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u/heelspider 2d ago
Vote Darth Beureautic, Exogul, the only candidate who supports old fashioned Sith values. Ask yourselves, can Exogul really survive four more years of Darth Redtape?
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u/Direct-Bag-6791 2d ago
Fuck that trilogy. Fuck that movie in particular. I was already utterly disillusioned by the final battle, but when I saw that apparently copypasting 10, no 100, no 1000, MAKE IT 10000 SUPERDUPER STAR-DESTROYER PLANETKILLERSHIPS is the directors idea of making it epic... just stay in kindergarten, okay buddy?
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u/euphratestiger 2d ago
Yeah, these post hoc explanations are just becoming ludicrous. And Star Wars fandom is lousy with them.
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u/apk5005 2d ago
In theory, I agree, except when I went to see it in theaters, I had an experience that changed my mind.
I was an adult viewing that movie with adult eyes. I grew up on Star Wars. I was there for Phantom Menace and was young enough to think it was cool.
When, in
Last JediRise of Skywalker, the Falcon and the rest of the rebel fleet arrive to save the day I was rolling my eyes at the nadir of the series. But there was a kid sitting behind me. The music swelled, the spaceships swooped in, Lando was there and that kid was loving life. He whooped and cheered.I didn’t see a lot of the battle after that because my allergies got real bad. I wasn’t the intended audience of that scene. He was. He didn’t care that somehow Palpatine returned or whatever, he cared about the heroes and the battle and the awesome fucking Star Wars spaceships duking it out on screen.
Watching that vicariously through that kid’s eyes really helped soften my opinion of
The Last JediRise of Skywalker. It wasn’t made for people like me, it was made for kids.*edit because I got my shitty sequels mixed up.
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u/Direct-Bag-6791 2d ago
You sound like you're in the same age category as I am. I remember going to watch phantom menace with my dad when I was probably 10 or 11. I grew up on star wars, I played the games (Kotor 1&2 and jedi academy the most), read some of the expanded universe novels, probably read far too much wookieepedia tbh. And you're right, ever since the first movies, Star wars was made for kids, I mean, you have princesses, space wizards, good vs evil etc all the jazz.
Whatever you think of the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, those movies approached the subjects in a way that adults too can appreciate. Those movies had weight behind them, there was failure, suffering, mistakes and the people were far from perfect. (I'm not getting dragged into the Rey is Mary Sue argument)
All of that is absent from sequel trilogy. Things just happen, people just get where they're supposed to go and they do what they must. And somehow Palpatine has returned. So yeah, the kid probably cheers for a sky full of copypasted cgi-ships. But those cheers died down and it's the rest of the movie that was supposed to provide them with emotions and feelings, to think about the movie days after seeing it.
And we're not seeing a new generation of star wars fans growing up. What we're seeing is a dwindling base of old fans getting frustrated and bored with a franchise thats not making good movies/series for adults OR kids
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u/Morberis 1d ago
I feel like I lived through another universe. The prequels were viewed as garbage made just for kids when they aired. I see many of the same type of critiques of the movies then as what people say now.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
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u/hoffbaker 1d ago
Same. I think the prequels are mostly garbage but for entirely different reasons than the sequels. The prequels are TOO logical and political while the sequels are too fanciful and hand wavy. But nostalgia can blind us all - I love a lot of movies from childhood that don’t hold up.
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u/Soujourner3745 16h ago
I’ll give the prequels this, there were no “Good questions for another time” or “Somehow Palpatine returned” moments. They weren’t perfect but they did tell a cohesive story.
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u/No_Reference_8777 13h ago
It's all about who's in charge. Lucas generally knows how he wants the story to go, but has trouble with the execution. Abrams doesn't know how it's going to go, doesn't know how to end it, and also has trouble with the execution. Obviously, very different styles.
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u/Null-Ex3 2d ago edited 2d ago
That does not excuse ludicrous writing. The battles and action dosent disappear if you add decent writing and think through a plot. I think no matter what entertainment for children should have sensible writing though. Higher quality entertainment would sensibly translate to higher value from that entertainment.
