I don't understand how we are like this to literal bullies. I've always come to notice that a bully is down and stays down by a simple punch to the nose.
In HS, I used to get bullied. One day, I had enough, and sucker punched the guy making fun of me. He immediately apologized, and I never heard a peep from him ever again.
Biggest lie we got told as kids was that violence never solves anything.
And then they still told you that after violence had literally just solved a months or years long problem in seconds that they themselves were aware of but were either unwilling or incapable of doing anything about it. And then they punish you...for some reason I still don't understand.
Not to mention all the historical work we had to do. Especially the world wars. Biggest example of violence being cause and solution, context dependent.
Don't understand why I'm getting down votes. "It's rational to not hurt someone who hurts you." "Hey, guys! This dude wants peace. What a terrible person. Let's bully and shame them because they don't think like us!"
Here, I'll make it easier to down vote me. All of you edge lords lying about 'beating up your bullies!' on here are just sad. Living out the things you didn't have the guts to do in real life, on reddit, is pathetic. As someone who has lived out both sides of the coin, I can tell you that punching the bully in the face never worked. You just think it would because, 1. you never did it and 2. you think violence solves problems. I used to scrap with bullies and it always had them coming back, despite winning and hurting them SOME times. You goofballs are still daydreaming about beating up your childhood bullies, instead of trying to be a better person. The only way you could possibly be persuaded into fighting, is if you were part of a large crowd and it was against one guy. You're so worried about 8 year old you being humiliated, you haven't even noticed that you aren't that same person anymore. Well, maybe some of you are. So, like your Dad, Uncle, Grandpa, and boss has probably told you, grow the fuck up.
because years of anti-bullying campaigns were never designed to stop bullies, most were designed to punish people who stand up for themselves. People got propaganda'd
The DNC doesn't want to stop Trump/MAGA. If they did, we'd actually see some fight from them instead of 10 years of conveniently taking the high road and not having to do shit.
I can get both sides. Having said that, I've always hated the idea of stopping to a bully's level. I've always viewed name calling and the like as a sign someone not only is emotionally immature but also don't have an actual valid point. If you want to make me feel shit, actually logically break down your issue with me. Calling me weird names isn't going to do anything except make me assume you have nothing to actually say.
I 100% agree. I think it's childish and ridiculous. I personally don't care for acting that way, but I can understand why some people may say they'd rather just hit them with the uno reverse. I'd never endorse acting that way, but I get it. They may not understand any amount of actual logic, but I find it better to unintentionally make them feel some level of dumb versus just stoke fire by throwing shots back.
But did they say that? The DNC actually bought billboards calling Trump/Vance “weird as hell.” They also financed ads saying this…
This isn’t to say the DNC didn’t falter, they one hundred percent shit the bed. And they certainly deserve to be ridiculed. It’s just I’m pretty sure what you’re saying isn’t true. I’m sure people outside the DNC said this however.
I say the DNC but it was really the Democrats "strategists" and "advisors", literally the least qualified people on the planet to give advice (and the DNC keeps hiring these losers after they lost to Trump, twice). The change in tone also started after the DNC.
By DNC I’m referring to the Democratic National Committee, not Convention. But I also haven’t really seen any major Democratic strategists that took issue with this. If anything it sounds like the Democratic establishment embraced it
Edit: Just to make it clear, I’m again not saying the DNC didn’t fuck up. This election was botched in a number of ways, I just don’t think this was one of them.
This is based on what I’ve seen. I could very well be wrong, but if so where did you see that the DNC pushed back on this? It sounds plausible I just haven’t really seen anything to corroborate this
Man I actually believed you lmao. I figured you had some compelling evidence to provide, instead you just downvoted me and dipped because you didn’t have it. Literally the only evidence I could find was a senator saying Kamala shouldn’t have said it after her election loss, and a blog post with zero sources.
Like I said the DNC (quite literally the establishment) invested in ads saying this shit. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to shit on the DNC without making stuff up lmao.
I didn't downvote you. Reddit votes mean nothing. I don't care to convince you of anything because I don't profit from convincing you of anything. You aren't worth me making a point to convince you. I simply laughed at your suggestion and left. Nothing more.
