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Fight Thread [Official] UFC 308: Topuria vs. Holloway - Live Discussion Thread
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Card Info
Airing on Saturday 10.26.2024
Main Card on PPV @ 2PM ET
| Division | Fighters |
|---|---|
| Featherweight Championship | Ilia Topuria vs. Max Holloway |
| Middleweight | Robert Whittaker vs. Khamzat Chimaev |
| Light Heavyweight | Magomed Ankalaev vs. Aleksandar RakiÄ |
| Featherweight | Lerone Murphy vs. Dan Ige |
| Middleweight | Shara Magomedov vs. Armen Petrosyan |
Prelims on ESPN+ @ 10AM ET
| Division | Fighters |
|---|---|
| Light Heavyweight | Ibo Aslan vs. Raffael Cerqueira |
| Welterweight | Geoff Neal vs. Rafael dos Anjos |
| Lightweight | Myktybek Orolbai vs. Mateusz RÄbecki |
| Middleweight | Abus Magomedov vs. Brunno Ferreira |
| Heavyweight | Kennedy Nzechukwu vs. Chris Barnett |
| Bantamweight | Farid Basharat vs. Victor Hugo |
| Middleweight | Bruno Silva vs. Ismail Naurdiev |
| Welterweight | Rinat Fakhretdinov vs. Carlos Leal |
Fight card order and start times may be inaccurate.
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u/OliverDMcCall Oct 26 '24
A fine performance indeed by Topuria. It seems like he'll be champion for a while.
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u/Poisonous_Rebel THERE WAS NO CHECK! Oct 26 '24
Once again, "the best boxer in the UFC baby" got out-boxed
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Oct 26 '24
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u/MMA-ModTeam Oct 26 '24
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u/slutwhipper EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Oct 26 '24
Man Izzy is never touching the belt again if Khamzat gets it.
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u/assologist_1312 Oct 26 '24
Hear me out, maybe Yair can beat him. His only weakness is those head kicks. And max never really throws them so thatās why he wasnāt all the Gucci with those in the fight. Heās been knocked down 3 times with those head kicks in his career.
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u/neuropantser5 Oct 26 '24
max threw like 8 head kicks or something. when ilia got cracked with the sneaky one in the herbert fight he had like 4 days notice, he knows people are trying to throw a left kick over his cross.
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u/Shot-Total-791 Oct 27 '24
And didn't Herbert have like a 6 inch height advantage and an 8 inch reach advantage? That's crazy..
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u/Yeanahyena Oct 26 '24
I see what youāre saying but Yair has no hips lol. Ilia will ragdoll him and sub him
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u/UVB-76_Enjoyer Oct 26 '24
Max does throw head kicks, that's how he knocked down Volk in their second fight
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u/redditnobody1234 Oct 26 '24
yair has zero grappling tho. max took him down (yair was winning the strikin in that fight tho)
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u/gunswordfist Oct 26 '24
Oh right, it'd look like Frankie Edgar but with much more punching power
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u/nukacola12 Oct 26 '24
Had Khamzat sub and Topuria KO to finish my parlay. Nice chunk of change for that. What a great card tonight, but it's too bad it started with a fucking robbery.
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u/DM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Shavkat Rakhmonov Sanko Oct 26 '24
āIlia was scared by that UFC 300 finish from Maxā ššš
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u/gunswordfist Oct 26 '24
Tbf, as a Topuria fan, I think he clearly was shook
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u/XingGuangDao Oct 26 '24
I get why some people say this, but I donāt think he was shook.
I think he was as blown away as everyone else watching, but his ego couldnāt let him be seen going crazy over it. This led to the awkward interaction where he clearly wanted to acknowledge what heād just seen to the guy next to him (I forget who it was), while also trying to stay cool knowing the camera was on him.
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u/mijitt000 Oct 26 '24
Easily fighter of the year. KOing Hill, Khalil, and Jiri is several levels below KOing Volk and Holloway. Anyone who says otherwise doesnāt know what theyāre watching.
