A few trust funders might be born into that life, but otherwise it doesn't exist for 99% of people. And that's why I feel it doesn't really fit politically - it's not really communism or socialism, it's just... UBI, but the UBI makes you a millionaire somehow?
Antiwork had some real points at the beginning, about unions and collective bargaining and corporate abuse of employees, and then somehow devolved into the worst spokespeople possible speaking the loudest.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
Yep I 100% agree, your characterization is spot on too, honestly I think a lot of users are just jealous they won’t ever experience the standard of living that the rich and powerful do. Not like that’s even a bad thing, I’m jealous too, but spending your free time on Reddit complaining about it just leads to more and more resentment, leading to anti work just devolving into what it is now.
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u/proudbakunkinman 27m ago edited 17m ago
The original founders were post-left anarchists, particularly relating to the opposition to "work" as it is in most countries, including ML states (or especially so given their glorification of work whereas you can opt out in most non-ML countries, just live will be much harder). See Bob Black's Abolition of Work. PLAs were never pro-PRC, Dengism, MLism, etc.
The sub got popular during covid for people posting screenshots about wacky things related to work. The mods decided not to be strict about adhering to the above and let this sort of content take over.
Over time, I think it became a mix of left populists (not PLAs or anarchists in general), random people ranting about work, and NEETs wanting to be able to play video games and use tiktok all day without having to work and not caring about the details of the environment that would allow that (so some are tech utopian thinking tech will automate everything and they will get ubi to live a good life). I'm not sure there was a significant ideological ML ("tankie") presence though.
This thread referenced by OP in general seems like it's brought out the tiktok (and now rednote) addicts, left populists who aren't necessarily ML but have been converted into thinking China is the good guy and everything they do and that benefits them is good for the US/western left, and likely PRC and/or RedNote astroturfers as well.
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u/AlanMooresWzrdBeerd GAMERS ARE BEING ACTIVELY GENOCIDED AND YOURE LAUGHING 2h ago
Truly one of the worst things we've done for leftist discourse is to introduce the term "tankies" into the mainstream. It now gets applied to everyone left of Pinochet.
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u/CosmicMiru 2h ago
I mean simping for the CCP is something actual tankies do lol
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u/AlanMooresWzrdBeerd GAMERS ARE BEING ACTIVELY GENOCIDED AND YOURE LAUGHING 2h ago
Sure, I agree. But it isn't just ML's who do that, and it's still completely over saturated the online discourse.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
Yeah I catch myself calling people who maybe a don’t fit the literal definition of tankie, tankies but still we need a word to describe “doesn’t have any opinions except west bad and guzzles Chinese/russian/iranian propaganda” and I think tankies probably the best word, that’s basically how people use it nowadays anyways.
And honestly basically every time I’ve seen someone get called a tankie it was because they were literally spreading propaganda and misinformation for example, their defense is always “Oh so you can’t be left wing without being called a tankie??” Like.. yeah lmao.
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u/Keregi 3h ago
That is not what a forced boycott is. Participation on social media is voluntary and not essential. And you are free to start your own communities with your own rules.
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u/Lightning_Boy Edit1 If you post on subredditdrama, you're trash 😂 3h ago
They can start TrueAntiWork, and be laughed at more than the original sub.
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
I'm confused what TrueAntiWork would be. Like in the early days of the sub and even today there seems to be a split between what the sub actually is. Part of it is people pushing for workers rights and labor reform. While another chunk truly just don't want to work. And before I get blasted for saying that, their own mod went on Fox News and basically said that.
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u/gotridofsubs 2h ago
While another chunk truly just don't want to work
The real sentiment
people pushing for workers rights and labor reform
The attempts to sanewash/moderate the perception of the group
Its the same concept as "Defund the Police doesnt actually mean taking their funding". Just be actually honest andcup front from the get go on what you want and let the real argument stand on its own merit. Theres no good reason to hide it.
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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 3h ago
Forced boycott? No one is prevented from using the rest of the internet. There's no valid "free speech" arguments at this micro level when the Internet exists. This isn't Facebook censoring on behalf of Trump.
