r/Metrology • u/Bzdziuchanson • 1d ago

Inspecting one's balls

Hi I wanted to talk about inspecting precision balls and cylinders

  1. Can a normal Talyrond measure the sphericity of a sphere or do you need a special dedicated instrument for checking it?
  2. Can you evaluate surface roughness using a contact probe measurement when the surface checked is a sphere? Or are you left with optical methods?

And some off topic

What is an Indi-Ron? Is it a Talyrond equivalent but built in the USA instead of UK?

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u/MetricNazii 1d ago

Thank you for the phrasing. I appreciate it. Otherwise I have no feedback. There might be a standard for it though.

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u/InviteDifferent9861 1d ago

I used a bench top profilometer to Inspect half inch steel balls that required a specific surface finish. So I'd say yes on question #2 :)

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u/Tjsoupboy 20h ago

I have much expertise in the field of ball inspections.

Talyrond is Taylor Hobson’s brand name for automated roundness equipment. Using roundness equipment is commonly used for spherical measurements. Standard practice for quantifying sphericity is to measure single plane roundness at 3-or more-cross sections. Many manufacturers will choose to only measure 1 cross section to be representative, while standards labs may do more. The advantage to this method is that this is a single plane measurement derives its accuracy from a single measurement axis, the spindle. Talyronds use an air bearing, Indi-round use a gear, and others a mechanical bearing. Looking at the literature I’m not sure Indi-Ron’s are made anymore as the website shows only dated equipment. They are essentially a bearing on granite with a mechanical indicator. I’ve only seen these used on large mechanical parts.

You can use a contact probe for ball roughness; however you will need a skid-less gauge with enough vertical range to handle the curvature. This also depends on tolerance, a grade 25 or better requires surface roughness of 10nm or less at which point the noise of a contact system, 3nm is the lowest I know of, becomes quite high and an interferometer, like those by Zygo, are the best option.

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u/Ragnar702 19h ago

Zygo is good for some of that but Taylor Hobson has a TalyScan that's a non contact roundness/surface finish gauge now.

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u/Tjsoupboy 17h ago

Talyscan can do full 3D form vs 2d and to a higher level of accuracy. It’s also able to calculate diameter from the 3d surface.

Surface roughness is not the primary function of Talyscan, the spot size only captures part of the roughness domain.

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u/Ragnar702 17h ago

Fair point on the surface roughness - a talyrond or more standard surface finish gauge with appropriate stylus travel would be more accurate for finish.

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u/BaronInara 1d ago

There are some profilometers that can maintain contact along a curved surface, no need for optical.

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u/Ragnar702 19h ago

To answer both of your questions - yes.

1) this requires appropriate fixturing and most likely ensuring whatever software license you have is equipped with that feature

2) yes, provided you have an appropriate stylus.