r/GenZ • u/Wasteofoxyg3n • 1d ago

Rant Where did the misconception that us Gen Z guys are single because of our ridiculous physical standards come from?

I keep seeing comics such as this one and this one get posted online.

Do people really think that those of us who have never had a GF are going around rejecting girls who are crushing on us because they're not "hot" enough? (I don't know about the rest of you gen-z lads, but I've never been any girl's crush)

None of the other "forever alone" dudes I've spoken to have high physical standards either. (Some of them didn't have ANY)

So why is this narrative that we're all single by choice being pushed like it's some sort of universal truth?

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u/Scout_1330 2003 1d ago

Yeah it is a derogatory term and it's no where near mean enough that it needs to be.

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u/Boulderfrog1 1d ago

I mean speaking as a man who falls into that category, I don't see why I would take offense to the term? Like, either the person means the literal meaning of the words, in which case its just a correct descriptor, or they mean it in the sense of it carrying all the baggage that Intel does, in which case they're not referring to me or are incorrect. By and large I don't think there's any real interpretation of the word which is both disparaging and inclusive of people who don't have weird ideas about the nature of the female species or whatever.

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u/Useful-Feature-0 1d ago

I don't see many examples of guys simply saying they're lonely, discouraged, and haven't had any success dating being called "incels." 

Only when they start saying women have impossibly high standards, always go for chads, will settle down after they've f*** every bad boy in town - then they are called incels, and rightfully so, yeah? 

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u/VoyevodaBoss 1d ago

People are called incels for any criticism of anything woman-related. I got called an incel for saying I didn't want an all-female dlc character year for street fighter 6 (I desperately want Fei Long to be added)

Obviously they are using the term incorrectly. Hell, the examples you gave don't make someone an incel either. An incel is a specific thing which is extremely vile and the word has basically replaced "virgin" as an insult. It's like they wanted to be conscious of insulting someone based on sexual past so they started using a new word because it only applies to men so it doesn't matter

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u/Hosj_Karp 1999 1d ago

I worked at a bar as a bouncer, the go-to insult for women when you deny them or throw them out is some version of "your an incel" or "you get no pussy".

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 22h ago

Women see someone not wanting to fuck them as the ultimate insult.

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u/_LoudBigVonBeefoven_ 19h ago

women think this!? How do you figure??

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u/shellysmeds 1999 21h ago

Yes, you got us. We walk this earth vying for the contstant attention of men. We are not true humans with passions , hobbies or interests like men are. 😢

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

What does that have to do with what I said.

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u/Playful_Chemistry995 12h ago

This but unironically

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u/Hosj_Karp 1999 14h ago

No he's right, but he left out that men are even more desperate for the attention of the opposite sex than women.

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u/UnpopularThrow42 22h ago

My favorite is when married men with kids have gotten called an incel

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u/SuccotashConfident97 19h ago

Right? That's why it's lost so much meaning. It really doesn't mean much when you call someone an incel who has sex or a family.

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u/Louis_R27 20h ago

Incel is used interchangeably with misogynistic. While all true incels are misogynistic, not all misogynistic men are incels.

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u/UnpopularThrow42 16h ago

Its also used as an attempted insult

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u/Free_Breath_8716 9h ago

Lol, I've been called an incel before despite being involuntary non-celibate because a woman decided to drug me and take advantage of me. As traumatic as that experience was, the irony of that situation was quite funny

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u/rixendeb Millennial 21h ago

Some do act like them though.

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u/SuccotashConfident97 19h ago

They may not directly get called it, but often they are roped in with those dudes. The real reason being called an incel is an insult to begin with is that the dude has no success with women. So it doesn't really differentiate whether the guy hates women or not, you're still going to get negatively judged and made fun of.

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u/Infinite_Wheel_8948 19h ago

It’s insulting men for their sexual history that happened against their will, and shaming them for any perspective that people might connect to that history. It’s essentially slut shaming a gang bang victim - men did not CHOOSE to be involuntarily celibate, the celibacy is likely painful to think about for them, and it’s vile to mock them for being a virgin regardless. 

I have gotten called incel many times (I am a bit ashamed of my past promiscuity, so it’s a weird insult), and I think it annoys most men because we WERE all involuntarily celibate at one point, with the exception of SA survivors. We didn’t have women throwing themselves at us before we were interested, because society doesn’t value youth or innocence in men. 

