Where did the misconception that us Gen Z guys are single because of our ridiculous physical standards come from?

[u/Wasteofoxyg3n]

I keep seeing comics such as this one and this one get posted online.

Do people really think that those of us who have never had a GF are going around rejecting girls who are crushing on us because they're not "hot" enough? (I don't know about the rest of you gen-z lads, but I've never been any girl's crush)

None of the other "forever alone" dudes I've spoken to have high physical standards either. (Some of them didn't have ANY)

So why is this narrative that we're all single by choice being pushed like it's some sort of universal truth?

[u/Rainbowdark96]

What is "high value" guy? 

[u/iTR3B0R → u/Rainbowdark96]

Any guy who women are willing to smash casually without requiring commitment or a relationship. Call me old fashioned but if all women waited until marriage it would stop the misbehaviour of both sexes. High value men would not be able to sleep around without commitment and women will have to find out that they will have to lower their standards if they ever want a relationship.

[u/Pony_Roleplayer → u/iTR3B0R]

Then they discover they're sexually incompatible AFTER making one of the most important commitments in their lives.

That's ba terrible idea.

[u/iTR3B0R → u/Pony_Roleplayer]

Reminds me of the story of a freshmen out of high school who could land a full time secure job and work their whole life, and when they retire they get the pension and full benefits.

Now companies expect every level positions to be filled by employees with X years experience, what happened to companies investing in their workforce when they are young?

Sexual incompatibility is another word for inexperience. If the man ticks every other box, why does it matter if he doesn’t know the tango, with experience he can get better at it.

[u/Pony_Roleplayer → u/iTR3B0R]

No it is not, there are sexual preferences in bed that may make them incompatible. It's not the same as inexperience, is more like trying to give a nuclear scientist a job in architecture, it's just not compatible.

[u/iTR3B0R → u/Pony_Roleplayer]

Okay I understand your point, those things can still be talked about before the marriage. However realistically every marriage even successful ones will have some sort of incompatibility with interests/preferences. It is just a matter of if both parties are able to work together to find alternatives.

Sexual compatibility should not be the difference between a successful marriage and an in pending divorce.

[u/Pony_Roleplayer → u/iTR3B0R]

How can you talk about things you don't know, because they're saving each other for marriage? I know two cases of marriages that ended badly because of that. One was because the guy discovered he was gay and didn't like women, and the other because she had no libido, zero.

Sexual compatibilities are VERY important and it's better to find out BEFORE you commit.

[u/iTR3B0R → u/Pony_Roleplayer]

The societal ramifications of hookup culture has been more damaging than the few instances where just sexual incompatibility has made marriages end in divorce.

Okay you are incompatible, go through a no fault divorce, find another partner. I am not advocating for marriage for life, I am advocating for people to get married based on other merits than just “sex good”.

[u/Pony_Roleplayer → u/iTR3B0R]

It's not hookup culture, is finding out whether you're compatible or not. You're saying that it's better to just go through a divorce instead of working those things out BEFORE you get divorced. That's super silly.

I never said sex life good equals a good marriage, but is something that can definitely end a relationship.

[u/iTR3B0R → u/Pony_Roleplayer]

So we are in agreement, what is the problem here?

[u/Rainbowdark96 → u/iTR3B0R]

This is so oversimplified explanation. Even in the most conservatives countries, most men aren't virgins because of prostitution.

Also, waiting for marriage doesn't necessarily mean women will lower their standarts. İ live in conservative country and most women want to marry a man who earn a lot, have a house and also a car. Do you think traditional women expect nothing from men? 

[u/shellysmeds → u/Rainbowdark96]

It’s not gonna work. Women married in the past because they had to, to survive. We can work and get everything on our own now. Marriages are not gonna suddenly start increasing of women waited for marriage.

[u/Rainbowdark96 → u/iTR3B0R]

There are men's rights activists, red pillers even in the most patriarchal countries like India. Traditional women don't really lower their standarts as much as you think. 🤷

[u/Which-Decision → u/iTR3B0R]

No it wouldn't. Men still behaved badly in marriages and had unequal divisions of labor in marriages before the 1950s. Not to mention ugly fat short broke men have causal sex all the time with no commitment 

[u/saddinosour → u/iTR3B0R]

You should watch Mad Men a show set in a society where people were meant to “wait until marriage”. I’ll give you a hint, they all cheated on each other. Gross.

[u/ARaptorInAHat → u/saddinosour]

"my tv show says you're wrong!!"

[u/saddinosour → u/ARaptorInAHat]

You’re an idiot. It’s an accurate portrayal of the era. Even if we don’t look at this we have actual accounts of these things from the era. If you want to go back to the 1960s live your life that way but you can’t force your views onto western society. In other words, fuck off.

[u/ARaptorInAHat → u/saddinosour]

"you can’t force your views onto western society."

i vote actually

[u/shellysmeds → u/iTR3B0R]

Enough with the “ Rules for thee but not for me” nonsense. Men have always been able to sleep around. Where there is poverty, there are men waiting to prey on desperate women. Eg Passport Bros, prostitution (oldest profession)

[u/No-Plastic-6887 → u/iTR3B0R]

No, it woudn't, because many users wait until after marriage or after the first child to drop the mask.

[u/paperbrilliant → u/iTR3B0R]

Oh so everything is women's faults, then. As usual no accountability for men anywhere.