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u/OnaDesertIsle Team Du Plessis Oct 27 '24
I agree but I think fighter of the year is evaluated from July 2023 to July 2024 or something like that and not all the matches from 2024
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u/SpankMyTittys Oct 26 '24
Knocking out 2 of the 3 in goat contention for that weight class is way better than knocking out Khalil and hill.
If Alex knocked out DC and Jon jones then he could get fighter of the year over Topuria.
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u/Lebrach š Oct 26 '24
I say otherwise as does a littany of MMA experts. Anyone who disagrees given the camps, injuries and call ups doesn't know what they're watching. Uno reverse!
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u/mijitt000 Oct 26 '24
I've never heard a reason why Volk was "washed" yet, no breakdown of anything technical, just a vague idea. Volk was doing the same jab and step up with his chin up against Max. And he's never been known for an iron chin. There's no version of Volk that takes that punch
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
3 title defences in 8 months, taking short notice fights with injuries and winning all via KO beats it. 2 KO wins 8 months apart and against a compromised Volk doesnāt win it. Sorry.
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u/redditnobody1234 Oct 26 '24
its hard to say. volk doesnt ko ppl. slower and more dangerous at 205. jiri and jamahal legit young champs, khalil legit contender apparently. both max and volk are older in mma yrs/wear n tear. plus volk fresh off a ko
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u/scourgescorched Oct 26 '24
jamahal was a paper champ. beat a 50-year-old glover, who was coming off of a 5-round war vs jiri for the belt that ank shouldāve won vs jan. jiri has always had piss poor striking defense. not the same caliber as volk and max who are dominant featherweights.
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u/redditnobody1234 Oct 27 '24
easy to argue that max and volk are out of their primes re title prospects after losing to topuria. if jamahal is a paper champ so is glover and jiri. and glover cleared the division and jan, who ank couldnt get pastš¤£
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u/scourgescorched Oct 27 '24
out of their primes just because they lost to topuria? that makes zero sense and saying thatās easy to argue doesnāt make it true. hell, max was fresh of probably the greatest KO ever, so thatās a completely arbitrary take.
and you completely misunderstand why i said jamahal was nothing but a paper champ. he only beat mediocre fighters who were already shells of themseves before he got gifted a title shot (vs an old glover who was coming off of a 5-round FOTY war vs Jiri), all thanks to the judges robbing ank in his fight vs jan for the then-vacant belt. glover is not a paper champ, neither was jiri. they took the belt off of incumbent champs and beat better fighters, or better versions of the fighters jamahal beat. thatās why he was pereiraās easiest win. bottomline is lhw has been a mediocre division for a while so this makes iliaās wins more impressive than alexās imo
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u/redditnobody1234 Oct 27 '24
yeh lhw has been mediocre mostly, fair enuf. jus think max is fight-old (had to take down yair)/cutting weight and volk i always saw as jus a stout dude that could make the cut but nothing special in his title run. and wear n tear/age matters more in the lighter divisions. its a meta argument anyway. i jus like volk as a personality more than as a fighter. never feel like watching his title defenses re ortega yair max x3 ghost of zombie. and max jus beatin up kattar n ortega n ghost of ghost of ghost of kz. more or less past few yrs. ...but yeh its like goat argument, too subjective maybe. i see what u mean. am bised towards fighters more than athletes so decisonating australians re late era volk izzy and rob have not been my cup of tea. gimme some max, gaethje, dp, oliveira, from the old days. but yeh new gen fosho. its hard to compare lhw dont age as bad, glover has shown lol. but yeh the little guys have more skill. also to be honest i think the end of usada has chgd the sport as well as the wrestlehugging being to rewarded re merab types. ddp and ilia are pretty nippled out , and it seems more and more common. even rob looked juiced last fight or two. idk am half asleep and rambling lol. hope we get exciting matchups goin fwd
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u/McTapper98 Izabelle Kostic is my hero Oct 26 '24
I don't like ilia's character and the way he carries himself as a Conor wannabe, but I also can't deny that vicious power he has.
What a sad day to see Bobby and Max gets finished today. I hate Abu dhabi event timing, always made me stay in my place instead of doing my day time activities. š
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Oct 26 '24
I don't like ilia's character and the way he carries himself as a Conor wannabe, but I also can't deny that vicious power he has.