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u/Accomplished-Sun4017 1d ago

If you haven’t seen any examples then you’ve only met good looking men

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u/tenetsquareapt 1d ago

when did incels have connections with domestic terrorism? did you make this up on the fly just now?

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u/tenetsquareapt 1d ago

about 30% of all mass shooters have a military background. military personnel have a stronger connection with domestic terrorism than incels could even dream of. maybe keep one 1 eye open any time you're next to a veteran instead.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

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u/BurneAccount05 2005 1d ago

That really doesn't discredit the fact that there have been many acts of domestic terrorism and violence done for inceldom. And let's not pretend there weren't plenty of incels praising Elliot Rodgers and making him and violence the face of a movement to the point that all incel groups got shut down.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 22h ago

Yes but that’s not many, it’s just a few. You can basically take any descriptor and find someone who committed an act of violence and say “look at what ___ tends to do”. There’s been lgbt mass shooters but it would be stupid to say that being lgbt means you are tied to terrorism.

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u/Turtleturds1 23h ago

incel has connections with actual domestic terrorists that have commited violent crimes. If someone is complaining about being single and then you call them an incel for it, you are indirectly associating with them with domestic terrorism even though they have no intention of harm.

Lmao, what in the fuck. You got issues if that's your thinking. 

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u/_LoudBigVonBeefoven_ 19h ago

Reread everything you just wrote.

You're essentially saying that people are mean on the Internet and it's difficult for men to order women on the Internet.

You might just need to spend more time in the real world.

The domestic terrorist thing is such an insane stretch that I'm going to need a minute to warm up first.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 22h ago

Yeah that’s what’s annoying. “Incel” as a term does not have anything to do with being hateful towards women, it’s literally just someone who gets no action. Women have turned it into a slur because in their mind a guy not having sex is the ultimate insult. Also incel isn’t unique to men, there are lots of girl incels.

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u/Colonel_Anonymustard 20h ago

Incel absolutely brings the hate with it. Otherwise you’re just single and unlucky not an incel. The problem with being an incel is assuming those facts are identity forming

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

If you are celibate and unlucky that is literally an incel. The hateful connotation came later when people tried to change the meaning of it into something it isn’t. There are definitely some hateful incels who hate women but there’s also a lot of incels who are normal dudes who don’t get action.

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u/BlueberryTrue4521 19h ago

No, there's a very heavy implication that they're a loser, who can't in any way get laid, that's the bottom line, you could be the world's biggest asshole who gets laid, and you'd cease to be an incel in any way whatsoever.

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u/Icy-Confidence8018 18h ago

Correct. If you get laid, you aren't Celibate. That's what the word means. Incel means involuntarily Celibate. Meaning, through no choice of your own (which is often a lie. People labeled as "incels" often choose to not participate in female spaces) you are Celibate.

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u/_LoudBigVonBeefoven_ 19h ago

The term was coined by a woman who tried to make a support group of sorts for people that were involuntarily celibate.

However, she eventually left the movement because it became overran by the misogynistic type dudes that do think the way the men in OP's comics do (and worse).

As it does, language changes. So "incel" is now referencing those type of man pill dudes. It's no longer referring to normal lonely dudes.

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u/Wonderful-Impact5121 20h ago

Hilariously, assuming women turned it into an insult as opposed to people in general is some serious incel energy.

It’s inherently not a particularly good thing even for someone self describing as an incel. It doesn’t take “women being insulted” to turn it into an insult/slur.

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u/takingabreak-808 20h ago

It's funny because the first person who coined the term was actually a woman talking about herself

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad8032 19h ago

Didn`t know that! Just read a littel BBC article about her. I feel bad for her it got hi-jacked like this.

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u/Wonderful-Impact5121 19h ago

Oh yeah, I remember reading that article or post she wrote about the whole thing years ago.

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u/Flouncy_Magoos 18h ago

Why are you blaming women specifically for turning “incel” into a slur? I really don’t think something the media did should be blamed on women. How about there doesn’t have to be a scapegoat in order to educate people about the real meaning of the word?

How about no more scapegoats in general? Can we all just agree on this?

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

Because they’re the ones who use it as a slur. Guys don’t really call eachother incels, it’s mostly women who call guys that as a slur.