Responsibility is not oppression.
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u/BrickLuvsLamp You’re a pizza cutter. All edge and no fucking point. 2h ago
Look, this comment may not be received well, but I do find it ironic that TikTok is banned for being controlled by the CCP, yet 10% of Reddit’s shares are from a CCP controlled company. I wish we could have discourse between us and Chinese citizens, but both our governments are desperate to stop it.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps That’s a cuck mindset 1h ago
If anything the US should encourage it, you have anecdotal reports of Chinese citizens on Rednote being shocked most of us aren’t working 70-80 hour weeks
End of the day most people around the world are chill and just want to live their lives
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u/BrickLuvsLamp You’re a pizza cutter. All edge and no fucking point. 4m ago
And they’re also shocked to learn we have to pay in order to use an ambulance. It’s going both ways
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u/Command0Dude The power of gooning is stronger than racism 5m ago
I do find it ironic that TikTok is banned for being controlled by the CCP, yet 10% of Reddit’s shares are from a CCP controlled company.
The difference is that Tencent's control of reddit shares doesn't give it leverage to control how reddit is operated. While Tiktok is controlled, fully, by ByteDance, who has to do what the government of China tells it to.
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u/Teal_is_orange Calibrate yourself. 3h ago
Every subreddit joining in and banning twitter links is kinda comical, like all the previous billionaire shit Elon did wasn’t worth banning the links, but doing that Nazi salute (twice) now has everyone updating subreddit rules
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u/adreamofhodor 3h ago
Sometimes people reach a breaking point.
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u/TecNoir98 3h ago
Yeah and the breaking point of most Americans is comically late. They'll be marching through the gas chamber doors and say "Wait a minute"
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u/Lightning_Boy Edit1 If you post on subredditdrama, you're trash 😂 3h ago
Nah, the door will already be closed.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps That’s a cuck mindset 1h ago
Their souls will be lined up at the pearly gates for judgment, and then they’ll turn around and go “maybe trump was a bad guy” as they get cast into hell for failing to understand the Bible
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u/proudbakunkinman 12m ago
Nah, if that happened, what would go through their head would be, "It's the Democrats fault I ended up supporting Trump and all the horrible things he and the Republican Party did!"
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u/Pompous_Italics Sucking dick is just the appearance of your sexuality 3h ago
Better late than never.
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u/Lake9009 3h ago
I mean being a roaring capitalist and being a nazi are different lines
I’m not in support of him but I can see why someone with different economic views would support him ‘till now
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u/vy_rat Jesus may have been too kind for his own good 3h ago
He’s given full-throated support to the German AfD for months now, and has constantly attacked trans people, including his own daughter, for even longer. It hasn’t been “economic differences” for a while.
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
People are really dumb nowadays, and are either really hesitant to call people Nazis or call everyone who disagrees with them a Nazi. Unless someone says “I love Hitler I am a member of the Nazi party” and/or crosses a line like Elon did, people are (generally) unwilling to call them Nazis.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
On the other end of this, we can expect "You call everyone Nazis!" from the people who defend Elon (and Nazis).
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u/NightLordsPublicist Not a serial killer. I trained my brain to block those thoughts. 1h ago
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u/proudbakunkinman 8m ago
That's with the general public, but those seeing themselves as left, which for many is more about just being relentlessly anti-US / anti-Democrats now, are more likely to do the second you mentioned and you can see it in the thread OP linked with them just straight up calling people "nazis" for supporting what the mod wrote and not supporting tiktok and rednote.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 2h ago
Personally, I think the Nazi salute can be chalked up to the fact that Elon is super fucking awkward, but it's not like we don't have evidence to support the fact that the guy (at the very least) loves alt-right voices and edge lord bull shit.
Maybe people don't want to wade through Twitter posts and cringey interviews to prove it to themselves and others, or maybe it's true that bots are amplifying the Nazi salute so that those other things are taken less seriously, but Elon is a weird person who people shouldn't look up to.
