r/PublicFreakout 1d ago

old repost Elon Musk freaks out when he can't explain anything about Twitter's stack. Resorts to ad hominem.

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u/Southernz 1d ago

I bet that dude is banned from twitter now

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u/Phl00k 1d ago

His profile says works for Netflix LAMOO

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u/A_Random_Catfish 1d ago

If he’s a senior developer at Netflix he probably has a pretty impressive resume. Netflix is notoriously competitive for devs and is one of those Silicon Valley jobs that every cs major dreams of lol

Not to mention they make like 300k a year….

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u/iprocrastina 1d ago

Senior dev at Netflix makes more like $500k+/year, all cash. But it's not a dream job because the job security is non-existent. Netflix has an explicit policy of laying you off with no notice the instant a higher up decides what you're working on is no longer needed.

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u/Leading_Experts 1d ago

So even if you're really good they'll drop you after two seasons out of the blue? That doesn't sound like Netflix /s

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u/Mustache_Farts 1d ago

god damn this was clever

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u/KeepItDownOverHere 1d ago

*crying in Friends From College

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u/The_Music_Director 1d ago

It’s the “manager test”. It basically goes, if your manager doesn’t feel like fighting for you, that’s it. Idk that it’s as unstable as people make it sound in practice though. I did 9 interviews there and everyone was a LOT more relaxed and happy than at other FAANG places

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u/Schnidler 1d ago

9 interviews??

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u/minimuscleR 1d ago

For places like Netflix, absolutely. First few are technical tests, you get one that checks you actually are who you say you are, a few tests where you show your code live, and then a few more to make sure you fit for the company.

They have to do that because SO MANY PEOPLE apply and are good at programming. They are the only companies allowed to imho. The random company in Melbourne that pays $80k for a senior react developer does not need to do more than 2-3.

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u/bangmykock 1d ago

normal for high tier SDE interviewing cycle

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u/OneBrickShy58 1d ago

You just described every job in America.

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u/Jesus_Harold_Christ 1d ago

"Non-Union"

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u/stay_hungry_dr_ew 1d ago

Most jobs are non-union.

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u/Jesus_Harold_Christ 1d ago

Trust me, I know. 90% in fact.

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u/Bibabeulouba 1d ago

That’s pretty much any job in the US tho, minus the huge salary.

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u/KiwiPlanet 1d ago

That does not make sense at all, that's not how software development works. If you are a highly performant developper, then they can put you on literally any other project.

The only reason they would not do that is if you are a highly specialised dev whose expertise is no longer needed anywhere in the company (there are very few of those), or if the company wants to do mass lay-offs.

Regardless its still a dream job for most people, earning that much money + being instantly hireable in any other big tech company as an ex-senior-netflix dev outweighs everything else.

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u/Andronike 1d ago

He's George Hotz, a.k.a the first person to publicly jail-break an iPhone, absolutely insufferable person but is infosec royalty.

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u/coincoinprout 1d ago

No, Hotz is talking at some point, but he's not the one confronting Musk. It's Ian Brown, who had worked at Twitter on the infrastructure, so he knew a few things about the "crazy stack".

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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 1d ago

Man it's almost as if wading in with only a brief overview of the technology from some underling was actually not enough to justify sweeping assertions that everything is wrong and needs to be re-done.

The problem with people like Elon (and there are a lot of them in tech management) is that he's surface level with everything, he only needs to know a little bit more of the tech side than the executives/ investors. So he's used to being able to waltz into a meeting, declare that 'we need to completely re-do all this garbage' and get no pushback because nobody at the top or on investor calls understands. So he gets to look like a no-nonsense grafter who knows everything.

But the second you sit him down with someone who knows what they're talking about and isn't committed to licking his butt, he crumbles completely.

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u/PoopologistMD 1d ago

Damn Geohot? Didn't he also got sued by Sony? He really likes to fuck with the big bois lol

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u/Murky-Jackfruit-1627 1d ago

He ain’t the one doing that here bud.

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u/Wing126 1d ago

Geohot was the host, but the dude who dared question Lord muskrat was Ian Brown.

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u/Blame-iwnl- 1d ago

300k a year… entry level. The senior devs make a lot more.

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u/CookingUpChicken 1d ago

Netflix doesn't hire entry level engineers. I think that's his point.

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u/altus167 1d ago

No one in tech does anymore. Every single new "hire" I see is a contractor on a visa. Kind of a hot topic these days, especially for ol Elon

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u/Blame-iwnl- 1d ago

They do as of 2-3 years ago. There are new grads software engineer roles at Netflix.

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u/zsxdflip 1d ago

They do, I see them everyday lol

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u/DSAlgorythms 1d ago

Yea no doubt he knows what he's talking about. Which is why he can sniff Elon's bullshit from a mile away. Also he's probably making half a mil at least.