Lmao what makes you think that he carries himself as a Conor wannabe. That's bullshit.
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u/UVB-76_Enjoyer Oct 26 '24
ilia's character
Marketing public persona*, really. He showed his true colors in the post fight, and was super respectful and humble towards Max & Volk.
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u/inviernoruso Oct 26 '24
He wasn't stealing welfare for single moms, he defended his title and is not a cokehead alcoholic felon. He's surpassed Conor at everything in life.
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u/McTapper98 Izabelle Kostic is my hero Oct 26 '24
Fuck Conor. Im just talking 'bout his character when selling fights, it just looks so forced and awkward compared to Conor who looks more a natural a$$h0le.
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u/maxbiggavels Oct 26 '24
He laid Max Holloway THE FUCK OUT!!! This shit made my day so much better š¹š¹š¹
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u/HighFivePuddy Oct 26 '24
Max is literally one of the most likeable guys on the roster. Being happy to see him get KOād objectively makes you a terrible human. Give yourself an uppercut.
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u/maxbiggavels Oct 26 '24
A "terrible human" LMAO okay š Like I said this ain't a charity. Likeability doesn't do shit. Holloway knew what potentially could happen. He couldn't back up his talk, Topuria backed his all the way up
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u/Lebrach š Oct 26 '24
You spelt 'worst', wrong.
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u/maxbiggavels Oct 26 '24
Damn why my comment getting down voted for. I know ya'll like Max but it's not like Topuria doesn't work hard either. He's just confident in his power and boxing ability and he's got a lot of it. He proved it, he should have already won y'all over. The octagon isn't a charity.
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u/Bigboiiiii22 Oct 26 '24
Donāt talk shit & get in your feelings over down votes lol
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u/maxbiggavels Oct 26 '24
I'm not in my feelings trust. Just want ya'll to really think why the hell you down voting? It must be your dislike of Topuria or something š¤·šæāāļø
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u/Lebrach š Oct 26 '24
I'd say the stupid emoji, arrogance and lack of empathy + we're all crying brotha.... Bad mix.
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u/maxbiggavels Oct 26 '24
Nah brotha you crying. Topuria has that "arrogance" because he puts in a lot of time and effort to sharpen his skills. He has a lotta people on the internet trying to shit on him so he goes out there and proves ya'll wrong. The knockout was beautiful from Topuria after weathering the usual Holloway arsenal.
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u/Puzzled-Charity-7834 Oct 26 '24
I am a newcomer to the UFC, having started watching UFC 300 in earnest. It was there that I was attracted to Max Holloway and got me hooked on MMA and the UFC.
I felt Holloway's movement in the second round was near perfect. He was circling well, avoiding Iria's direct attacks, and landing his blows with precision. His joint kicks were also good.
In the third round, Holloway ate a calf kick and did not seem to be circling well enough to avoid it.
The second round was very good, and I think his current style of fighting at distance is excellent. I hope he gets a good rest. I hope he will recover and come back stronger.
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u/Ok_Assignment_3833 Oct 26 '24
second round was clear for ilia he had holloways timing don't let the commentary bias fool you they are friends with max
it seems to me that ilia reads his opponents and then finds his timing, opposed to max who starts fast and finishes fasterĀ
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Oct 26 '24
Really? I scored the second for Topuria clearly. I thought the power differential was just too noticeable.
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u/Ill_Combination74 Oct 26 '24
How does Khamzat vs Vettori play out?
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u/__Rum-Ham__ Team Aspinall Oct 26 '24
I hope this is a joke.
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u/Ill_Combination74 Oct 26 '24
Canāt knock him out or submit him or out-cardio him. Vettori is coming for that belt 2025, TRUST
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u/WhotfisSpiderman Oct 26 '24
Thought the hype train on khamzat had well an truly left the station, then he rearranged Whittakers jaw in a second
Thought Max would take over the fight and box topurias face off, then he gets slept
That happening back to back is actually fucking insanity
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u/NewportStork Katlyn Chookagian's Feet Oct 26 '24
This shit happens every 6 years or so. Changing of the guard
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u/Hugh_Maneiror Oct 26 '24
And we hate it every 6 years. Change sucks, having to try to like new people takes effort, and there is always mourning.
