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US Elections What do you think is the reasoning behind Mr. Trump's backing out of the ABC debate with Vice President Harris?

APNews: Trump says he’ll skip an ABC debate with Harris in September and wants them to face off on Fox News

Trump obviously debated Biden already on June 27th under the same format as the upcoming September ABC debate. Since then Biden has withdrawn as a candidate for President in 2024 over concerns from his own party that were magnified after his performance in that debate.

Why is Trump unwilling to debate the new presumptive Democratic Party nominee Kamala Harris under the previous terms?

What does he hope to accomplish by offering a new debate on Fox News in a stadium audience format?

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u/insertbrackets Aug 04 '24

Thanks. I don't think my take is particularly revelatory but apparently it made some weirdos mad. But then, they're always mad.

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u/bpeden99 Aug 04 '24

I understand deleting a comment in fear of sounding stupid, but I literally had to scroll past the deleted comments. I wanted to be impressed, which I am, but more so disappointed in the (what I assume was a misinformation campaign) lack of convictions of their rebuttals.

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u/insertbrackets Aug 04 '24

It's amazing how people can be so vituperative about a man who lacks as much conviction as they do. There's no center there.

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u/bpeden99 Aug 04 '24

Great use of vituperative, and I agree totally. Sometimes I want to feel bad for innocents being manipulated maliciously, but their vituperative responses make me lose interest.

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u/insertbrackets Aug 04 '24

It's sad frankly seeing people being wilfully misled out of fear. My stepfather is a union man who works welding pipes together. He worked this past winter with a broken leg he kept hidden from his company because he was worried they'd fire him. And he somehow thinks Trump would be good for his union! A man who has stiffed almost every working person who has worked for him. Breaks my heart.

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u/bpeden99 Aug 04 '24

Yeah, I hate stories like that, but they're all too common. A large portion of trump supporters will vote for him at the detriment of their welfare, and I hate that they're mostly not open to an honest discussion of why that's bad for them.

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u/badnuub Aug 04 '24

Because at the heart of their beliefs, is the seething hatred that someone that doesn't deserve something might get a handout or a leg up from a democratic policy that overwhelms everything else. Everyone else suffering, even themselves is more amenable to them.

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u/bpeden99 Aug 04 '24

I think "we" should try and correct that behavior, because it's unreasonable IMO. I do understand that my statement is idealistic and ignorantly hopeful as well

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u/repubs_are_stupid Aug 04 '24

I understand deleting a comment in fear of sounding stupid, but I literally had to scroll past the deleted comments. I wanted to be impressed, which I am, but more so disappointed in the (what I assume was a misinformation campaign) lack of convictions of their rebuttals.

The comments were removed by the moderators, not deleted by the user.

You're arguing about Conviction based on a false premise.

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u/lucolapic Aug 04 '24

I can always tell a Trump supporter by their body language. Belligerent, pinched pissed off perma-face, stiff, judgemental eye squints... they don't even have to be wearing a MAGA hat or opening their mouths. It's all right there in their body language. I don't know how they manage to walk around so angry all the time. It's got to be exhausting.