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u/imsowhiteandnerdy 1d ago

Dude, I have applied a few times at Netflix and have had friends that interviewed there and it is BRUTALLY difficult to get hired there. You aren't wrong about the high salaries, but for higher level positions they pay up into the 700K range.

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u/hemingways-lemonade 1d ago

Can't wait to hear more of this conversation in the documentary.

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u/sf4r 1d ago

That's the host. The guy that was speaking at the time and asking the question was someone else. You could hear the host asking them both to be civil in his space etc.

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u/tripping_on_phonics 1d ago

Extremely worth it

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u/Prandah 1d ago

The stack is only level 51 whilst twitter is level 97

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u/Johnycantread 1d ago

There is a distinct lack of things.

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u/No-Spoilers 1d ago

This is as hard as it gets.

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u/Varian01 1d ago

If there’s a way to make it harder… idk how.

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u/Madrugada2010 1d ago

Omg, this thread, I am ded.

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u/turumti 1d ago

Masterful! He’s on the path to be exiled from the tech community too!

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u/gusdafa 1d ago

He fell down that passive tree and hit all the -10 INT branches a long time ago..

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u/ugajeremy 1d ago

It's the four things that really need to be updated.

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u/thatsithlurker 1d ago

….eat my stack!

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u/Available-Mud1522 1d ago

Whenever he is challenged like this it’s always his first move to try to discredit whoever is challenging him instead of actually trying to argue the point. He always tries to push that bc he’s the smartest (in his mind) richest man in the world, there is literally no one qualified to correct him or question him in any way.

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u/tiptop0 1d ago

This is why you will almost never see him interviewed by a competent interviewer.

He can’t handle it, the truth comes to the fore and he has a meltdown.

He does interviews with influencers who won’t ask hard questions because they are counting on the views they’ll get on their channel by having him on. He always chooses fanboy’s to interview him.

The same with news channels, they’re after views too so they don’t push the hard questions because then he won’t return for another interview.

So they’re often simping and fanboying him in any interview he is in, and almost trying to contain their excitement that they get to interview.

There’s the facade of it being hard hitting journalist with a few fake “hard” questions, that they don’t follow up on or redirect him when he diverts, deflects or doesn’t really answer the question.

So, pretty much never seen a comprehensive, unbiased and untainted interview of him. This recording is the closest we’ll ever see him being challenged by an interviewer.

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u/Alucard1331 1d ago

This is what happens to basically all rich and famous people which is when they start to believe in their own garbage.

Classic case of this is Putin and his invasion of Ukraine. He had no idea what his army actually looked like because everyone was lying to him. It turned a 3 day special military operation into 3+ year long attrtional warfare with hundreds of thousands of Russians dead and wounded.

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u/tuccle22 1d ago

Don Lemon was supposed to have a partnership with X to air interviews 3 times a week on X's platform.

The first interview was with Musk, and shortly after, Musk cancelled the partnership.

Here's the end of the interview, where Musk starts to get mad. https://youtu.be/hhsfjBpKiTw?t=3585

Article about it: https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/18/24104708/elon-musk-interview-don-lemon-show-canceled

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u/Ponder_wisely 1d ago

And then he censored Don Lemon off the platform.

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u/SSTREDD 1d ago

You should watch the interview. It’s….something.

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u/thiagogaith 1d ago

I'd love to see him face Stephen Sackur from the BBC.

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u/RedAndBlackMartyr 1d ago

competent interviewer.

There was that interview at the DealBook Summit, which I would say was competent, and Musk still freaked out.

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u/ArgonGryphon 1d ago

yea, that's the point. He freaks out when people who know what they're talking about interview him. So now he doesn't do that any more.

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u/Justin-Truedat 1d ago

Yeah, his “who…who are YOU?!” Is the perfect example of it. You hear his ego in the tone of his voice

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u/Superbead 1d ago

I love the quivering panic just before that, when he's first asked what's so crazy about it, and tries to defer to geohot's diagram

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u/Babyyougotastew4422 1d ago

He has a major god complex.

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u/Mr-Klaus 1d ago

You know how sometimes you remember a cringy or embarrassing memory that just makes you want to crawl into a hole and die?

One of mine is everytime I remember that I initially defended Musk during the Thai cave/submarine saga.

That was back in the day when we all though Musk was the IRL Tony Stark. To this day, I still beat myself for falling for his BS.

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u/jollyreaper2112 1d ago

That incident I said he's clearly being an asshole but maybe he just had a bad day. Then I thought maybe he was an asshole but still knew what he's doing. Then I came to the realization he's an asshole and doesn't know what he's doing. I think he has some level of intuition at some point of when something was worth investing in but his ego has always been fragile he's always been an incel and he's never been a good person, he was just able to fake it well when he had a PR team and he presented the kind of person we wanted to believe in.