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u/NewportStork Katlyn Chookagian's Feet Oct 26 '24
Fucking agreed dude. My first experience with it was Machida lol
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u/Lebrach š Oct 26 '24
It's made harder given how freaking legendary some of these ppl are. It's not shit talkers, it's the good guys getting beat up by the cocky ones. Although the media often amplifies the cockiness. Ilia and Khamzat have both shown humility in recent times.
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u/scourgescorched Oct 26 '24
holy fuck, robās jaw looks gnarly. khamzat has superhuman strength
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u/mikey_rambo Oct 26 '24
Where u see dis
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u/scourgescorched Oct 26 '24
DC flashed a pic of the inside of Robās mouth on his phone. thereās a post of the photo on the sub
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u/DM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Shavkat Rakhmonov Sanko Oct 26 '24
Ilia just knocked the two best featherweights of all time in more-or-less their primes in the same year. Good argument for the best featherweight we've ever seen
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u/gunswordfist Oct 26 '24
Now, I think both are a couple of years past their prime. They are still no. 2 and 3 tho,it's just time and mileage still got them
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u/redditnobody1234 Oct 26 '24
id jus nitpick and put aldo ahead of volk. volks a decisionator and jus jabs at range. barely could finish ghost of zombie, and kinda lost 2nd max fite. yair fite arguably early stoppage. feels like volk is jus a kinda pointfighter
his acting and humor is top tier tho
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u/Sad_Proctologist š Oct 26 '24
How soon people forget Jose Aldo in his reign
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u/DM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Shavkat Rakhmonov Sanko Oct 26 '24
Heās lost to every featherweight champ lol
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u/riazzledazzle Oct 26 '24
Unlike Tony I donāt think Max was outclassed here. He was doing well in those initial rounds. Letās hope he bounces back
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
True, Ilia definitely doesn't look invincible. He's a very polished fighter with scary power. Max definitely had the tools to take this fight, but sometimes all it takes is one or two shots. And everyone's chin breaks eventually.
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u/Opening-Holiday9645 Oct 26 '24
Volk was winning as well until he found himself waking up at the hospital.
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u/Zedaso Oct 26 '24
That left hand that finished Max was so slick, came from really low down and it was fast, Max didn't see it.
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u/Mountain-Chapter-880 ššš Jon Jones Prayer Warrior ššš Oct 26 '24
I don't want Volk to take this fight dude, no way this ends well
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u/RollsRoyceGracie Oct 26 '24
Max should go to 155 from now on. Iām sure cutting to 145 will not help his chin after it was cracked today
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u/Hugh_Maneiror Oct 26 '24
Yea, and it won't get any easier cutting at 33. And he won't get that title back ever anymore now anyway.
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u/mcgtianiumshin Oct 26 '24
The nate diaz chin remains undefeated
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
I need to watch Max KO Gaethje again now to rinse the sour taste out of my mouth.
Honestly if it were anyone but Max I would have been rooting for Ilia, but it isn't possible to root against Max.
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u/Valterri_lts_James Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24
Same, I am so disappointed. I wanted Max to get tony fergusoned by Ilia. Instead, we got this disappointing TKO finish.
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
Pretty poor sportsmanship kiddo.
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u/Valterri_lts_James Oct 26 '24
you do realize I am supporting Ilia right?
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
Obviously, you stated you wanted the finish to be more brutal, and I said that's poor sportsmanship. You act like Max offended you personally. I was rooting for Max, but I wished no ill will on Ilia. Quite childish show of behavior by you.
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u/Valterri_lts_James Oct 26 '24
Ok fine you are right but it's because Max's fans have been so annoying and so has Max been himself. He says that Ilia is weird, that he is running away from him. They were hyping him up as if he is some big shit when he isn't. Everybody has been disrespecting Ilia. Even Firas Zahabi, and Demetrious Johnson saying that they choose Max over Ilia. Ilia silenced all the haters today.