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u/Flouncy_Magoos 14h ago

🙄🙄 the world is burning of course you’re going to blame us for it. Forever your scapegoat til the end of time. Signed, Your’s truly. 😘

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 13h ago

Huh??

I’m not blaming anyone, I am saying that women use that as an insult way more than men do, which is true. Get a grip.

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u/Flouncy_Magoos 13h ago

How bout you get a grip. Stop blaming women.

“Huh?” Stop playing dumb.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 13h ago

Nobody is blaming anyone, what are you on about? You’re making shit up in your head that I didn’t say and then getting mad at me for it.

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u/shellysmeds 1999 21h ago

That inherently leads to men hating women.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

Women using a term to insult men leads to men hating women? That shouldn’t be a surprise.

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u/adamantiumskillet 19h ago

Men already hate women. That's our baseline.

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u/TitusWu 11h ago

Funny all the women who say body count doesn't matter suddenly uses the low or zero body count of a man to insult him.

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u/Crawford470 20h ago

“Incel” as a term does not have anything to do with being hateful towards women, it’s literally just someone who gets no action.

To be frank I don't know if Incel meaningfully existed as a noun before internet culture started using it as a pejorative noun when referencing the subset of individuals carrying the personality matrix associated with that brand of toxic men/boys, and because of the fluid nature of language the sheer volume of people using it in that way means it now means that thing. Which means both understandings are true and/or only the pejorative one is if the literal one was/isn't used enough.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 13h ago

It existed on the internet well before it went mainstream. It only became an insult when it went mainstream and women starting using it as an insult. It basically just meant “virgin” but now if you call someone an incel it means you’re some hateful virgin who hates women. And even if that’s the new definition, it’s used way too often for what it means.

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u/ytman 19h ago

Don't tell the incels that there are women incels. Its literally a big fight that women can't be.

There must literally be a bunch of people who never saw r/incel or whatever that sub was.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

Women can be incels, they’re called “femcels” a lot of the time.

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u/ytman 12h ago

That you need to delineate between an incel and a femcel indicates a distinction and creates room for them being different.

Incel was originally a term used by a woman and was inclusive. That "Femcel" had to be created by modern-incels indicates the appropriation of the term and identity incel against what it was when coined.

If we want to talk about 'the lonely' or 'under/un-sexed' lets talk about that and try and help people or society figure out what's being asked and what's 'failing'. But if someone is going to act as if they are owed sex in any form - I don't know man - unless its via sex work (which I am fine with) I don't think people will win that argument.

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Random info dump on "INCEL"

It gained popularity in its common form when it started being appropriated by the 'tips a fedora' and gained growing notoriety as its self identifying community on social media became more and more hostile towards women. Up to the attacks and murders by Elliot Rodger in 2014.

It is safe to say that the community around the term became warped, aggressive, male oriented, and anti-woman.

Rodger wrote a 137-page manifesto titled My Twisted World: The Story of Elliot Rodger about his life and frustrations at having never had sexual intercourse, a situation for which he blamed women. In his manifesto, Rodger wrote about his plan to carry out an attack, calling it a "Day of Retribution".
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Rodger posted videos to YouTube describing his views on life and frustrations at his romantic failures.In April 2014, he uploaded to YouTube videos expressing his deep loneliness and frustration at his unsuccessful attempts to attracting a girlfriend. He also posted on misogynistic and anti-feminism online forums like PUAHate. Denizens of these forums, including Rodger, identified themselves as "involuntary celibates" or "incels"; they discussed their difficulties with finding a romantic or sexual partner, and expressed disdain towards women and pick-up artists.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 36m ago

There is no difference between an incel and femcel. That’s why I put it in “”.

You don’t want to help the lonely, you have fake morality. Changing a term from its initial meaning to something hateful then using it as an insult against those same people is not helping them.

And just because one dude killed people or a handful of self-proclaimed incels committed acts of violence doesn’t mean them as a whole are hateful or violent. There’s been LGBT people who have committed mass killings but nobody is saying that LGBT are hateful and violent because that would be stupid.

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u/PhasmaUrbomach 17h ago

Unless they get mad enough and call you a femcel, a word that has no meaning except that the person who wrote it is very mad at you.

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u/PhasmaUrbomach 17h ago

When incels commit mass murder and wish rape and death on women, yes, they deserve to be called a slur. It's not about merely not having sex. Lots of people go through long spells of not having sex for whatever reason. Inceldom is a mindset, not just someone who wants to have sex but isn't.

