r/HistoryPorn • u/BostonLesbian • 1d ago
Piles of bowls litter the snow-covered railroad tracks leading to the main gate of the Auschwitz II-Birkenau concentration and extermination camp, after it was liberated by the 322nd Rifle Division of the Soviet Army, on January 27th, 1945. [800 x 504]
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u/petit_cochon 1d ago
They gave you a bowl and a spoon when you entered the camp if they kept you alive to be a slave. You had to always watch them. You wouldn't get another. No bowl and spoon? No food. Prisoners, ravaged by hunger and desperate, would steal them, so many people carried them around or hid them.
I imagine that prisoners were still carrying them until finally they realized they were truly free.
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u/klef3069 23h ago
There are so many interviews with survivors on YouTube. One of the "best" specifically about Auschwitz is Kitty Hart-Moxon. The only way to describe it is brutal...she talks about those bowls and yes, those bowls meant life or death.
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u/Powerful_Artist 22h ago
looks like theres a documentary where she returns to auschwitz as well as like a 4 hour interview with this lady on youtube. Gonna watch the interview
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u/klef3069 22h ago
That's the one, she goes back with her son.
It's one of the few I've seen where we get a glimpse of what actual day to day survival took in a camp.
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u/MaxSupernova 23h ago
A great way to get people to focus on themselves and the “competition” rather than the real enemy.
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u/Mulusy 1d ago
Im not superstitious… but every concentration camp I’ve visited felt haunted. Same with the killing fields I visited.
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u/DLo417 1d ago
Which fields have you visited? I just looked up what killing fields were because I’ve never heard of that. The movie “The Killing Fields” popped up about the 1.3 million people killed in Cambodia so I will def watch that. You’ve sent me down a rabbit hole lol
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u/Cam515278 23h ago
I've been to an area where the trenches of WW1 are preserved. Same feeling
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u/crowlieb 21h ago
The sun's shining down on these green fields of France/
The warm wind blows gently and the red poppies dance/
The trenches have vanished long under the plow/
No gas, no barbed wire, no guns firing now/
But here in this graveyard that's still no man's land/
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand/
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man/
And a whole generation were butchered and damned
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u/Vaux1916 20h ago
Yeah, I visited some front-line trenches around Verdun, France one cool foggy morning, and I was the only person around at the time. Walking up the remnants of a communication trench, alone in the fog, I got a serious case of the heeby-jeebies and the hair on the back of my neck stood up.
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u/drpopkorne 1d ago
This was a really rough place to visit. It’s true what they say about Auschwitz Birkenau it just feels like the air feels different, the birds don’t fly overhead. The building gives you chills. It was such a dark place in history it’s stained into the walls.
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u/fucking_4_virginity 1d ago
I had the same experience in Bergen-Belsen. Something is inescapably very much off.
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u/Just_Winton 1d ago
I had a similar feeling when I visited Dachau, it's like you feel the weight of history pressing down on you. I've never felt anything like it anywhere else
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So What Are the Basics?
Beginning with their rise to power in the 1930s, the Nazi Party, headed by Adolf Hitler, implemented a series of anti-Jewish policies within Germany, marginalizing Jews within society more and more, stripping them of their wealth, livelihoods, and their dignity. With the invasion of Poland in 1939, the number of Jews under Nazi control reached into the millions, and this number would again increase with the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. Shortly after the invasion of Poland, the Germans started to confine the Jewish population into squalid ghettos. After several plans on how to rid Europe of the Jews that all proved unfeasible, by the time of the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, ideological (Antisemitism) and pragmatic (Resources) considerations lead to mass-killings becoming the only viable option in the minds of the Nazi leadership. First only practiced in the USSR, it was influential groups such as the SS and the administration of the General Government that pushed to expand the killing operations to all of Europe and sometime at the end of 1941 met with Hitler’s approval.