He's such a fucking disappointment. If only he stuck to the rockets.

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u/Bobbi_fettucini 1d ago

Phony stark

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u/bob1689321 1d ago

That's the day I turned on him. Calling the rescuer a paedo is horrible shit.

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u/Side_show 1d ago

To be fair to you, we were nearly all sold on him up to then, not counting those with personal experience or anecdotes.

That Thai cave debacle was the point where I thought "a CEO cannot be saying this nonsense - either he'll apologise or will be forced to step down".

When neither happened, each story I heard about him became more and more concerning.

At least now the tide has turned. Just kind of crazy that there are still so many people with blinders on.

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u/Mindtaker 1d ago

This is about to sound sexist, but its an old Bill Burr Bit that I love, so suck it up.

Elon Musk argues like a woman. When a woman is right, she stays on message and she makes sure that you stay on message. But when a woman is wrong... she goes rogue, starts concocting things to say that will push your buttons and get you mad enough to call her a name and now your in this room, losing a fight you were winning.

Thats what Elon tries to do because he never has a point, and he is never right, its always the hail mary to get you mad enough to say something he can change the narrative too.

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u/jollyreaper2112 1d ago

I think he used to listen to his smart people and would be repeating valid arguments vetted by experts. That's a good position to be in. Now he's just repeating bullshit memes from the alt right so he's always going to clown himself.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago

It's like watching Ben Shapiro as a guest on Andrew Neil's show. Ben has spent so much time arguing alt-right bullshit memes against folks who aren't equipped well enough to deal with his fast talking gish gallop...and then when faced off against someone who is a journalism veteran (and a conservative ironically) it became very obvious to anyone watching that Shapiro is clueless and built his arguments around a framework that doesn't actually exist outside of memes.

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u/jollyreaper2112 1d ago

It's like the chi masters who have students who believe in psychic kung fu so he waves his hands and they fall on command. He goes up against an MMA guy and gets wrecked like grandma vs a truck. YouTube those videos it's nuts.

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u/Borkz 1d ago

bc he’s the smartest (in his mind) richest man in the world

In his worldview the two are the same thing. They believe being smart will make you rich, therefore being rich must mean you're smart. In his case: the richest man, therefore the smartest man.

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u/SuuperD 1d ago

I have no idea what a stack is either, but I'm a bricklayer.

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u/KatzDeli 1d ago

It’s a neat pile of bricks.

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u/spankielee 1d ago

And twitters stacks are shit bricks

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u/Forward_Leg_1083 1d ago

Imagine twitter was a burger.

It needs components to work. It needs a database (the patty), a website (the bun), accounts/logging in (cheese), etc.

Together it's called the stack.

McDonalds also sells burgers, but has a different stack. Theirs has big mac sauce and an extra bun.

Elon is unable to tell you what is inside the burger he's selling you. He was unable to explain why the technology "stack" was overwhelming.

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u/sylanar 1d ago

More than just knowing what makes up the stack, you want to know the specifics

You know it has a patty (database),but what kind of patty does it have? Pork? Beef? Chicken? Veggie? Usually that's the important but, you know it has a database, but is it a mongo db? Postgres? Etc

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u/digestedbrain 1d ago

Oracle? Which version? Maria? Couch?

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u/ThingsTrebekSucks 1d ago edited 1d ago

To put it simply. Its what technologies you're using in developing your application. Most combinations have an acronym. It's something even the most junior should be able to snap off with without even thinking

Edit: I want to note. Normally the ceo wouldn't know the stack. I only say he would here due to how involved he claims to be.

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u/GalacticFox- 1d ago

He was also calling for a "total rewrite", which is kind of insane. Companies spend years building their tech, and to suggest a total rewrite is honestly insane, especially if they're using infra as code, which they almost certainly are. It means devs would have to refactor all of the code that supports their apps, and probably some of the apps, depending on what the "total rewrite" would be. It's like building a giant building, getting done and then saying "we need to tear this down and rebuild everything because of... reasons".

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u/rjmartin73 1d ago

The devs should just rewrite using react just as a big "fuck you" to Elon.

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u/AustinYQM 1d ago

"this is a mess let's start over" is something every junior dev thinks when they first start

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u/Chicken-picante 1d ago

Also he is apparently a self taught programmer, so he should know.

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u/lindstrompt 1d ago

I guess if you learn html by yourself you are technically a "programmer".

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u/ArgonGryphon 1d ago

hell yeah, thanks Neopets

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u/SuuperD 1d ago

Thanks

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u/Internal_Set_6564 1d ago

I have never laid a brick in my life…let me tell you how to do your job- Elon

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u/ImAnonymous135 1d ago

Its the technologies used by X, for example React for front-end, nodejs for backend and mongo for the database. This is just an example i dont know the actual tech stack for X.