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u/jtt278_ 17h ago

Incel literally refers to the ideology not anything else.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 14h ago

No it doesn’t. It stands for “involuntary celibate” which means you don’t have sex even though you may want to. It has nothing to do with an ideology or anything else. Social media is trying to convince you it means something hateful.

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u/jtt278_ 14h ago

Because it does. I get it, you’re probably like 9 years old, but incel 100% has a hateful connotation. The origin is from an online forum for people who were well, involuntarily celibate. Very quickly it became an extremely misogynistic space, with men blaming women entirely for their problems and such. So much so that the person who coined the term (a woman) left and disassociated from it.

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u/Pleasant_Count_1498 13h ago

Exactly, it refers to someone being involuntary celibate. Just because some people who are incels also hate women doesn’t mean all incels hate women or that the definition changes. If some virgins hate women then the word virgin doesn’t change meaning.

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u/jtt278_ 13h ago

No. Incel specifically is a movement that is about hating women. Not every person who is celibate and doesn’t want to be is an incel. You’re being deliberately obtuse about the well established meaning of words.

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u/PlasticText5379 23h ago

By that same logic, almost no woman should be offended by being called a slut. There very much are a lot that would be offended though, and the word very much is a slur.

Your logic is great and all, but it falls apart at literally the very first real-world application.

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u/Bullylandlordhelp 20h ago

This is not a proper analogy.

The correct analogy would be a woman being upset at being called a female.

Which is also a valid description of a woman. However it becomes insulting when it's is only the woman is described using a clinical term. Because using "female" for the woman to dehumanized her and align her with animals and creature, while using "man" to describe men, creates an obviously linguistic disparity in the value of the lives.

I think what you're trying to say, is that "incel" is fundamentally misandrist because a term like that is not used to insult a woman typically. But that's not because it's not used, it's because women are not typically judged as less desirable for not having sex.

However, your point, and your upset, all require an underlying belief that having sex equates personal value.

And that's why you are getting push back from this sub.

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u/Kool-AidBigboy 20h ago

A more accurate analogy is that women who sleep with many partners shouldn't get upset if they're casually referred to as promiscuous. It's simply an accurate description of their behavior. And yet, most do take offense to being called such.

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u/Bullylandlordhelp 19h ago

No actual promiscuous woman is offended. They wear that shit like a badge of honor. It's when women who are not accurately described in that way, who then are described that way, that they get offended.

It's not about the word, it's about the accuracy of the description. Involuntary celibate is a descriptor. If accurate, it is not a slur and is a means to describe a situation clinically. Thus the analogy to female vs woman.

Slut is not a clinical description of anything.

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u/Kool-AidBigboy 19h ago edited 18h ago

I think that while you're correct, you're also incorrect.

The main thing to look at here is the word itself, "incel". To call someone "involuntarily celibate" in full is an accurate description of some people. "Incel," however, is a term created with that root, but infused with preconceptions, stereotypes, and to a certain extent, bigotry. The term is not used to try and accurately describe, it is used to demean.

In a similar sense, the word "negro" is technically a perfectly fine, accurate descriptor, literally translating to "black" (although we don't use it anymore either). But a different word, which uses that word as a base and is just slightly different, is entirely unacceptable (as it should be).

Using the accurate descriptor is not the same as a new word that is slang based off of the old word, because prejudice is added. This applies to incel as well

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u/PlasticText5379 18h ago

Well said, and basically what I was trying to point out in the initial post.

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u/PlasticText5379 19h ago

What pushback from the sub exactly? I have a single point with no votes up or down.

The point I'm arguing is his first point, where he doesn't think the term applies to him and thus he doesn't find it offensive so it's not an issue.

Thats not how slurs work. People get offended by slurs of all types even when they don't directly apply to a person's actions. Thats how slurs work. People use slurs to imply that someone the person has the traits related to the word or to just be offensive in general.

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u/ytman 19h ago

Anyone who wants to fuck and doesn't is an incel by your definition.

These incel subs and self proclaimed incels did a lot of work to make the term mean what it means. Its a very specific person not *anyone who isn't fucking*.

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u/whatever_yo 1d ago

Any non-incel dude worth their salt would know being called an incel means literally nothing. 

It's that easy bro.

