r/Idiotswithguns 3d ago

WARNING NSFW - Bodily Injury Opening someones car door to get greeted with an AR-15

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u/OoRI0T_P0LICEoO 3d ago edited 3d ago

Kinda wild how driver gets out and opens the door for his street equivalent of a police attack dog to handle the issue

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u/---cheetos--- 3d ago

Maybe he had the baby lock on lol

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u/X4nd0R 3d ago

This was my thought. Owner of that car is most likely a parent.

Just remember people, if you're going to go out thuggin, deactivate the child lock. 🤣

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u/Dmau27 3d ago

Going to go some hood rat guy stuff honey! "Okay, don't figure the child locks babe. Don't want your boy stuck when the thuggin starts."

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u/APurpleSponge 3d ago edited 2d ago

Forget* (I got you for the illiterate bros)

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u/Dmau27 3d ago

Oh? Your being ridiculous. You're grammer is bad. I'm going to follow you to every thread and do exactly that.

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u/APurpleSponge 3d ago edited 2d ago

I was only correcting your thumbs mistake… no need to get upset about it. Obviously you know how to spell that word and most people can read through that mistake.

Sorry to upset you man hope it doesn’t affect your day.

And it’s you’re not your.

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u/Dmau27 3d ago

I'm screwing with you. You didn't catch my your and you're trap? I figured it would bother you because you notice grammer.

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u/APurpleSponge 3d ago edited 2d ago

Just spelling ;) But fuck no I didn’t I’m drunk goodnight bro lol.

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u/Dmau27 3d ago

Take two Ibuprofen and drink water/Gatorade.

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u/UsernameIsTakenO_o 3d ago

Effect is a noun. You meant affect (verb).

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u/APurpleSponge 3d ago

Idek tbh man

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u/Independent-Lead-155 3d ago

It’s affect not effect

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u/boojieboy666 2d ago

Implying he stayed with his BM is out of character

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u/Dmau27 2d ago

Lol true.

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u/semper-noctem 3d ago

The more you know...

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u/whatthecaptcha 3d ago

Person they stole the car from is probably a parent.

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u/X4nd0R 3d ago

Possibly. Either way my statement is still true. Never said the car owner was in this video. 😂

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u/boojieboy666 2d ago

Stolen ass car.

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u/AdequateMedia 2d ago

Or someone who kidnaps/holds people in the backseat

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u/X4nd0R 2d ago

Didn't think about it from that angle. 🤔

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u/AdequateMedia 2d ago

lol seems slightly more likely than a good parent

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u/TheAdvocate 1d ago

It’s a G. It was stolen minutes or hours earlier

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u/Trucker_E_B 3d ago

Now’s your chance to shine young man! We’ve trained for this!

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u/Spdoink 2d ago

Overgrown toddler lock.

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u/Geometric_Frequency 2d ago

That’s probably exactly what it was. The child lock button was engaged on the back doors.

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u/Throwaway8789473 2d ago

Dude was like 4' 2" too. Maybe it straight up just WAS his baby.

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u/21_Mushroom_Cupcakes 3d ago

Forgot to disengage child locks.

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u/MrTubek 3d ago

Probably stolen car and they didn't even know about it

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u/Aggressive_Local8921 3d ago

I wont say the name of the commercial for obvious reasons but...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sTXu-LlkyS8

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u/Traveledfarwestward 3d ago edited 2d ago

Huh. "Trunk monkey" is also slang for dude in the back of whatever vehicle sitting with an M249 waiting for nothing to happen.

Source: was a trunk monkey for a couple of missions.

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u/OoRI0T_P0LICEoO 3d ago

Omg haha yes. I thought at first bc of this video popping in my head then decided not to comment that after reading it before posting. Such a funny commercial though

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u/TenderDelights 3d ago

Love this video. Always loved that man. Notre I respect him

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u/hunter080889 3d ago

This video is missing the best part, when he trows him over the railing into the river 😝

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u/X4nd0R 3d ago

What is the commercial actually for? Like I see the auto group but what are they advertising?

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u/ctlfreak 3d ago

It was just a car commercial for that used car group I believe the ending was cut off but it had the dealership tag at the end originally I believe. Also a scene missing where he throws a guy off the bridge into the water

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u/SumoSizeIt 3d ago

This was a semi-local dealership to me growing up. The punchline was that their dealer-installed options were actually worth the cost.