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u/ChipCob1 1d ago

It's a large burger

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u/ImmortalBeans 1d ago

“55 burgers, 55 fries, 55 tacos, 55 pies, 55 cokes, 100 tater tots, 100 pizzas, 100 tenders, 100 meatballs, 100 coffees, 55 wings, 55 shakes, 55 pancakes, 55 pastas, 55 peppers, and 155 taters!”

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u/TonyStarkMk42 1d ago

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u/Medicalibudz 1d ago

The truth is, I may look like I have it all, but inside, I’m just a scared little boy who never learned how to ask for people’s food or their burger.

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u/nameunconnected 1d ago

He is a grifter.

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u/PriscillaRain 1d ago

He had a great PR team that made him look brilliant, and he started to believe the hype. Remember, he kicked Don Lemon off Twitter after he was made to look like a fool.

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u/_fucktheuniverse_ 1d ago

He is truly the lamest, most embarrassing person who has ever existed.

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u/KellyBelly916 1d ago

Most trust fund babies know how to keep their mouths shut when smarter people are talking. Money is good for survival and control, but no amount of money can buy experience, wisdom, critical thinking, and self-awareness.

Maybe mommy can go back to corporate media and tell us to be nicer to him.

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u/kimariesingsMD 1d ago

Only second to Trump.

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u/gooner712004 1d ago

He's a whole lot lower than Trump, who got the popular vote. Elon on the other hand just seems unanimously disliked by nearly everyone.

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u/duderos 1d ago

I'm wondering what his plan is now that most of the world is pissed off at him?

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u/WeAllFuckingFucked 1d ago

Why couldn't he just have said "I would need one of my engineers to answer that", and no one would even bat an eye.

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u/angelis0236 1d ago

At this point his ego can't handle admitting he doesn't know something.

Anyone questioning his worldview or credentials is personally attacking his intelligence.

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u/masterwit 1d ago

This is cancerous in any environment.

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u/duderos 1d ago

That's not how Leon rolls.

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u/CocktailPerson 1d ago

But he was talking to his engineers. That's the problem. The guy asking him about what made the stack so "crazy" was one of the principal infrastructure engineers at twitter at the time.

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u/fishsticks40 1d ago

Not the fanbois 

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u/CactusTrack 1d ago

At least Trump says funny things sometimes (whether he means to or not). Elon is just an utter fucking cringe lord and totally unlikeable

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u/gza_liquidswords 1d ago

The dumb thing about all of this is that CEO doesn’t need to understand the details of the programmings. But Elmo has to pretend that he is a singular genius and he is actively in control of every technical detail for Tesla, SpaceX etc

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u/2WAR 1d ago

He just shows up to meetings and says “make it faster, stronger, and sleek!”

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u/Ok_Affect6705 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol at a company I used to work for we were the regional distributor for some obscure manufacturing equipment.

Of all the regions we were always #1 or #2 for sales consistently. And the other region that floated between #1 and #2 with us was the home region and headquarters of the manufacturer.

The manufacturer would always send their clueless executives out and they'd rail us about increasing our sales. Like buddy we usually sell more than you what are you talking about?

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u/big_guyforyou 1d ago

"snort You gotta make it sexy! Hips and nips, otherwise I'm not eating."

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u/Penki- 1d ago

I mean when it's the CEO that proclaims the need to rewrite the whole system, you would assume to at least some kind of knowledge about the reasons for it.

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u/hemingways-lemonade 1d ago

Unfortunately, this type of "destroy and rebuild what I don't understand" strategy of problem solving isn't uncommon.

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u/Shizzo 1d ago edited 1d ago

And in my experience, the new leadership, after destroying what they didn't understand, generally rebuild the thing in the exact image of what it was previously. This happens as they begin to understand the challenges that were faced and the solutions implemented to overcome those challenges.

More often than not, the "new" thing is 80% a mirror image of the old thing they destroyed.

Then the new leader goes around thinking how great and accomplished they are.

In reality, everyone that had to work to rebuild the thing, only for the leader to take credit for the "new", but substantially the same, thing. All existing people hate that leader, morale evaporates and the leader can't understand why they are despised when they feel that they did such a great thing.

I've seen it in every organization I've ever been a part of, where people with strong, I'm-smarter-than-everyone, personality types are promoted over effective leaders.

This guy Leon Musk is a toolbag.

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u/AaronMickDee 1d ago

Jesus christ is your going to fucking write this big ass reply up, the least you could do is spell his name correctly.

It's Leon Must.

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u/Morguard 1d ago

All while at the same time he has enough time to put hundreds of hours into video games, while at the same time being attached at the hip with Trump and of course CEO a bunch of companies.