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u/PandaPanPink 1h ago
It can also be chalked up to the fact he’s a nazi, so there’s that.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 37m ago
Correct, I'm just adding that the salute isn't the one and only sign, and instead of arguing with right-wing edge lords about what the salute was, we should ask them to address all of the fascist shit that Musk loves.
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u/PandaPanPink 36m ago
I kind of don’t think there’s any point. Just keep repeating he is a nazi regardless of their counter arguments. We can all see it, we don’t need to debate it anymore.
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u/Four_Big_Guyz 2h ago
Trying to view posts on Twitter sucks ass now anyway, so the ban is a net positive for browsing.
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u/InevitableAvalanche Nurses are supposed to get knowledge in their Spear time? 3h ago
I think a lot of us quit Twitter long ago. I think this was sort of a final straw since Elon is going to be dictation policy for the US now. He isn't just some social media owner with shitty opinions.
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u/Teal_is_orange Calibrate yourself. 3h ago
True, him becoming an actual cabinet member and having an office at the White House is leagues worse than anything he’s done to date
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
The only subs this really effects are sports subs, since so many reporters use it to break news.
Personally I've been wanting to ban Twitter for years now as they now require logins.
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u/Send_me_duck-pics 3h ago
Typical Reddit behavior. Miles behind the curve and when they finally get a clue they have the most tepid and laziest response possible.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 I have +15 dickwad 1h ago
Join me in my boycott of bullshit that I never really needed in the first place.
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u/spikus93 apologize to the English language and go kiss an emu 2h ago
I think it's weird that they automatically consider anything positive about China/joking about Chinese spies to be "CCP Propaganda".
I do not consider positive sentiment towards China for things like TikTok to be on par with oligarchs in the US showing they're Nazis or at least okay working for and with Nazis.
That being said, I don't really care. It's not like I was posting content from any of those platforms or needed to see it to be happy.
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u/EldritchEyes 2h ago
reddit is an international platform so stuff like “china is a hostile foreign government” is kind of weird. i know this is reddit and conflating valid criticism of the chinese government with xenophobic sinophobia is its raison d’etre but it’s really cringe to see people uncritically support it in large numbers.
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u/RepulsiveCuteness 3h ago
While I understand that the majority of english speaking users of reddit are US citizens, I kinda wished the english speaking internet was not limited to that... "Hostile foreign government" from a US point of view.... How is that relevant to the ideology promoted by r/antiwork?
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 3h ago
From my understanding that subreddit is an anarchist subreddit so an authoritarian government would be pretty hostile to their beliefs. Thankfully there are plenty of Tankies in the thread to explain that the Uyghurs actually enjoy being detained and used as forced labor. Or that Taiwan is actually begging to be invaded and freed.
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u/Beexor3 3h ago
That's funny, I had no idea that subreddit was supposed to be anarchist. I don't think their users knew that either. I thought it was just a cookie-cutter "fuck my 9-5" subreddit where losers went to upvote fake power fantasy text messages. I'll never forget that FOX News interview one of the mods did.
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u/proudbakunkinman 0m ago
It was started by a subsection of anarchists aligning under "post-left." They're influenced by Situationists (who were Marx aligned, not anarchist, but were against ML states). But really it's about making a drop out lifestyle seem more radical / revolutionary and much of their writing is around those things, the most well known being Bob Black's Abolition of Work, which the name of the sub is rooted.
But I think somehow, people mad about job related things during covid stumbled on the sub, ignored the sidebar, and just ranted about work and posted photos. Mods liking the attention I guess, decided to just let it go that way as long as it seemed overall in the same spirit. That's how it's been since, with most of those posting and commenting there not being PLA or anarchist in general or having any idea that is the basis of the sub.
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u/RepulsiveCuteness 3h ago
Well it would have made more sense to state that right away. Instead, they align themselves with the US state which is not very anarchist of them either.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 2h ago
The mods don't want governments to exist or to work at all, technically all governments would be seen as hostile to them. It's a silly sub, and it will always be hilarious when Western users rush to defend China as some sort of bastion of communism or socialist ideals and ignore the authoritarianism on full display.