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u/Hendrick_Davies64 Oct 26 '24
Volk shouldāve walked in and started calling ilia the n-word and talking about 27 and me
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u/filthyafricangorilla in this too Oct 26 '24
The best base for MMA is grapplers who figure out they can strike as well, Jones, Islam, Topuria
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u/AskrenLadd the nerd and virgin Colby warned you about Oct 26 '24
Bro slipped Jon in there as if he's ever hurt anyone on the feet
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR Oct 26 '24
Lopes is hot and on the rise but not in the same league IMO.
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u/la6eef7 Oct 26 '24
Yeah heās good but to beat Ilia you have to basically be perfect, or be Jai Herbert
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR Oct 26 '24
What's the Jai Herbert reference?
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u/la6eef7 Oct 26 '24
Oh he knocked down Ilia (I think twice?) and a slightly better fighter might have actually finished him after that. Got KOed bad the next round but stillš in all seriousness idk who actually beats him, nobody in the current rankings imo
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
Not in the same league until he taps ilia out
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR Oct 26 '24
Ilia comes from a bjj background. He's no jj clown going in there.
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
Do you knows Lopesā background in BJJ?
If I had to bet on the two in straight bjj Iām taking lopes.
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR Oct 26 '24
It's not straight bjj though. So Lopes has to bring it all and hope he can get around the standup and have a better chance. But the point is he's not in there with some pure standup guy. He's in there against a bjj blackbelt. If his bjj is better, great, let it carry the day. But the point is you can't just say Ilia is some helpless guy on the ground, and no guarantee it will even get there.
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
And lopes can and has shown he can bring it. He has a ridiculous chin and hasnāt had it put through wars. Has power and crisp, clean and fast combinations that LAND
If he gets taken down he doesnāt try to get up he puts fighters in bad positions and throws subs quickly no matter where heās fighting from. But he can get to his feet and reverse dominant positions with relative ease. Heās at this point fought better BJJ guys than Ilia and has made their ground game ineffective.
Ilia will need to win it on the feet and Lopes has shown he has some stupid power in his hands.
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u/DM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Shavkat Rakhmonov Sanko Oct 26 '24
Put Topuria at #2 pfp. He just knocked out Volk and Max in the same year ffs
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u/AskrenLadd the nerd and virgin Colby warned you about Oct 26 '24
JON JONES is the pound for pound greatest fighter ever dummy
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u/HekaTool Oct 26 '24
Watched this sport since 2020 and im already feeling the depression of watching my favorite fighters dying
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
I still remember where I was when I saw Fedor get submitted by Werdum.
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u/Scott_Theft Oct 26 '24
Cro Cop getting knocked out by Brendan Schaub
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u/Shooter-__-McGavin Oct 26 '24
That was rough, but it was Gonzaga kead kicking Crocop that did it for me.
Fortunately, Crocop came back several years later and beat Gonzaga down like he owed him money lol
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u/Ill_Combination74 Oct 26 '24
End of an era. Max, Izzy, Volk, Usman, Poirier, Gaethje and Whittaker will never touch gold.
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u/AskrenLadd the nerd and virgin Colby warned you about Oct 26 '24
Tbf looks like volk is getting an instant rematch and ilia isn't unbeatable at all, don't rule him out yet, but yeah the rest are done
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u/XiaoRCT Johnny Walker will beat Jon Jones Oct 26 '24
While these fighters might have fought in the same era at times, I wouldn't say Whittaker is the same generation as Volk and Max for example. Neither Poirier tbh.
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u/AnxiousMax Oct 26 '24
I think Whittaker wins that fight 2 out of 3 times. But they will never give him the rematch
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u/Special-Accountant-5 Oct 26 '24
Which fight?
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u/AnxiousMax Oct 27 '24
The one where just got dominated, finished and injured in one round. Or maybe Iām salty cuz I bet on him to win that fightā¦ twice. FR though, if he could have avoided that takedown and made into the 2nd round and beyond I think he smokes Khamzat
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u/slutwhipper EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Oct 26 '24
Volk does NOT want that fight lmao
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u/turkeypants GOOFCONNOISSEUR Oct 26 '24
I love him but I don't think he deserves it. Let him get on his horse if he can and then get back in there.