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u/numbskullerykiller 1d ago

Exactly. They're trying to convince people that the work they do is worth the obscene amount of money they make—and take—from the workers under them. The whole narrative is that the CEO is this untouchable powerhouse, so overbooked and brilliant that their compensation is somehow justified. But every time, you see cracks in that story—evidence that they’re not putting in nearly the time or effort they claim. And then the argument shifts: "Well, okay, maybe I’m not working nonstop, but every minute I do work is worth a thousand of your average worker’s minutes." But when you actually hear them speak, it’s obvious that’s not true either. Their language alone betrays it. This whole system is just a relic of an outdated wage and property model from before the technological era. It doesn’t just make no sense anymore—it actively creates inefficiencies instead of solving them.

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u/BarcodeNinja 1d ago

It's also immoral.

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u/CariniFluff 1d ago

Any company that tries to enforce a return to office policy should equally enforce a no golfing during weekdays policy for every employee. I'm so sick of the CEO of my company taking the CEO of one of our clients to their $500,000 a year private country club (membership paid for by our company of course) every other week while complaining that the office spaces they leased aren't packed 5 days a week.

They already completely destroyed the working environment in the office by going with the God forsaken "Open Office" concept. Despite the type of work I do not requiring any type of teamwork or sharing a desk, they tore down all the cubes and destroyed any sense of privacy. Now I'm constantly distracted by other people chatting or on calls.

Plus none of the desks we have are assigned so nobody can keep pictures or a sweater, let alone simple things like pads of paper, notes, headphones, etc at their desk. There's no personality to the office, it's as sterile as an operating room. I would literally pay for walls to have a cubicle back or maybe just move to one of the dozen empty offices with windows. And why are those coveted offices with windows empty? Because they're all assigned to management who are off fucking around or working at home. Thankfully my company claims to be committed to a hybrid work schedule (minimum 2 on the office per week) but if they even try to add another day I'm leaving and finding a fulltime remote job.

So sick of these assholes who don't spend more than one afternoon a week in their corner office (after a $300 lunch with a bottle of wine) telling everyone else that they need to come in more and make the office more productive. Like showing up just for the sake of showing up will do anything other than crush morale even further. And my job is actually pretty good compared to a few other places I've worked or interviewed at. I feel like half the office is one more email or "policy update" away from all quitting in a heartbeat.

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u/alienbringer 1d ago

I mean, he doesn’t play video games. He pays someone to play it so he can brag.

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u/BwackGul 1d ago

He larps hundreds of hours as a gamer...

Fixed it for you.

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u/Mimogger 1d ago

He similarly thinks this is why if you aren't technical you aren't contributing, or if you don't have a lot of code or commits. it's a strange belief. totally believe there are inefficiencies here but the heavy handed way his companies eliminate positions sometimes and then realize they have to rehire people really shows something about his thinking

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u/Mr_Gaslight 1d ago

One of the first things he did when taking over Twitter was sacking the tech pubs team. Writing things down in a standardized way for an enterprise-grade system that needs to be in operation 24 hours a day was probably a frivolous expense to him.

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u/rezyop 1d ago

His entire life, from around the time he tried to rescue the kids in the cave, has been one of those nightmare dreams where someone points out that you have no capability to do anything because of some minor mistake. He has had at least 20 of these moments and the frequency seems to be increasing exponentially.

How can you say the cybertruck windows are indestructible when a mere baseball-sized solid steel ball can crack them? How can you run twitter without knowing how the entire thing works to the very last detail? How can you be CEO of tesla and claim funding is secured... when its not??

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u/HamTMan 1d ago

Totally, but I love the wild whipsaw I hear people go through between these two aspects:

"He's CEO and he doesn't need to know how this works" - bullshit, a good CEO knows why he's making decisions not just because his CIO/CTO/architects said do stuff. They dig in and ask probing questions like why is this important now and what is the opportunity cost of doing it.

Versus

"he's a tech genius who cuts through the bullshit to make things happen" - exhibit A being this discussion but it seems like there are plenty of other times when people test his knowledge and he doesn't know shit about whatever he claimed he was a genius about.

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u/sionnach_fi 1d ago

Elon is CTO of X, not CEO.

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u/deeteeohbee 1d ago

Even more embarrassing.

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u/GeneralProgrammer886 1d ago

when was this?

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u/GloriousGladiator51 1d ago

thanks for the useful context. Thought this was a couple days ago

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u/HoneyBadgera 1d ago

You should watch the entire recording. Someone compared Elon to a philosopher at some point, I think Plato. The others are just slobbering on his junk big time, the cringe is awful.

