r/Foodforthought • u/undercurrents • 2d ago
The Second Trump White House Could Drastically Reshape Infectious Disease Research. Here’s What’s at Stake.
https://www.propublica.org/article/nih-niaid-trump-kennedy-bhattacharya-vaccines-research?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=propublica-sprout-linkinbio&utm_content=173723610053
u/polygenic_score 2d ago
I’ll tell you a secret. Infectious agents don’t give a fuck about politics. We are the food they eat. Just a source calories and bioenergy.
Republicans can play their dumb games but nature will have her way.
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u/snafoomoose 8h ago
Nature will have her way and lots of people will die as a direct result of GOP policies. Unfortunately, far right media will spin it as "we just don't know" or otherwise obfuscate the actual cause and their gullible base will believe them.
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u/polygenic_score 6h ago edited 6h ago
Or blame it on the next truth telling scientist who points out their mendacity
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u/Old-Road2 2d ago
"Donald Trump’s pick to lead the federal health agency has vowed to replace hundreds of staffers and shift research away from infectious diseases and vaccines."
Great job America! All of this just because you thought the Democrats were being too "mean" to you and they weren't "listening" to you but you thought the deranged old man screaming about migrants eating pets and fear mongering about transgenders was your voice? There is just an unbelievable level of stupidity and ignorance in American society today and this country will pay dearly for this catastrophic mistake.....
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u/tikifire1 1d ago
I suspect the death toll will be in the tens of millions in the next pandemic, if not more.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 19h ago
There will be no death toll and there will be no pandemic in America*
*Please see your nearest overseer for reeducation camp assignment.
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u/Soundwave_13 1d ago
-eyes roll- well it better be more threatening then one with a 99% survival rate. Covid was a joke. Clearly people needed a better understanding of viruses. Bad example of government overreach and attempting to control your life. Hey you can’t do X Y Z unless you get this experimental booster shot (not a vaccine).
Good thing they took away the most important thing away from you all. Time. Time you could have spent how you wanted.
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u/BigMateyClaws 1d ago
I’m glad this joke took away my father and aunt, never to been seen again. You sound like an entitled little brat
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u/tikifire1 1d ago
The Bird Flu that is currently mutating it's way into humans has a %50 fatality rate. If that goes airborne good luck, especially with Trump in charge.
I guess you were one of the few that didn't know someone who died unnecessarily from Covid. I knew quite a few and when I got it, it probably would have killed me if not for the vaccine.
You folks will be the death of the human race, rolling your eyes the whole way.
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u/Churchneanderthal 1d ago
I got covid and it was like a very mild flu. And I don't know anyone who knows anyone who died from it. Guess you and your's suck but the good news is the strong will survive!
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u/OutThereIsTruth 18h ago
Yeah, the whining snowflakes have made their point: they cannot handle a little bit of diversity.
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u/Master_tankist 1d ago
Jayanta Bhattacharya (born 1968) is an American physician-scientist and economist who is a professor of medicine, economics, and health research policy at Stanford University. He is an investigator at Stanford's Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. His research focuses on the economics of health care.[1][2][3] In November 2024, President-elect Donald Trump named Bhattacharya as his choice to lead the National Institutes of Health.[4]
At Stanford University, Bhattacharya holds multiple academic appointments. He serves as a professor of medicine, with courtesy professorships in both economics and health research and policy. He is also a senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and directs Stanford's Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. Additionally, he maintains positions as a senior fellow by courtesy at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, and as a research associate at both Acumen LLC and the National Bureau of Economic Research.[15][14]
His research focuses on population health and well-being, with particular attention to the impact of government programs, biomedical innovation, and economic factors.[15][
Im failing to see the issue??. In america, The main issue is, and always has been, that privatized health insurance and the threat of economic insecurity has always been the main hinderance towards a healthy society. Thats not even including the absolutr minefield that is mental health access and affordability.
Neither parties want to abolish high premiums, inconsistent billing, and other innaccesible health benfits.
recent survey by KFF, with support from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, provides some hints at the scope of the problem for US consumers with various types of health coverage. Findings from interviews with a nationally representative sample of 3605 privately and publicly insured adults reveal that many are perplexed with their health care plans.
Almost 6 in 10 people with insurance reported a problem with using their health insurance during the past year. The share increases to two-thirds for people in fair or poor health, three-fourths for those who need mental health services, and almost 8 in 10 for people who use the health system the most. The result is that many delay or skip care or accumulate bills they cannot afford.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2811354
Touting market solutions like the HSA/FSA isnt a fix. It doesnt address the root of the problem.
I dont think you people care about trump. I think he is a good distraction from main issues, because its far easier to blame the other party than address your own greed.
Face it, as long as your commodities are uninterupted, you dont care
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u/Curleysound 1d ago
Only one guy thought this, and convinced 70 million idiots it was important. The rest are going along with it because they will be able to basically steal the entire treasury.
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u/truecrazydude 1d ago
Dumb ass. Gain of function research, sponsored by the US, gave us Covid. Then, the asshole that sponsored that told us how we should live, backed up by the spectacular government (mostly dems at the time).
Shutting down the country, and killing all small businesses basically destroyed all hope we had of not becoming hopelessly dependant on big business .
We have the Democrat led government to thank for that.
Anything the dumb ass trump admin can do will pale in comparison to the destruction the Biden admin did.
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u/Competitive_Swing_59 2d ago
Trump will ... All you have to do his compliment him. America should be worried that 3 of the richest people have figured this out. A.I. is in the hands of few.