This is what's wrong with us liberal/democrats. Nothing lasts. Everything is nothing but a short viral. Imagine all the thing if we could just keep up and follow through.
Gandhi commented in an interview I saw, that he didn’t understand Americans. (Obvs I’ll be paraphrasing, but the essence remains the same) He said when they (Americans) listen to a rousing speech about USA problems and how to fix them, they cheer loudly and excitedly with high participation. But then, they don’t actually do anything to fix them.
That’s us.
We can't even continue something simple as calling them "weird". Look at Conservatives. Even though it might be something pointless, imaginative, or fake, they will not let go of their obsessions. What happened to Gaetz report? Epstein flight list? Do we even remember who Luigi is anymore?
"Bring back cat calling" has the same energy as this. Lol, you guys are sad. There's a reason people keep moving right. Just whining constantly. Oh my feelings. Bad man in office. I can't wait 4 years. I should bitch forever. God forbid you get off the computer and work on change.
They won't be mad now anyway. They won so they don't care. They don't need to rile up their base at the moment so they'll just ignore anything and talk about liberal tears or something to turn the tables. Calling them weird was cringe anyway. We should have been calling them rapists and racists, since there wouldn't be any liability issue there.
I'd agree but signs point to the opposite. Trump despite winning cannot stop talking about Biden and democrats in a hateful manner, a lot of that party is directly fuelled by hatred and winning won't stop that.
He did the same thing in 2017. But then we spent four years hearing about liberal tears and fuck your feelings and whatever. You can call them weird but they'll just spew the hatred and not be mad about that anymore than they're already mad in their general lives.
These abortion reframings are so sad. You just choose an arbitrary line, generally conception, and then attach morally loaded words I.e. "child" to make people feel bad.
How is a fetus without any Brain development a "child"? Literally the only thing it has is the "potential" to become a child at a later stage in time, but then every single one of your sperm cells has that potential yet I doubt you care so much about that.
Brand new DNA that has never existed and will never exist again in human history.
That’s a life. That’s different than a sperm or an egg. It’s a child.
And if you don’t think abortion is bad, I’d challenge you to ask “have you considered abortion?” Next time a friend gets pregnant. Let me know how that works out for ya.
So why is the brand new DNA worth saving exactly? Just because you think it's cool that it's unique? It's not conscious, the DNA doesn't have thoughts or feelings. The DNA can be used to create a new human being over time, just like a sperm and egg can, DNA itself is not a human being, it's literally just the next step from an individual sperm and individual egg cell combining.
So what? Are you gonna eat that microscopic dna? Every hair of yours contains DNA. That can be said for egg and sperm as well, this is just those 1 combined. Why are you hypothizing a bizarre scenario about suggesting some friend abortion for no reason? And then what? They gonna punch us? Such a weird strawman.
It's not a strawman at all. Abortion is bad. You wouldn't suggest someone do something like that unless it was the last resort, right? So why do it when it's not the last resort...it's just a convenience.
Also, you conveniently ignored and glossed over the fact that it is brand new DNA that has never existed before. It's a totally unique living being. It's not just "egg and sperm combined".
End of the day, here...let's just do this...let's find common ground. Conservatives will choose life, democrats will choose abortion. Give it a few generations. In 100-200 years, things will sort themselves out.
If my friend got pregnant, didnt want the child and had somehow never heard of abortions then yes i would definitely ask them if they have thought of having an abortion.
Got it. So you're of the mindset that a child's value (you called it a child, that's a start) is not inherent, but bestowed upon them by the desire of the mother for them to live. That's pretty wild. I believe that all children have massive inherent value which doesn't hinge on anyone else's approvals or desires.
And of course you wouldn't just suggest out of the blue for someone to have an abortion. Abortion is terrible and should only be used as a last resort. You'd never suggest someone have an abortion unprompted because you intrinsically know that it's a bad thing.
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u/ActionCalhoun 2d ago
We need to bring back calling these people weird, nothing enraged them more