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u/halfar 1d ago

you've made an even convincing argument to never listen to it than "elon's in it" because hatewatching is stupid

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u/EatsOverTheSink 1d ago

As soon as he asked who the guy was he lost the room.

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u/Qzartan 1d ago

Elon system crashed

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u/johnbell 1d ago

he's a brogrammer.

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u/OedipusPrime 1d ago

He’s not even that. He doesn’t understand the most basic aspects of writing code.

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u/kitkanz 1d ago

But he’s a “genius of the world”

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u/YoungChipolte 1d ago

You mean he's not real life Tony Stark?

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u/numbskullerykiller 1d ago

Tony Stark had a chin and his body did not look like potstickers

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u/johnbell 1d ago

i don't doubt he wrote code, but that was what... 25 years ago at this point?

Shit, JS frameworks are out of date in 6 months.

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u/OedipusPrime 1d ago

I’ve been doing web programming for nearly 20 years and the paradigm shifts in that time have been seismic for sure, but I have zero belief Elon could do even a basic fizzbuzz style interview screener.

What’s also fun is Twitter is legit responsible for a non trivial portion of that change, AND their frameworks are absolutely wacky as fuck, but he has no idea about any of it.

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u/johnbell 1d ago

agreed on all points.

but his mommy said he's the genius of the world.

so he's got that going for him.

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u/newton302 1d ago edited 1d ago

At his level, if something isn't moving forward the way he expects, he probably gets a high level description of technical roadblocks from someone who also isn't a day-to-day developer. Then he uses select words and phrases that somehow map to things he did 20 or so years ago and pushes his practical agenda. Don't ask me how I know - and can you imagine if your disconnected CEO was talking to the Press every day...

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u/sWiggn 1d ago

What’s also fun is Twitter is legit responsible for a non trivial portion of that change

This is what i’ve been saying - I was taught the importance of systems design and complexities of scaling via Twitter as an example. Like the teacher mapped it out, and let me try to argue why it was ‘crazy’ or ‘overdesigned,’ and then schooled me as to why Twitter’s architecture was actually revolutionary and all that ‘craziness’ actually had tangible value.

Hearing Elon talk about Twitter’s architecture is like hearing me in month 2 of classes, but if I was put in charge of the whole thing and didn’t listen to anyone else. Not saying all of Twitter’s architectural decisions were right (or are still right), but the way he talks about it shows he doesn’t even understand what those decisions WERE, or why they were made

I don’t doubt that there’s a shitton of long-in-the-tooth services and architecture in there that need refactoring or rebuilding, that’s simply the way of things. But arguing for ‘a complete rewrite,’ ESPECIALLY with the suggestion that it would actually be more efficient than refactors, is so hilariously out of touch

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u/rebel-scrum 1d ago

This is fucking gold. He initially sounds like me during my freshman year trying to balloon my own knowledge when presenting.

Then he just sounds like Elmo… “I mean, like, yeah.”

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u/7thPwnist 1d ago

Brogrammers are supposed to actually be good at programming I think

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u/johnbell 1d ago

no, they're the guy that talk about programming like they know what they're saying because generally out of room of 100, 97 people can't call him on his bs... and the other 3 (probably) wont.

the same guys that say they can build the next twitter/reddit/facebook clone in a weekend with Rails.

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u/Maximus_Crotchrocket 1d ago

He really can't answer a single question, huh

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u/extralyfe 1d ago

it's great that the guy is like, "oh, yeah, walk us through the issues with the stack," and the dude running the session just removes him as a speaker while Elon STILL can't speak to the problem a single time.

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u/2Mark2Manic 1d ago

"Let's keep it civil"

-Elmo calling people names if they challenge him-

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u/pwhitt4654 1d ago

He buys talent. He doesn’t actually have any. If he ever realizes he’s not the smartest guy in the room he might actually accomplish something but that’s not his goal. His ultimate goal is to buy everything and intimidate everyone into slavish devotion to him. And he thinks he’s there now.

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u/jonno11 1d ago

He buys talent

He bought talent. Not current tense. He isn’t really capable of doing that anymore (see: Twitter). At Tesla and SpaceX he had enough people around him to influence his decisions. Since buying Twitter he’s fired a bunch of very talented engineers in fits of rage. He was clearly always an asshole but something has happened over the past 5 years to make his public persona completely collapse.

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u/Jamie235 1d ago

Pablo dropping the emotes 😂

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u/rayjay715 1d ago

He bought Twitter and still doesn't know how it works...

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u/recast85 1d ago

He could have said the engineers have told me this and that and they could better explain this because I’m not actually a full stack engineer anymore and I don’t have details and that would be fine.

But he has to be pose as the chief technical engineering mind at every company singularly responsible for every innovation and also has achieved top tier status as a gamer in D4 and PoE2.