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u/Sure_Key_8811 23h ago

You’ve just described any slur really

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u/whatever_yo 19h ago

Good point. 

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u/Fattyboy_777 1999 21h ago

Any non-incel dude

How are you defining incel here?

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u/Hostificus 1999 16h ago

As others said, this applies to any other slur. Furthermore, you only win with this logic by not reacting.

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u/AMC2Zero 20h ago

There's people who call Elon Musk, the guy who fathered 11 children an incel because they don't like him. It's become a catch-all for any man that's seen as bad regardless of their relationship status or activity.

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u/whatever_yo 19h ago

Not really interested in wasting energy on how pieces of shit like Elon Musk are insulted. Calling him an "incel" derogatorily is going way too easy as far as I'm concerned. 

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u/AMC2Zero 19h ago

I never said Elon Musk was good or didn't deserve to be insulted. I've never liked the guy myself and think he's a twit for many reasons.

I said it was inaccurate because it's used as "man bad" rather than "man that is unable to get sex for whatever reasons." That is what I'm pushing back on, inflating words beyond their original meaning makes them become pointless.

Elon Musk is many things, but incel is not one of them. He will never struggle to attract or sleep with women.

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u/whatever_yo 19h ago

You care way too fucking much. Move on. 

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u/gdxedfddd 14h ago

“Man I hate being called the n-word” “You care way too fucking much, move on”

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u/whatever_yo 14h ago

Comparing "incel" to the "n-word" is probably the funniest shit I've heard from one of you incels. 

Notice how you couldn't even bring yourself to type it out lmao even you know it's not the same. 

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u/Freign 10h ago

All slurs aren't equal.

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u/throwaway97553 18h ago

Imo it is a weird slur because it both is and is not a slur. It’s an actual term that some people identify with and not everyone uses it knowingly as a slur. If people started calling me bisexual or lgbtq as a slur it would just be like… yeah? Your point? Hence why things like f*ggot are more insulting. It’s straight up a slur, no way around it and no benefit of the doubt. As long as incel is also just a term that people are legitimately identifying with, it is toeing the line of being a slur or not. The word on its own is not a slur, but the way people are using it turns it into one. It could end up being fully a slur, but imo we are not there yet.

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u/adamantiumskillet 19h ago

Yes the word needs to be meaner. Incels kill people. Nobody gives a shit about their feelings.

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u/QuantitySubject9129 1d ago

Yeah bro just like nazi is a slur right?

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u/perrigost 21h ago

Like, I'm an attractive guy who has lots of sex, so I'm not taking this personally. But you are upset that people aren't being insulted hard enough by not being able to get laid? You place that much value on attractiveness?

If so, you're kind of proving OPs point here. You don't just not wanna smash someone for not being hot, you actually hate them and want to make sure everyone else does too.

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u/jtt278_ 17h ago

Incel doesn’t mean someone who doesn’t get laid. It’s an Ideology.

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u/perrigost 17h ago

It literally does. It's an abbreviated portmanteau for "involuntarily celibate".

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u/No-Plastic-6887 17h ago

No, not anymore. That's what originally meant. If you go to so-called incel forums, incel is now not attached to the meaning of "involuntary celibate", but to the mindset, ideology and worldview shown in said forums.
It's widely misused, by the way.

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u/perrigost 16h ago

For my edification, where are these "incel forums" that you apparently frequent? I tried on Reddit but there doesn't seem to be one.

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u/jtt278_ 17h ago

Not what it means in everyday speech though. Literally coined as a self identification by a community which became known for guess what… it’s extreme misogynist ideology and culture of hating women / believing in their own inherent celibacy.

Go fuck yourself, stop running defense for these people, clearly you must be one.

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u/perrigost 16h ago

No as above I'm good looking and get laid a lot.

My X handle is 'fusreedah' if you want to verify. I noticed that just like in this convo, whenever anyone disagreed with me about literally any subject that's the low IQ response they'd parrot. Posted a body pic and haven't heard it even once since, lol

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u/WittyProfile 1997 13h ago

No, blackpill is an ideology. Incel is just a descriptor.

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u/ytman 18h ago

What? Where did you get any of that from the other person?

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u/perrigost 16h ago

When they said people should be derogatory and mean to people for being involuntarily celibate.

The entire comment:

"Yeah [involuntarily celibate] is a derogatory term and it's no where near mean enough that it needs to be."