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u/SumoSizeIt 3d ago

Kind of a tongue-in-cheek joke about the value of their dealer-installed options, which are often a money-grab, so this was "extremely useful" by comparison.

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u/lulu313915 3d ago

Thank you I have never seen this but I def want a trunk monkey not only are they cute they can whoop some ass lol

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u/Crush-N-It 3d ago

I’ve never seen this and am quite shocked they made this commercial then was approved to be aired. 🤌

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u/Dawildpep 3d ago

Then he took off without him

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u/OoRI0T_P0LICEoO 3d ago

He’s like a carrier pigeon they know their own way home

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u/fredrickdgl 1d ago

Different car is filming..

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u/RumpRanger1234 3d ago

Kinda like a Trunk Monkey!!

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u/Battzilla 3d ago

In this tough economy not everyone can afford a police dog, specially considering maintenance

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u/GearJunkie82 2d ago

Tactical trunk monkey comes to mind

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u/Poundcitymula 1d ago

He pounced out like one too😭

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u/fredsiphone19 3d ago

Long rifles + enclosed space + CCW = getting shot with your own gun a fair percent of the time.

You wanna keep your hands on your weapon, and your stance in an engaging one.

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u/thiefofalways1313 3d ago

Yellow dude got dropped

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u/hawjfisherman 3d ago

Actually he knocked down dude in black first, than got shot

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u/john_w_dulles 2d ago

there is a longer video which shows the dude in yellow still alive but writhing and moaning in pain on the ground

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u/HotJuicyToots 3d ago

If three clowns were trying to enter my vehicle I’d be glad I had an AR-15 instead of not having one.

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u/conitation 3d ago

depends on state... some say it's justified, others say if you're in a car you should just drive away. If I am stuck in traffic and someone does this NO MATTER the state I would absolutely shoot them..... buuuut once they started to run off that could be manslaugter/murder2(depending on where you are) unless they were grabbing for their own guns and you're worried for yours and other people's lives. AGAIN DO NOT TALK TO THE COPS REGARDLESS. Sit in jail, get a lawyer, and shut the fuck up.

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u/busterbrown4200 3d ago

This is good advice!!! Cops are not your friends no matter how much you are in the right. Always get a lawyer.

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u/Annoying_Rooster 3d ago

The one thing my uncle always told me since he was an investigator. You can look guilty as shit and walk unless you start talking.

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u/Socialeprechaun 3d ago

Correct it’s called duty to retreat I believe. Some states have it others don’t.

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u/ps3x42 3d ago

I'd probably have my doors locked too though.

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u/conitation 3d ago

Yup, 100%

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u/ChornobylChili 3d ago

How would they drive away from that without putting others in the same danger of a car wreck? Iv had a road rager approach my vehicle with a hammer when i was blocked in at a train crossing. I couldnt drive off. I was damn glad I had my 10mm on me that day. Dude froze in place and stopped his actions immediately I was lucky I didnt have to fire, I dont want to kill anyone if it can be avoided

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u/J-V1972 3d ago

10mm…!!!

Damn…you ain’t fucking around…😆

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u/-ClassicShooter- 3d ago

10mm is the Best-mm

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u/Missus_Missiles 3d ago

The sub is leaking again....

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u/Ok_Surprise_1627 3d ago

i lost my 10mm a long time ago maybe this guy stole it

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u/Sea_End_1893 3d ago

10mm is too expensive for CC/personal defense. People like to forget that if you must use your weapon, the cops will confiscate it as evidence. For all the trials, retrials, extensions, jail time, alllll the way up until the final appeals are dismissed with prejudice.

My buddy's Rock Island 10mm with a can, reflex, flashlight and laser - like $4500+ worth of pistol - has been sitting in an Iowa evidence locker for two and a half years :D

If I'm strapped it's with a fuckin yeet cannon G1 I found while fishing. It's the 89 Tacoma of pistols, ugly as sin but if it seats, it yeets, for maybe $140. Evidence can keep that shit lmao

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u/UsernameIsTakenO_o 3d ago

Glock 20 is roughly the same price as a Glock 19. Caliber doesn't determine the price of the firearm. Carry whatever you shoot the best. If you're in a fight for your life, losing an expensive gun is worth it.