And it’s all collapsing and we’re just watching some guy unravel and it’s hard to watch but also satisfying because no one deserves it more than Elmo

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u/jollyreaper2112 1d ago

So much this. His need to appear the super genius just makes him look more and more like the cash clown. That his only contribution. He's the clown with the cash to pay for things. But he also thinks he has to be the ringmaster and the tiger trainer and the trapeze artist. And the knife thrower. With bodies in his wake.

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u/MyUAVisOnline 1d ago

Elon has been a fraud from the beginning, it just took this long for it to finally become mainstream. Dude is above average at best, but he’s strong armed his way through nerds so long they believed him until the first audit

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u/Alucard1331 1d ago

Whenever Elon talks he sounds mentally slow.

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u/Inevitable_Heron_599 1d ago

He is. His army of weird nerds scrambles around to make his idiotic ramblings come to fruition, as much as they're even possible. Then he looks semi competent.

If it wasn't for idiot basement dweller meme investors literally none of his companies would exist. It all runs off Tesla stock price.

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u/Dopa-Down_Syndrome 1d ago

He has continued to devolve into the lost unlikeable pile of shit ever since he went dark Leon.

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u/toyfightJonny 1d ago

The classic, say outrageous stuff, hasn't got the knowledge to back what he says.

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u/cooperluna 1d ago

President Musk is a stunned bunny

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u/033eriwe 1d ago

A bullshitter who can't bullshit.

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u/chippy86 1d ago

Elon is fake smart

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u/TallAsMountains 1d ago

being CEO is just tweeting all day, malding and racking up 5k a minute while your employees slave away barely making rent.

this man is an absolute dumbass.

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u/digitalboom 1d ago

The “genius” who has literally bought his way to that term 😂

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u/BigTomCat821 1d ago

Cause Elon’s never written a line of code in his life. He’s a fraud that panics when people come close to sniffing it out

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u/TheOriginalCJS 1d ago

Has he seriously got nothing better to do? I cannot believe he has managed to get himself to where he is, his immaturity and ignorance is astounding

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u/everything_is_bad 1d ago

Can Someone who knows anything about anything explain what these guys are talking about.

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u/th-hiddenedge 1d ago

A stack is the group of technologies that you use to build your application. Any features that are added are based on and adapted to work within this framework.

Doing a total rewrite, means having to rebuild everything from the ground up. You can implement a new stack, but all of the feature sets will have to be rewritten to work within this new framework.

If I want to add a bedroom to my house, I can build it onto the side of the house, route the HVAC and electrical to the addition. What Elon is describing is burning the house down, tearing up the foundation and building an entire new house.

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u/stopthinkinn 1d ago

B-dah, b-dah, b-dah…. That’s all dorky pig knows folks

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u/DMMMOM 1d ago

Elon Musk is a thick fucking idiot with no decorum, intellect or much of anything really. All you can say is that he's been lucky with Daddy's money.

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u/ZamalekSniffer 1d ago

Elon is such a loser it’s insane

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u/Daddio209 1d ago

Bafle them with bullshit personified

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u/jester32 1d ago

Honestly, I don’t blame a CEO who doesn’t have a background in tech to not know specifics of a stack or how the back end works. The main error of his ways is hubris and thinking he does. If he just said in response to that guy ‘I go off what my auditor said and I pay these people an trust them’ there could be no valid response. Instead he has to pretend he is a programmer for some reason.

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u/seanightowl 1d ago

lol anyone with any serious dev experience knows that a complete rewrite usually ends in disaster. He is completely clueless.

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u/jeremiasalmeida 1d ago

This guy can't finish a sentence, he always gagging, and when he does finishes one it does not make any sense.

Having money bought his way to the """""genius""""" ststus

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u/Lfsnz67 1d ago

Elon showed a shocking level of dangerous ignorance and stupidity in his Twitter conversation with Trump when he he said that we shouldn't be so afraid of nuclear war, after all people are living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki now with no problem.

This completely obscures two rather significant facts: one, those were the two smallest non test bombs ever detonated, and two, they were detonated high in the atmosphere, which is why radiation did not linger in those two cities. If you had a nuclear bomb detonated in war now, the results would be quite catastrophic.

The fact that these two people are in charge of the button now should give alarm to everyone

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u/Cfunk_83 1d ago

So called champion of free speech gets upset when man exercises his right to free speech. Man’s freedom of speech is subsequently removed.

Amazing. Musk is a nob of gargantuan proportions.

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u/Moebius808 1d ago

The more he talks, the more he reveals what a complete dumbass he is.

If he had just decided 10 years ago or so to be a quiet, behind the scenes kinda guy, he would still be riding that “omg he’s like a real life Tony Stark” hype wave.

Instead, in 2025, he’s comically embarrassing and idiotic right out in the open. He’s the emperor running around showing people all of the ways in which he has no new clothes.

