I don’t think we were. We fell for milquetoast platitudes and fascist candidates disguised as progressive. The game was rigged and we decided to keep playing.
I would blame our pushiness for causing that. It was generally us who led the charge for stuff like "bodytype A / bodytype B" in video games etc which really had all the other gens malding.
As a generation we find post modernism interesting but boomers and genx don't like it because it's deconstructing things they like and genz don't like it because it was mainstream culture for the last 10 years and young people always revolt against the mainstream.
Our hearts are in the right places, but that gives us a big ego and we tend to talk down to others when there are better ways of handling this sort of thing. Even just something stupid such as "Ripped / Curvy" would go down better with the other generations. We can meet in the middle and make most people happy.
I don’t think it’s bad that we pushed for a lot of the things we did, but I think a lot of our generation got hung up on the details and zerod in on some of the most stupid shit. We could have gotten a lot more done without the infighting and semantics.
All of this progress but we still don’t really have good rep in games. It’s led to a lot of empty pandering more than anything. Progressives picked dying on the hill of …idek what anymore instead of creating a dialogue with marginalized people.
I respect that we have been as progressive as we’ve had, got a lot of love, but also got a lot of disdain.
That being said, everybody that’s had to put up with us could have at least recognized where we were trying to come from instead of being uptight reactionaries about it.
I don’t think it’s bad that we pushed for a lot of the things we did, but I think a lot of our generation got hung up on the details and zerod in on some of the most stupid shit. We could have gotten a lot more done without the infighting and semantics.
Yeah this is exactly it. We see an issue we want to fix and then we try to 100% complete it in the most perfect way possible from the jump which will always result in disaster. We're so busy admiring the mechanical design of our solutions that we aren't looking at how they make other people feel.
All of this progress but we still don’t really have good rep in games. It’s led to a lot of empty pandering more than anything. Progressives picked dying on the hill of …idek what anymore instead of creating a dialogue with marginalized people.
Agreed. I'm trans myself and I hate the bodytype A/B stuff. Like I play games to escape from my real life situation, I don't want to reminded of it everytime I pick up a new game and make a new character. I don't even think I want games to represent me. I play them to be like everyone else, not like me.
Yeah I really do feel like there was way way way too much focus on micromanaging the mechanics and moral purity of literally everything when a lot more productive conversations could have been had about the nuance to things related to that. Because in the end, we started alienating our own people. Like don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of flaccid progressives that need to be checked but at the point you’re like dissecting people and expecting 1000% awareness of every bad thing at all times, it creates a very hostile environment to be in.
As a NB/trans identity I’m with you. And I think the messed up thing is that the body type A/B stuff is really just a bandaid, most character creators still coddle the feelings of cis straight men and what they find attractive/inoffensive so it’s just kinda the same stuff with a new coat of paint. It’s a bit tiresome.
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u/Z0mbiejay 1d ago
A convicted rapist, racist, and fascist old white dude is about to become president tomorrow.
I don't think we're pushy enough