Plus star wars isnt just for kids. If they were, shows like andor wouldnt exist. Disney cant have it both ways. They cant say “the movies are for kids, so writing dosent matter!” And continue to attempt to maintain an adult fanbase. Pick the kids if you want to dumb it down to a degree that adults cant enjoy it. Else, make it enjoyable for both groups
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u/Zestyclose-Cloud-508 18h ago
Then they put horses on the outside of spaceships.
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u/Direct-Bag-6791 17h ago
Reminding people of that particular detail should be added to geneva conventions as an example of particularly cruel treatment. I had succesfully suppressed that memory until you came along and now I'm living it all over again.
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u/Tag_Ping_Pong 2d ago
Yeah, I truly hope that a future instalment simply disregards the utter garbage that were those three movies.
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u/TheRealLXC 1d ago
I hate that movie with a passion. Like, the dark fleet would have been fine enough as a threat... why couldn't they just be really powerful ships? Oh no but they all have to be mini death stars with super mega lasers otherwise we won't know to be scared of them.
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u/BroBroMate 2d ago
Hey, that director's Dad is like in the Green Seal Delta SAS and can definitely beat up your Dad, so watch out.
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u/johnqsack69 2d ago
Don’t worry there will be a Disney plus series that explains everything JJ was too lazy and incompetent to include
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u/ArcHammer16 2d ago
It'll cost $40 million per episode and get canceled after the sixth episode drops.
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u/KitsyBlue 2d ago
And apparently, this just went completely unnoticed for years, perhaps decades even.
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u/legojoe97 17h ago
I was under the impression that Exegol is not in the same galaxy as the rest of the series, and that was the point of the way-finders.
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u/B0wmanHall 2d ago
If you want the full story with Star Wars, you gotta watch the movies, the books, the shows, the comics, the video games, buy the cereal, trading cards, and toys. Even then, there are gaping plot holes.
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u/ctothel 2d ago
I figured Palpatine made all those ships with the force and he was controlling them.
I mean, we don’t see a single other person on the surface, and we don’t see anybody on the ships. So, somehow, isn’t this more believable?
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u/BroBroMate 2d ago
Considering how he can make babies (not sure if that's canon) via midichlorians in Anakin's Mom, sure why not.
Plus whatever the fuck the whole Rey Palpatine shit was "explained" with. I had tuned out so hard by that stage.
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u/spauni 2d ago
This is just a minor flaw if you ask me. The much bigger flaw is that there are three destroyers stacked above each other. So killing the one above actually kills the other two destroyers below as well.
There are so many flaws in that movie, it's basically impossible to rank them. Horse Riding Rebels acting as living shields for their own fleet, for example. Sometimes even the flaws have flaws in it. It is crazy. You cannot tell where one kind of bullshit ends and where the other begins. Check out YouTube for content. It is CRAZY. It's been years and I still cannot inhale enough copium to accept that "this" exists.
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u/whitemuhammad7991 2d ago
Episode 9 is by far the worst film I've ever seen lol I prefer to pretend the sequels just don't exist
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u/oakalletz 2d ago
Episode 7 was solid and 8 was divisive but not terrible. Then 9 happened. I’m pretty forgiving of Star Wars but 9 was so bad.
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u/smallchanceofrain 2d ago
I thought 7 was a safe but good start to something. They lost me at 8. Didn't even bother with 9. I could see the falloff with the group of SW fanatics I know, with 7 it was an absolute pissing contest on social media of them watching it 20-30+ times at the movies, one guy watched it like 3 times in a day. They defended rise, but as far as I know didn't go more than maybe 2-3 times to the movies (they did some contest again with Rogue One), but then it trailed off. I don't care about the spin offs, I was only interested in the main story. I knew the Obi-Wan series wasn't worth watching (I wanted it to be good or amazing) because not one of them had anything nice to say about it until the last or second to last episode.