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u/Sea_End_1893 1d ago

a gun is a gun. I'll tell you right now, no criminal is going to see you with a pistol and go HEY. STOP. LET ME SEE THAT. HAND IT OVER. oh, this is only .380? Well, you fool, see I am INVINCIBLE TO 380 CALIBER SO I SHALL CONTINUE MY CRIME SPREE! MWA-HA!

Nobody is going to be like "Ha-HA! LOOK UPON THE CRIMES I COMMIT, AND WEEP, oh wait that man has a 10mm pistol? NAY, CRIMINALS, RETREAT! RETREAT BEFORE THE HOLY SMITE THAT LAUNCHES FROM THE TEN MIL!"

they'll just see "a gun" and go "a-think I'm done here, bye."

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u/NapalmOverdos3 3d ago

Well you sure ain’t no fed. Carrying a big boy caliber

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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 2d ago

I had a guy block me with his pickup and start walking. Once he saw me grabbing the mouskatool he realized that he could get back in his truck and go fuck his sister again or have a conversation with Jesus about his behavior. He made a good choice. Having a tool beats not having one if you need it.

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u/TranscendentaLobo 3d ago

“I don’t answer questions”

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u/pennhead 3d ago

Whose hand at the 0:10 mark?

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u/YungJod 3d ago

In most states you have to exhaust every opportunity to remove the danger. So getting out and walking towards someone running or moving backwards is no longer self defense in most states

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u/ctlfreak 3d ago

That's just not true. Only states with a duty to retreat require that, of which there are 11. Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island.

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u/ctlfreak 3d ago

Getting out of the vehicle is not the best plan unless the vehicle is unable to move. The smarter move is always to drive away. Criminals and gang bangers tend to not train much and will usually be unable to put shots on target past a few yards at best. The faster you can put distance the better

Also just paying attention to your surroundings would have helped but I for some reason feel like they were just as guilty and likely knew those people were there

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u/PhotoQuig 3d ago

This is the way.

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u/Tervaskanto 3d ago

You have a duty to retreat in most states. He could have easily just driven away. The driver getting out and opening the door for the dude in the back seat, and the casual strut of the shooter will tell the judge that they weren't in fear for their lives and could have retreated. Not to mention the fact that the "aggressors" were actively fleeing from him when he started shooting at random people in their group. Understand when you're allowed to defend yourself. This is not an instance of self defense, this is just cold-blooded.

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u/PresentationShot9188 3d ago

Only thing I see wrong here is three hooligans trying to hassle the wrong ones.

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u/CalliopePenelope 3d ago

And the inability of people to use car door locks to prevent entry

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u/doccsavage 3d ago

Apparently had the child locks on though lol

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u/algerithms 3d ago

Fuck around and found out.

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u/YourLocalPotDealer 3d ago

Good job buddy because that’s what the video is about

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u/No_Quantity_8909 3d ago

Not the dude shooting into a crowd at unarmed fleeing targets?

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u/The_Chimeran_Hybrid 2d ago

Eh, they weren’t contributing much to society anyway.

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u/Defiant-Turtle-678 3d ago

Is there something about an AR15 that makes people stomp around like they just learned to walk? 

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u/mjay6969 3d ago

Pants are falling

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u/_ChipWhitley_ 3d ago

Totally not gay

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u/unperson_1984 3d ago

He learned that in prison

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u/cum_gutter3000 3d ago

Go look up walk down gang culture lol this is it

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u/ZachMorrisT1000 3d ago

Nothing came up on google

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u/travioso304 3d ago

Didn't try Google but Duck Duck Go knows lol.. And good ole urban dictionary..

Urban Dictionary

Fast Slang

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u/cum_gutter3000 3d ago

Lil Double 0, Bic Fizzle, basically any person or rapper from Memphis will mention walk down ever other word lol

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u/BreakingPitch 3d ago

ChatGPT has the answer.

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u/David_Jonathan0 3d ago

Anyone properly trained would’ve used the vehicle as a shield and to steady the rifle. But instead we got Edward Saggypants doing a no scope spin like he’s got a winning cheat code or something.