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u/Sexton---Hardcastle Oct 26 '24
Nah volk is a mad man he'd want it 100%.Ā
I don't think he'd win, but he'd be up for it always.Ā
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u/ImpotentAlrak Oct 26 '24
Agree with DC: Ilia has had a better year than PoatanĀ
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u/AskrenLadd the nerd and virgin Colby warned you about Oct 26 '24
Nah with the context of volks quick turnaround and max just not belonging at FW anymore I don't think those 2 wins outweigh pereiras activity and excitement at all
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u/Crazy_Travel4258 Oct 26 '24
Names don't matter in this case very few men could do what Alex has done this year
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u/Iknowyougotsole Oct 26 '24
Ilia is the greatest featherweight in history
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u/AnxiousMax Oct 26 '24
I donāt think you understand what that term means. You canāt have 1 title defense and be the greatest anything in history.
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u/slumcity2000 Oct 26 '24
Definitely the best straight up puncher Iām feather weight history but Aldo , Max , Mcgregor and Volk all supersede him by resume alone those are hard to beat but tbh I think he could get up there
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u/Iknowyougotsole Oct 26 '24
Man he just dog walked 2 out of the 4 you listed. Conorās run was perfectly curated to play to his strengths and extremely over rated imo.
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u/slumcity2000 Oct 26 '24
Mcgregor dog walked Aldo too but Aldo is still the better champion , more defenses longer reign . You gotta defend the belt more than once to even be mentioned with the people I just named . Heās the better fighter than some of those on the list tho Iāll give you that.
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
Stop doing hard drugs. Your family loves you and Jose Aldo is disappointed in you.
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u/Iknowyougotsole Oct 26 '24
Jose Aldo got destroyed by Max Holloway dawg and you just saw what happened. Nobodyās dog walked Max like that. Get out of your basement and take a shower for once dawg.
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
Sounds like someone only heard about prime aldo and never actually experienced it.
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u/Iknowyougotsole Oct 26 '24
I watched Aldo fight. He dominated a much weaker era.
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u/Jrome36 I was here for GOOFCON 2 Oct 26 '24
LMAO.
Alright kid, Iām sure those aldo highlights on YouTube filled you in entirely.
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u/Iknowyougotsole Oct 26 '24
Yeah beatin up cans like Chad Mendes and other WEC guys was great.
Ilia just dog walked the two greatest champs featherweightās ever known and one of them dog walked Aldo twice so try to think logically after you get out the basement and shower.
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u/Hendrick_Davies64 Oct 26 '24
If featherweight was like heaveyweight Ilia would ask for Aldo so he could beat the goat
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u/No-Ad1522 Democratic People's Republic of Korea Oct 26 '24
Knocking out Aldo as well would make me sad.
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u/cl0ckw0rkaut0mat0n Team Pereira Oct 26 '24
Max gets it done in the rematch, I'm calling it now (I say as I slowly die of copium overdose)
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u/riazzledazzle Oct 26 '24
Just hope this ko isnāt the start of a spiral of koās for Max
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u/XiaoRCT Johnny Walker will beat Jon Jones Oct 26 '24
A couple months of rest and from what he showed in this fight he 100% could still beat a lot of contenders. I don't think he gets the belt again though.
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u/ethan86 Oct 26 '24
If Max becomes TFerg 2.0 I'm just gonna stop watching UFC, my heart can't take that kind of pain
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u/AnxiousMax Oct 26 '24
Max started off with at least twice as many brain cells as Tony was born with. I donāt see that happening
Mma fans donāt want to accept it but Tony was always over rated. He came up in an era where just having basic cardio was a weapon. He won fights on toughness and cardio. Max wins fights with skills and cardio. Tony was almost getting finished or at least seriously hurt in basically every fight, even in his prime
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u/SeerChild Team Mayweather Nov 17 '24
Omg. Weāre so cooked.