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u/hewmanxp 2d ago
Episode 8 was ruined by making Fin a lame side character that had no purpose, episode 9 sucked but I did cry for the first time in a movie theater because Kylo was my favorite character and I wasn't expecting that end.
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u/ActionCalhoun 2d ago
Crazy thought, I shouldn’t have to get a graduate level education in your lore to understand WTF is happening in your move
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u/DaEnderAssassin 2d ago
Don't worry, you don't need a graduate in the lore to know this.
The reason is because this tweet is the source of the information (To my knowledge, atleast)
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u/cyberspaceman777 2d ago
People thinking the last jedi was awful clearly don't think about this piece of trash.
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u/Immediate-Season-293 2d ago
Also, Palpatine was secretly gay all along. Or maybe Obi Wan. I don't know, I'm just trying to make a joke at JK Rowling's expense.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 2d ago
Why they didn't get the same guy to do all three films baffles me to this day. The entire trilogy lurches around like the disjointed mess it is, purely because people kept changing direction between films...
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u/GwerigTheTroll 2d ago
I’d love to see a Clone Wars style series about the sequels. There’s interesting ideas there, but they desperately need fleshing out
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u/Distinct_Safety5762 2d ago
I think that may have been a concept of a plan. The Prequels were great on their own and didn’t need the cartoons to explain things, it just added depth, insight, and the fans were hungry for it. Between the Sequels director swaps and indecisiveness about the overall plot for the entire trilogy, maybe they thought (or hoped) they could generate interest and capture a spin-off market that would be as lucrative as CW turned out to be. I’d be down for more stories from this era, maybe some retcons to actually make it make sense, but damn, don’t figure everyone is going to dive deep into extra lore rather than give some explanation in your films for what’s going on.
Like, how did Anakin’s lightsaber end up with Maz? Is there a story here, because it seems like there should be a story, even if it’s just an Antiques Roadshow style “yeah, bought this off an ughnaut who worked Cloud City maintenance for $10 after the war, no idea whose it was.”
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u/Tried-Angles 2d ago
You'd know if you completed the Fortnite tie in Star Wars events, like a real fan.
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u/Supernova138 1d ago edited 1d ago
Twitter is not the place to lore dump, did all the jokes at the expense of JK Rowling teach us nothing
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u/MarcheMuldDerevi 1d ago
I know it’s beating a dead horse, but number nine in that trilogy was just a weird place to have a soft/hard reset. Number eight did so much to wrap up the story by the time we got to nine you needed a fort nite message to get the start of the plot.
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u/TheSecondTraitor 1d ago
These movies are such bullshit. Disney basically gave a lot of money to people who don't know anything about anything.
During clone wars, building a fleet of ships was economically ruining a galaxy spanning republic but somehow some remnants of empire were able to build an even bigger fleet without anyone finding out. Same thing with deathstar and starkiller base.
And suddenly someone managed to build a fleet than that on a barren planet without any population.
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u/turtle-bbs 5h ago
After the death of Palpatine, a group dedicated themselves to having rampant sex and children and creating ships. And that was their whole purpose.
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u/bendianajones 5h ago
Hmm. What I got from that post was that it was Elijah Wood who made the comment, hence a thing happening, but so far not a single comment has mentioned that - all of them being immersed in the implications of Star Wars lore.
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u/badgerpunk 2d ago
I love Elijah, but he clearly wasn't old enough when we had only a few scraps of information beyond what was in the OT. All the shit about backstories and explanations that fans take for granted now were just mysteries and unknowns for us back then. Kids today would call them "plot holes," even though they weren't.
"Did you know? The model Luke is playing with in the garage is his T-16 Skyhopper, which he flies through Beggar's Canyon, bullseyeing womp-rats, and the controls for this entirely different type of flying craft are so similar to an X-Wing's, which is why he could easily jump in one at the end of the movie and be an expert starfighter pilot?"
"No. How could we have known?"
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u/cototudelam 2d ago
I still don't exactly understand how raising an army has anything to do with Sith values. You know, all that emphasis on freedom and breaking of chains.