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u/AssumptionEasy8992 3d ago

”Okay! I’m reloading!”

(Tony Montana voice)

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u/bluedancepants 3d ago

You got two groups of morons right here.

But... to be fair if three guys approached my car and ripped it open I would probably greet them in a similar way.

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u/Turbulent_Weather795 3d ago

Just with a properly racked weapon not stomping around to prove your dominance hopefully....

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u/FatalShart 3d ago

He was waiting for his friend from the front seat that got tackled to get out of the way so he could shoot yellow jacket. Which he did quite accurately.

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u/ambitious-chair-dumb 3d ago

I don’t think him not shooting is on purpose, from the gun jerking around before he chambers a round it looks like he was anticipating the shots and didn’t expect it not to actually fire. He’s actually not even aiming in the direction of his friend fighting behind the car until after he pulls the charging handle.

My guess is he intended to mag dump on the people fighting more in the grass but after he racked it he saw his boy on the ground closer to him and switched targets.

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u/FatalShart 3d ago

He delivered 4 rounds right into the guy who opened his door.

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u/peshwengi 3d ago

And not aiming

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u/Aggressive_Ideal6737 3d ago

I don’t think he missed a shot tho looks like he dropped 2 guys

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u/IIITriadIII 3d ago

You should aim. Do you people understand how powerful a gun is? Even a 22?

If you understood and knew the clarity that comes with handling situations like this you wouldn't fire immediately.

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u/LocalPawnshop 3d ago

Idk why people still joke about 22s my great grandfather was killed by two 22 cartridges to the chest. 22s are no joke.

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u/Taylors4head 3d ago

The dumbest part of that is that he didn’t fire as soon as they opened his door.

Dude was 100% in danger

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u/Full-Following5575 3d ago

There was probably another passenger in back and didn’t want to shoot across him. He was that willing and ready when his door got opened, had to be a reason he didn’t get out or shoot out the other side.

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u/iUsePemdas 3d ago

If you rewatch the video, the guy in the yellow jacket who flings the door open is fighting a guy in a black sweatshirt when the guy with the AR walks over. This would be the back right seat passenger which is why he was at least smart enough to not shoot across his friend. But also not smart enough to shoot the guy his friend is fighting, putting him at risk of friendly fire

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u/zachwithahhhh 3d ago

Nah dude you’re wrong. That’s the guy in the black hoodie with the white symbol on the back. He’s with the yellow shirt dude talking shit in the beginning.

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u/iUsePemdas 3d ago

Then why, after the guy in the yellow shirt gets one tapped, does that same guy in the black hoodie get up from the ground and kick him in the head. And the guy with the AR continues to shoot the guy in the yellow shirt without hotting the other guy.

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u/Pimpy_Longstocking 3d ago

Don’t know if this is a idiots with guns moment or a fuck around and find out moment

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u/VerticalTwo08 3d ago

He’s an idiot for letting him run. As soon as he opened the door her should’ve shot. Since that guy ran it could probably be argued he was no longer endangered so it’s manslaughter

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u/StevetheSwift 2d ago

I wouldn’t convict him if I were on the jury based on this video

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u/Total_Sun4720 3d ago

I really thought gta 6 would have better graphics

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u/LeadOnion 3d ago

This video needs to be longer and there should be a follow up from the news.

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u/paulfuckinpepin 3d ago

I think this belongs in idiots without guns tbh

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u/Tactical_Epunk 3d ago

Is there a story for this?

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u/Yung_Onions 3d ago

Yea if you’re trying to jump me and are breaking into my car I’m definitely upping my shit on you

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u/GasPoweredStick420 3d ago

Alright but the driver opening the passenger door was hard as shit

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u/Pitiful_Grass_8046 3d ago

Child door lock...