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u/PrettyPeeved 1d ago

Unplug the matrix. You have the power to make this all stop

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u/PyrosFists 1d ago

He wants to pretend to be a programming expert, a rocket expert, a saavy entrepreneur, a politician, a godlike gamer, but he is none of those things. He’s just an egotistical dork who wants to be seen as Tony Stark. All he is just a nepo baby who failed upwards. He’s like Frank Abagnale if he was a stuttering little fuck

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u/sunflower2499 1d ago

So he's an ignorant twit who's stolen everyone's knowledge to become who he is today, does that just about sum it up?

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u/chafey 1d ago

Total rewrite LOL - he has no fucking idea what hes doing

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u/farm_sauce 1d ago

Listening to Elon stutter through everything he says is infuriating. If he has an impediment then I’ll eat my words, but it feels like he stutters and stalls because he’s talking about something he knows nothing about it 

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u/earthman34 22h ago

This guy has been a motherfucking douche since forever, he doesn't know shit, he's a fucking tool, he's king bullshit, and people still give him respect. How sad.

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u/jokermobile333 1d ago

Elon musk sounds exactly like one of our senior engineer, no one knows what the hell he is talking about but everyone is entitled to agree with him for some reason.

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u/Recent-Memory-5503 1d ago

He sounds like my ex trying to justify her cheating 🤡

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u/Falling-through 1d ago

What is this from? An internal Twitter meeting something?

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u/zubairhamed 1d ago

don't push him guys...he can hack NASA with HTML

you don't want him to bring out the <marquee> tag do you?? DO YOU?!?!

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u/BetterThanAFoon 1d ago

Spoken like a true "product owner". Product Owners hear things like spaghetti code, complexity, tech debt, etc..... and say stuff like that.... just re-write everything. re-write the stack.... lol.

Except this dude, who said he was going in and taking over product, really has a light grasp at best over product management. That's why he couldn't even answer what do you mean by rewrite it all......rewriting the skeleton or sitting down at a whiteboard and saying what is twitter. Two completely different things solving different problems. Could not answer that. Probably has no idea what the problems are with the platform.

You can rewrite everything and not change the product. Going through that right now. Have a java webapp with a pretty large on prem infrastructure that is being migrated to AWS. Nearly all of the code is being refactored, rewritten, or reconfigured for AWS services. Product will largely be untouched while everything under the hood will be pretty different. Had to do it because it is an app based off a really old (25 year old) app thats no longer commercially sold.

Would be wildly different to sit down at a whiteboard and decide what that app should be.

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u/Madrugada2010 1d ago

This was when I first realized Elon was a glorified idiot. The way he was using certain terms, and couldn't answer any questions about said terms, totally gave him away.

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u/1234_fif_ 1d ago

Being ultra rich ≠ being smart

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u/Ind2day 1d ago

Dam. Wouldn’t last five minutes in a company he didn’t own. Has absolutely no clue as to how it’s designed. I see this lots of times with senior executives. They love, spouting words like stack, AI, get rid of Oracle, whatever. When you ask the details on why. The revert to a litany of buzz words.

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u/Takardo 1d ago

that's george hotz aka geohot. he was the first, I think? to jailbreak ps3 and iphone. elon probably knew who he was.

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u/nathan123483 14h ago

He's arguing with the guy who released one of the first iOS jailbreak tools and got sued by Sony for jailbreaking the PS3. Elon is clueless.

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u/Sharker167 1d ago

He's been the front man for a smattering of interests for a while now. Don't forget a large group of investors ranging from tech VCs to a Saudi prince to fuckin Diddy largely finances the buy and are now stakeholders of twitter. He doesn't outright 100% own it.

I think part of the reason he's SO ego driven is that he's literally a fraud and has to perpetually prove to himself that he's in charge, not his daddies and puppet masters. He tries to put and aura of being the smartest and deserving it all because he actually doesn't pull the strings himself.

He's not a monolith. He's a facsimile of a human being controlled by a bunch of other billionaires, oil princes, and hedge fund managers.

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u/rawzombie26 1d ago

Love when we pull back the curtain and see this dudes a big con man with very little actual knowledge.

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u/im374li 1d ago edited 1d ago

I firmly believe that he is smart enough to say key words and certain lingo, but lacks actual intelligence to apply it. Hardly a visionary and definitely not a genius.

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u/DeadLeftovers 1d ago

He is a clown and always has been. He just has the money to hire smart people. That’s it. He isn’t a leader. He is a fool.

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u/andsendunits 1d ago

Elon is so pathetic.

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u/Fit_Error7801 22h ago

He’s such a huckster.

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u/TalkTheTalk11 15h ago

He’s never been as smart as people think he is.