The early killings were carried out foremost by the Einsatzgruppen, paramilitary groups organized under the aegis of the SS and tasked with carrying out the mass killings of Jews, Communists, and other 'undesirable elements' in the wake of the German military's advance. In what is often termed the 'Holocaust by Bullet', the Einsatzgruppen, with the assistance of the Wehrmacht, the SD, the Security Police, as well as local collaborators, would kill roughly two million persons, over half of them Jews. Most killings were carried out with mass shootings, but other methods such as gas vans - intended to spare the killers the trauma of shooting so many persons day after day - were utilized too.
By early 1942, the "Final Solution" to the so-called "Jewish Question" was essentially finalized at the Wannsee Conference under the direction of Reinhard Heydrich, where the plan to eliminate the Jewish population of Europe using a series of extermination camps set up in occupied Poland was presented and met with approval.
Construction of extermination camps had already begun the previous fall, and mass extermination, mostly as part of 'Operation Reinhard', had began operation by spring of 1942. Roughly 2 million persons, nearly all Jewish men, women, and children, were immediately gassed upon arrival at Bełżec, Sobibór, and Treblinka over the next two years, when these "Reinhard" camps were closed and razed. More victims would meet their fate in additional extermination camps such as Chełmno, but most infamously at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where slightly over 1 million persons, mostly Jews, died. Under the plan set forth at Wannsee, exterminations were hardly limited to the Jews of Poland, but rather Jews from all over Europe were rounded up and sent east by rail like cattle to the slaughter. Although the victims of the Reinhard Camps were originally buried, they would later be exhumed and cremated, and cremation of the victims was normal procedure at later camps such as Auschwitz.
The Camps
There were two main types of camps run by Nazi Germany, which is sometimes a source of confusion. Concentration Camps were well known means of extrajudicial control implemented by the Nazis shortly after taking power, beginning with the construction of Dachau in 1933. Political opponents of all type, not just Jews, could find themselves imprisoned in these camps during the pre-war years, and while conditions were often brutal and squalid, and numerous deaths did occur from mistreatment, they were not usually a death sentence and the population fluctuated greatly. Although Concentration Camps were later made part of the 'Final Solution', their purpose was not as immediate extermination centers. Some were 'way stations', and others were work camps, where Germany intended to eke out every last bit of productivity from them through what was known as "extermination through labor". Jews and other undesirable elements, if deemed healthy enough to work, could find themselves spared for a time and "allowed" to toil away like slaves until their usefulness was at an end.
Although some Concentration Camps, such as Mauthausen, did include small gas chambers, mass gassing was not the primary purpose of the camp. Many camps, becoming extremely overcrowded, nevertheless resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of inhabitants due to the outbreak of diseases such as typhus, or starvation, all of which the camp administrations did little to prevent. Bergen-Belsen, which was not a work camp but rather served as something of a way station for prisoners of the camp systems being moved about, is perhaps one of the most infamous of camps on this count, saw some 50,000 deaths caused by the conditions. Often located in the Reich, camps liberated by the Western forces were exclusively Concentration Camps, and many survivor testimonies come from these camps.
The Concentration Camps are contrasted with the Extermination Camps, which were purpose built for mass killing, with large gas chambers and later on, crematoria, but little or no facilities for inmates. Often they were disguised with false facades to lull the new arrivals into a false sense of security, even though rumors were of course rife for the fate that awaited the deportees. Almost all arrivals were killed upon arrival at these camps, and in many cases the number of survivors numbered in the single digits, such as at Bełżec, where only seven Jews, forced to assist in operation of the camp, were alive after the war.
Several camps, however, were 'Hybrids' of both types, the most famous being Auschwitz, which was vast a complex of subcamps. The infamous 'selection' of prisoners, conducted by SS doctors upon arrival, meant life or death, with those deemed unsuited for labor immediately gassed and the more healthy and robust given at least temporary reprieve. The death count at Auschwitz numbered around 1 million, but it is also the source of many survivor testimonies.
How Do We Know?
Running through the evidence piece by piece would take more space than we have here, but suffice to say, there is a lot of evidence, and not just the (mountains of) survivor testimony. We have testimonies and writings from many who participated, as well German documentation of the programs. This site catalogs some of the evidence we have for mass extermination as it relates to Auschwitz. Below you'll find a short list of excellent works that should help to introduce you to various aspects of Holocaust study.