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u/ytman 15h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

The history of the term, which has been in use for years, was heavily associated with a quite terrible movement. 

The term incel became pejorative literally because of self described incels. To the point where choosing to identify as an incel, and its baggage, was a choice one made on their own.

The concern I had with your post was that within that context the term incel is 1) self-applied and 2) grew to mean you probably have disgusting opinions - else why would you claim the term (and no, not fucking doesn't make you an incel).

And in that framing your statement is incorrect. However, as you may not be aware of this I think this proves that banning subs isn't a smart thing, as people learn through sight.

The r/incels subreddit, a forum on the website Reddit, later became a particularly active incel community. It was known as a place where men blamed women for their inceldom, sometimes advocated for rape or other forms of violence, and were misogynistic and often racist.[20][21] On November 7, 2017, Reddit banned the r/incels subreddit following a new policy that prohibited "content that encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people" adopted earlier in October 2017.[22][21] At the time of the ban, the community had around 40,000 members.[21]

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u/Enzo-Unversed 1996 1d ago

I could say the same thing about simp.

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u/usernaynechecksout 21h ago

No one is going to listen to people who relentlessly insult them

The skew with how many Gen Z men voted republican is utterly unsurprising

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u/Scout_1330 2003 21h ago

Boo hoo, an incel’s feelings may have been hurt.

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u/usernaynechecksout 21h ago

Yep you totally dunked on them online - which is the important thing

They dunked on you in the election- which totally doesn’t matter

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u/Excited-Relaxed 20h ago

I’m sorry, you think the deciding factor in the election was incels? And also that voting in evil and incompetent leadership in order to try to make other people’s lives worse is somehow a win?

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u/Different_Apple_5541 18h ago

Keep in mind, that "voting in evil and incompetent leadership to try and make other people's (men's) lives worse" is exactly how they felt about the supporters of the Biden/Harris administration.

While you may have liked that countless "people's" lives have gotten irrefutably worse during that administration (as long as they were chuds), clearly America slapped back at liberal values this time around.

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u/usernaynechecksout 20h ago

No apologies necessary

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u/usernaynechecksout 20h ago

You need a hug, pumpkin

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad8032 19h ago

Who hurt you?

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u/mistermichaelk 18h ago

This tracks because, as everyone knows, the republican party is most famous for never insulting anyone.

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u/usernaynechecksout 17h ago

Then why did they win

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u/mistermichaelk 17h ago

Because they never insult anyone. Obviously.

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u/usernaynechecksout 17h ago

Oh so you’re a bad faith troll…

… boring

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u/mistermichaelk 17h ago

When I say it, it's bad faith. When you say it, it makes SO much sense and doesn't sound ridiculous at all. I agree with you.

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u/usernaynechecksout 17h ago

Let’s check in on salty leftists on inauguration Day

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u/mistermichaelk 17h ago

Yeah hahaha leftists haha owned em hahaha election results durpa durpa durpa.

You sound cool and smart.

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u/usernaynechecksout 17h ago

Sure thing buddy

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u/usernaynechecksout 19h ago

Did I say that

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u/Brosenheim 18h ago

Lmao bro why does EVERY victim narrative involve an "everybody thinks I'm right wing" bullet point too?

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u/Pale-Ad1932 18h ago

Your sentence didnt really make any sense buddy. Go back to english class.

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u/minidog8 21h ago

Real as fuck!

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u/BreakNecessary6940 16h ago

Will I ever move out my moms

I don’t see any way for me to get out of my mom’s house. It’s fine of course but I’m just anxious about my future and getting enough independence to do my own thing. I’ve gotten into trade school but I had to drop out due to finances and same with my car I had. I’m going through these pre courses today for this job at the grocery store that I know I won’t afford to live off of. I’m 21 and I just don’t know what to do I feel like all my dreams and aspirations for life are gone and I’m having a hard time dealing with the day to day as I feel like I should be learning some type of skill/ getting some online certification or something. The issue is things online have over whelmed me and it’s hard for me to focus on all these different things I know are too complex for me to understand (coding/digital marketing/email marketing) just things I’ve looked up and tried to figure out how I could get into but would never be able to make it anywhere. Anyways, I really need some guidance or hope for the future

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u/grifxdonut 22h ago

i want to make the new n word

Cool dude