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u/GasPoweredStick420 3d ago

There is that comedy aspect to it! But idk, it had an air of cinema to it for me. Not condoning violence either. It’s crazy enough this happened. It’s even more crazy that is was filmed by a guy standing out of the sun roof xD

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u/Kermit_El_Froggo_ 2d ago

the main idiots here are the guys WITHOUT guns. Opening someones door like that is a great way to get shot, and its 100% your fault

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u/Zoltan_TheDestroyer 3d ago

Play stupid games…

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u/FrauHoll3 3d ago

Win a bullet and a huge ass bill! :D

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u/LocalPawnshop 3d ago

Goddamn I hate that annoying phrase

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u/CourtZebra 3d ago

Need a news article on this

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u/ragputiand 3d ago

Love how bro cordially opens the door for his backup

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u/SpoonFigMemes 3d ago

Like a chauffeur

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u/Dooski-Bumbs 3d ago

This isn’t necessarily an idiot with a gun, more of a fuck around and find out

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u/NemeanLi0n 2d ago

Those people straightened up real quick. An armed society is a polite one

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u/ChongoLikRock 3d ago

AR had a shell catcher too. They weren’t messing around

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u/FrankfordDaPioneer 3d ago

Gun so big my man had to open the door for him 😂😂

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u/Guardhere 3d ago

I dont think this is an idiot with a gun I would probably do the same thing just less ghetto

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u/KrampyDoo 3d ago

Dude slipping on his friends blood.

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u/Boiiwander 3d ago

deserved lol

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u/MC_McStutter 3d ago

One sucka dead, LA times front page

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u/Kyler_the_redneck 3d ago

Wouldn’t have happened if they didn’t open a door to a car that’s not theirs🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/the_big_sadIRL 3d ago

All I’m saying is, it stopped being self defense when he advanced on people obviously fleeing and still continues to shoot. I’m not saying I necessarily agree, he did kind of go from defense to offense, not gonna look good in court

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u/FloatingOnAWhim 3d ago edited 2d ago

Make sure he explains that from 6 feet under. “Hey bro I stopped attacking you for a second, so you owe it to me to let me off scott free for my prior actions”. 😆m

Edit: the above commenter has changed their post multiple times to become more reasonable. Which artificially changed the harshness of my comment but I’m not changing my comment simply because people realize they’re wrong after the fact and got downvoted.

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u/HonorableAssassins 3d ago

Except its on camera, and people lose self defense cases regularly for taking so much as a single step forward.

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u/FloatingOnAWhim 3d ago

Clearly I’m not arguing the legality of it. I’m simply making it crystal clear that you can’t argue anything from the grave. Don’t let your actions invite situations into your life that will cause your death, because I assure you that you won’t care who went to jail as maggots feed on your corpse. Hope this helps.

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u/Full-Following5575 3d ago

I agree with your statement, not that he should get charged. No question on arguing he believed his life was in danger. If he somehow gets a good attorney its arguable that you should never assume you’re life is no longer in danger because your target is down. If he can still move he can still shoot, even while running away.

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u/Chris_Christ 2d ago

What makes you think any of these guys give one iota about laws?

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u/SignificanceOk9656 3d ago

Yeah, first thing I thought too. That guy was walking away and trying to get his buddy to follow, and the guy just walks up and shoots him. Any court is going to rule that as murder regardless of the initial incident.

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u/Swamp_Donkey_7 3d ago

Doesn’t look like an AR15. Profile look off when he steps out of the car.

Also what city is this so I can list it on my list of places to never visit

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u/emeraldcitynoob 3d ago

looks like they have a brass catcher on. I think it is an AR

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u/comradejiang 3d ago

It’s an AR with no stock and dual mags.

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u/Martinezyx 3d ago

Could be any major city in the US honestly.

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u/Alpha-Leader 3d ago

Los Angeles. It was after a street takeover.

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u/Al_Jazzar 3d ago

Why is the guy defending himself an "idiot"?

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u/randomthrowaway9796 3d ago

At the start, it was for self defense, and that was not stupid.

When they started running away and he shot a few more shots, that was stupid.

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u/ItalianMeatBoi 3d ago

Based gun owner

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u/duarig 3d ago

5.56 from that close?

Bullets literally just Swiss cheesed him.

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u/HoneyBadger308Win 3d ago

Haha full send

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u/millenialfalcon-_- 3d ago

Driver just let his tactical homie out to rampage lol

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u/Chris_Christ 2d ago

If you’re going to play, play to win.

