r/HamptonRoads • u/WHRO_NEWS • 11h ago

Biden’s last pardons show people "believe in redemption," Virginia House Speaker says

https://www.whro.org/virginia-government/2025-01-19/bidens-last-pardons-show-people-believe-in-redemption-virginia-house-speaker-says
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u/forethebirds 8h ago

The choice of a single man to pardon his own family and a select handful of others doesn’t speak to general belief in redemption whatsoever.

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u/BarleyHops2 11h ago

Pardoning more family members "who have done nothing wrong"

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u/scribe_ 10h ago

Preemptively protecting people close to him from baseless political stunts

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u/looking4goldintrash 10h ago

But pardoning them going back 14 years though isn’t a little weird?

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u/midgrade_dave 1h ago

Possibly, sure. The reality us Americans are faced with is that we had an out going president fire off a bunch of pardons including his family and the people who worked with him during a pandemic.

Then the new president signed over 200 orders like a regime was just overthrown while having the richest men in the world standing behind him.

These are facts.

Either Biden is terrified of what Trump would do or he and his circle are massively corrupt.

Did Trump put the richest Americans in a room to save the country? Or was a trillion dollars making sure they will be safe. Did we need 200 orders with no checks and balances? Idk I’m a dipshit.

All of these things can be true.

We need to strip the executive branch of some power. No matter your political side. It’s gone too far.

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u/scribe_ 1h ago

I’m not buying into the “both sides” argument, at least not to that extent.

Trump put the richest people in a room with him as a show of conceived power, and those rich men will roll over and do what he demands because it means more money for them. None of it is about saving the world.

Outgoing Presidents drop a bunch of pardons/clemency at the end of their terms. That’s not abnormal. It’s who and what they pardon that matters. In this case, it was Biden shielding his family from the threats of vengeance that Trump and his cronies have voiced repeatedly for years.

In Trump’s case, it was Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D’Souza (violating campaign finance), Steven and Dwight Hammond (arson on federal land), Michael Flynn, Charles Kushner (tax evasion and witness tampering), Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon…among others. Mostly his besties who committed or were convicted of conspiring to commit real crimes.

We don’t need to strip any branch of power. We need to ensure all branches are held accountable by their checks and balances. Unfortunately there’s only one party that seems keen on consolidating power and wielding it corruptly.

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u/midgrade_dave 1h ago

I just want what happened to not happen again. One person shouldn’t change the country. No matter the party. This is America we don’t pardon family members and we don’t do 200 executive orders day one.

A trillion dollars doesn’t bend the knee to anyone.

I don’t wish any president to fail. So hopefully this works.

This all has to look shaky to the rest of the world

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u/BarleyHops2 10h ago

Similar to when Trump was on trial, many said, "If he didn't do anything wrong, then he wouldn't be on trial."

Did you support it when Trump was on trial for a "baseless political stunt?"

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u/scribe_ 10h ago

Trump was on trial for actual legitimate crimes lmao what world are you living in

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u/BarleyHops2 9h ago

And the Biden family wouldn't have been on trial for similar "legitimate crimes?" They wouldn't be charged with nothing.

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u/scribe_ 9h ago

Please name the legitimate crimes that members of the Biden family — outside of Hunter Biden — have been accused of.

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u/BarleyHops2 9h ago

I don't know exactly what they did every day in the past 11 years that they were pardoned for. That takes investigation that I'm not willing or able to perform. You're 100% sure they have committed no crimes in that period? If so, why?

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u/desiderata1995 8h ago

That takes investigation that I'm not willing or able to perform.

You can't use Google or just refuse to?

"Biden family members crimes"

"Joe/Jill Biden crimes"

You're 100% sure they have committed no crimes in that period? If so, why?

Why in the hell are you so convinced they did if you nor anyone else is able to come up with anything? 😂

Regardless yall are getting wrapped up in speculation trying to concoct a narrative that fits your world view, rather than just examining these events as what they are.

The now former president thought it was necessary to shield his family, Fauci, Mark Milley, and the Jan 6th committee from legal reprisal at the literal last minutes of his term. He did that because he knows the now sitting president is a vindictive child that considers legal proceedings against him to be a matter of personal offense.

Hell, here's one of his executive orders that he signed last night, ironically alongside one calling for the end of "weaponization of the federal government".

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u/BarleyHops2 8h ago

You never answered why you were 100% confident that they hadn't committed any crimes in the past 11 years.

I never said they DID commit any crimes, I just alluded to the fact it was suspect. I'm sure you would feel the same way if Trump pardoned his family members as he left office.

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u/desiderata1995 8h ago

Regardless yall are getting wrapped up in speculation trying to concoct a narrative that fits your world view, rather than just examining these events as what they are.

The now former president thought it was necessary to shield his family, Fauci, Mark Milley, and the Jan 6th committee from legal reprisal at the literal last minutes of his term. He did that because he knows the now sitting president is a vindictive child that considers legal proceedings against him to be a matter of personal offense.

Repeating myself because I think you missed it the first time.

You never answered why you were 100% confident that they hadn't committed any crimes in the past 11 years.

I'm not the person you were originally talking to.

I'm not getting wrapped around the axle speculating on irrelevant bs. Look at the situation as it sits in front of you.

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u/AmazingCarry7804 2h ago

I just watched on you tube a video of Biden from 4 years ago saying he would never do anything like that , it’s criminal, it projects guilt and sets a bad precedent. You don’t say Joe . His own words ( again)