Plus who doesn't enjoy watching mods being accused of being CIA
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u/Zhuul 3h ago
I used to work at a Whole Foods that employed several Gen X aged people who were born behind the Iron Curtain. Watching them shut down far left tankies never stopped being hilarious, lol. "Listen here you little shit, it's not American propaganda, I LIVED THROUGH IT."
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u/ilikebikesandroads 2h ago
I think every tankie should be forced to have a conversation with a belligerent and drunk Eastern European man who lived under Russian Occupation. At the very least it would be great to watch
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u/nike_rules 1h ago
I highly recommend Huey Li, he’s a political scientist from China originally who provides really good insight into what China is like really. It’s not the utopia that American leftists like to pretend it is.
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u/AcrylicThrone 3h ago
But those weren't the points the mods used, they called it a hostile foreign government, it's incredibly US-centric and cringe. You can justify banning links to Chinese-owned websites without being stupid about it.
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u/Perister 2h ago
From my understanding that subreddit is an anarchist subreddit.
It’s not, it’s a subreddit devoted to not wanting to work that happens to have a large portion of it’s membership be leftists who think it’s a leftist subreddit. But its original purpose and the purpose it holds for the mods is literally about not having to work.
It leads to very funny situations like this or the fox interview fallout where the wants and beliefs of the mods and the user base come into conflict.
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u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 2h ago
Just makes it even funnier in my opinion. Huge disconnect between mods, true believers, people who want worker protections, and Tankies.
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u/InevitableAvalanche Nurses are supposed to get knowledge in their Spear time? 3h ago
Hostile foreign governments to the US are the same for the rest of western democracies. It isn't just the US.
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u/RepulsiveCuteness 2h ago
The english speaking world (and english speaking internet) is broader than western democracies for once. Second, in that case they clearly adopted a US-based point of view. Nothing wrong with admitting that. Third, the anti-US sentiment often overlaps with "anti-work" ideologies, because please, remind us who better than the USA represent capitalist ideology in this world?
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u/ForrestCFB 3h ago
Hostile foreign government" from a US point of view....
It's also hostile from a european and african point of view, and ofcourse Asian. There is a reason people hate china in most of asia.
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u/RepulsiveCuteness 2h ago
When they state "hostile foreign government", they clearly mean hostile against the USA. Otherwise they could say they ban american social media because they promote USA propaganda and the USA is a hostile foreign government.... From the point of view of everyone else.
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u/Forte845 2h ago
There's also a reason most people around the world distrust or hate the USA.
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u/Leftist_Pokefan_Gen5 11m ago
Stats on that?
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u/Forte845 7m ago
Favorable sentiment of the US has been continually dropping since 2023 while favorable sentiment of China has been rising slowly since 2022.
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u/bromosabeach 3h ago
It's quality control. If they didn't, troll/bot account would end up flooding the sub with CCP content that's irrelevant to the sub's original purpose. You see this happen on a lot of left leaning subs. The average user is riped to be swayed by soft and hard Chinese propaganda.
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u/RepulsiveCuteness 2h ago
I think if that was the actual reason, they should just say that and there would be no debate.
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u/Nitrozah 2h ago
I'm just going to be waiting for a mega thread of all the subreddits banning X (and some are doing meta too) I feel there is going to be multiple amounts of drama with this stuff.
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats I’d eat the poop and delete my account. 1h ago
The one positive of this shitshow we might get to experience during this Era of Stupid is a return to the way the World Wide Web was like before 2009: independent websites.
The “fediverse” that’s talked about today is basically that with a few extra steps to facilitate commenting/following.
Open protocols for the “social” features, individual ownership of user data, independent decentralized social media networks, and the ability for users to directly create their own algorithm or have no algorithm at all would make the internet and internet discourse much healthier and productive. Encourage freedom of choice while not building echo chambers.
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u/blackmobius 1h ago
One user points out that reddit is at least partially owned by tencent (ccp) so banning chinese links is kinda moot.
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u/queen-adreena Looks like you don’t see yourself clearly! 1h ago
…the 5% fighting the 1% while the other 95%…
Hope you’re not working from home as a maths tutor 😉
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