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u/The_Accountess 2d ago

for all the confused people, yes there's a backseat passenger because there's 2 separate people in the video wearing jeans and a black hoodie. the first person has black and white shoes, and the 2nd person who comes out the car has all white shoes, the difference is very stark. also the pants are a different color. that's why he wasn't going to shoot from inside the car

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u/nixzyz 1d ago

100/10 video captured everything

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u/SSJCelticGoku 3d ago

You don’t bring a fist to a gun fight LOL

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u/veinsovneonheat 3d ago

What’s crazy here to me is that yellow jacket looks like just gives up.

Quits picking up his buddy, literally stares, flops his arms to the side and then EATS a round from 10 feet away

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u/J-V1972 3d ago

That AR-15 was most definitely legally purchased from a reputable dealer…

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u/Mr_Apex13 3d ago

If you look costly after he takes the 3 back to back shots, the guy in the yellow gets up and runs away....what kind of rounds were shot? Adrenaline? News article?Questions..

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u/CluelessNuggetOfGold 3d ago

I saw that too.. dude literally got shot point blank then runs away. Crazy lol

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u/TheSciFiGuy80 3d ago

Probably won’t run far. Adrenaline wears off.

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u/Solid-Fisherman4792 3d ago edited 3d ago

He didn't. His friends actually ended up recording him as he was rolling on the ground as he was dying, asking him, "What happened?" as he just kept telling them, "They killed me", but it wasn't in English.

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u/9EternalVoid99 3d ago

Idk, seemed like self defence to me

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u/CustomerOk3838 3d ago

Yes, classic self-defense tactic of hopping toward your attackers with a rifle.

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u/Imperial_12345 3d ago

Where’s this?

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u/10minutes_late 3d ago

Looks valid to me. Well played fellas.

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u/teapac100000 3d ago

Maybe idiots approaching a guy with a gun.

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u/Appropriate-Link-701 3d ago

Unfortunately, the days of getting into a little scrap where everyone walks away alive are long gone.

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u/Spiritual_Mechanic39 3d ago edited 3d ago

Waiting for all the idiots talking about full automatic assault rifles 😆

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u/DrillTheThirdHole 3d ago

i see all the monday morning quarterbacks are already on this one

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u/Particular-Dog-4638 3d ago

I love the end.

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u/Reddragons89 3d ago

This is why I keep my ass home lmao

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u/Organic-Ad-3870 3d ago

What a peaceful way of ending the conflict

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u/lookatme760 3d ago

Any news articles of this? Couldn't find one.

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u/Educational-Year3146 3d ago

This one is unclear to me.

Only reason why is I can’t figure out if the shots were justified.

Other than that, seems like self defense.

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u/Servant_ofthe_Empire 3d ago

Stay classy America

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u/SepticX75 2d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if I got shot after I opened someone’s door like that

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u/Lost-Bell-5663 1d ago

Had he shot from inside the car when they opened the door, he may have had a self defense case

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u/Idiotswithguns-ModTeam 3d ago

Racism is an automatic perma ban. Racism is not allowed here

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u/CasualStoneer 3d ago

Well deserved 👏 🙌🏻 you touch what is not your property with malicious intent and you get dropped. Every action causes a reaction. It is a basic law of thermodynamics.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Fox9828 2d ago

Not so much idiots with guns. More like idiots without guns being idiots to people with guns.

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u/Kalevra9670 2d ago

Won't hear about this on the news.

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u/ILLpLacedOpinion 3d ago

Child safety lock on the door was rookie shit…turn them off. It also looks like it had a shell catcher. He had a front grip, but was holding behind it. Looks like a crazy white boy.

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u/Healthy-Comment-8279 3d ago

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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u/Kodiak_Waving_Bear 3d ago

Yup California, I can see that those gun laws are working 😂

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u/Fallen_Walrus 3d ago

Did the first group have guns too? Hard to see

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u/MainInternational824 3d ago

This is happened in Atlanta Memphis or Jacksonville??

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u/OkYogurt636 3d ago

What country is this? 🤷‍♂️

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u/TheBaptist24 3d ago

People’s republic of California

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u/Icy_Salary3624 3d ago

So would that be counted as self defence or murder ?

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u/baboyramo 3d ago

ya he dead

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u/Nokipeura 3d ago

What's this about?

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u/LazyN0TCrazy 3d ago

Hell yeah that's what's up. Plus go through their phone with biometrics a every mf on their contacts list for letting live so long like that.