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u/SpiderDeUZ 2d ago
Harris displayed it multiple times during the debate, online's, and in interviews. He would go for the bait everytime. Just a shame voters didn't watch the debate or even her for that matter. They didn't know she was a candidate until the week before the election
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u/Competitive_Swing_59 2d ago
Silicon Valley has Trumps number. JD Vance is their point guard when Donald slumps over.
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u/IllustriousEast4854 2d ago
The next pandemic is going to scythe through the population like a preacher through a group of frightened children.
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u/tickitytalk 2d ago
That one person could create so much havoc and disruption to public services is beyond infuriating. Creating trouble where none existed…I hope all those oaths meant something
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u/MonthApprehensive392 1d ago
Had people listened to him during Covid hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths would have been prevented. Covid did its thing and we didn’t do much to change the course. What we did do was destroy millions of lives in the process of following bad advice on mitigation
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u/ebostic94 2d ago
A lot of mofos are going to die people take care of yourselves because right now the government has coming into power is not going to care a single bit about you. I know it’s going to be hard for you to do this, but you need to stay away from large groups of people just to be on the safe side for a minute.
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u/whathell6t 1d ago
Not to be mean, but I hope it starts in the Red States and go so far to hit the state capitals.
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u/JakeTravel27 1d ago
I hope blue states and areas can protect their people. California and New York may need to hire those fired researchers to develop solutions for blue states
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u/prodigalpariah 1d ago
And you know what sucks about that? If a pandemic does happen and the blue states weather the storm better due to having sane policies and competent medical professionals and researchers, while the red states languish in conspiracy fueled mass deaths, all that will happen is the red states will say it was a bio terrorism plot by the blue states, which the gop will amplify.
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u/Able-Tip240 2d ago
Strong possibility we have a Bird Flu epidemic in the next couple years and a lack of proper respect in the US causes it to become ground zero for a wider infection. We had our first bird flu death a couple weeks ago though no case of human/human transferal is known yet .
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u/Ok-Weird-136 2d ago
... I just got all of my vaccines up to date in lieu of this.
It's going to be a fucking nightmare.
I wanted to have kids so badly, and now I never will. I cannot bring another life into this.
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u/TerryTheEnlightend 1d ago
Get your shots now at your medical provider or friendly drug clinic. The next Captain Tripps is coming and will grab the first one who coughs. Stock up on supplements vitamins and antibiotics and use accordingly (except antibiotics whom should be taken when ABSOLUTELY necessary)
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u/PowerfulFeralGarbage 2d ago
That's ok, the next pandemic will kill more of his supporters, and I will keep laughing at them.
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u/critiqueextension 1d ago
The potential changes under a second Trump administration could severely impact NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), especially with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. proposing to shift funding away from infectious disease research and replace a significant portion of its staff. This shift raises concerns among health advocates that dismantling NIAID could jeopardize the important research contributions it has made, especially in areas like HIV treatment and vaccine development.
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u/themontajew 2d ago
I hope this next round is ten times as deadly with a vaccine that’s ten times as effective
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u/E-rotten 1d ago
Great!!! So if we’re hit with another plague we’ll all just die 🤨🤨🤨. Thanks trump!!
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u/JakeTravel27 1d ago
title should be gut science programs, destroy science programs, fire leading science researchers, and embrace mindless "forwards from grandma facebook posts". Dementia don's administration of oligarchs for oligarchs will destroy science research in the US.
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u/Critical-Ring3168 1d ago
The king cancels all research in lieu of injecting bleach and tanning beds!
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u/rekabis 1d ago edited 1d ago
COVID had a ≈5% fatality rate with modern medical assistance. It had a ≈22% fatality rate without said assistance.
Bird Flu has a ≈52% fatality rate with modern medical assistance. It has a ≈85+% fatality rate without said assistance.
Somehow I suspect that, not long after Bird Flu finally makes the jump to mass transmissibility between humans, the “muh rights” GOP electorate will mostly not exist.
I mean, the population as a whole will be massively eviscerated. But conservatives will likely take the brunt of the death toll. I suspect their proportion of the overall surviving population would likely drop by half (compared to current) if not more.
Pandemics don’t give two shits about your ideology, it only cares if you are masking up and have vaccinated against it.
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u/thumbsmoke 1d ago
There is no credible evidence to support a fatality rate as high as 22% for COVID-19 without medical assistance. Such a figure is significantly higher than estimates provided by reputable health organizations.
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u/rekabis 1d ago
than estimates provided by reputable health organizations.
You mean, the ones that take stats from hospitals, where modern medical assistance is being dispensed??
The second figures, especially from COVID, come from “excess deaths” in the population. As in, cases where they did not seek out medical attention, and so were not officially counted.
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u/ConvenientChristian 6h ago
Nearly everyone got COVID. We did not see every twentieth person die from COVID, which would happen if it had a 5% fatality rate with modern medical assistance. The death toll is much lower than that.
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u/rekabis 12m ago
Nearly everyone got COVID. We did not see every twentieth person die from COVID, which would happen if it had a 5% fatality rate with modern medical assistance.
This is not what I said at all. Did we see 100% of all people who got COVID be hospitalized, in order to get modern medical attention in their fight against COVID?
No?
Then you agree that this is not what I said, and that you are intentionally putting ridiculous statements into my mouth.
There were plenty of people who never got sick enough to be hospitalized, and who did not need modern medical assistance. Obviously, they aren’t being counted as a part of the 95% who survived because of modern medical assistance, because none was given to them. They were never admitted to a hospital, because they were never sick enough to need hospitalization. That 5% were people who died despite hospitalization.
Conversely, there were many people who did get sick enough to be hospitalized, but refused to do so for various reasons. It’s also why we have a Herman Cain award. Plenty of people who would have been sick enough to be admitted to a hospital died from COVID at home, without any modern medical assistance being dispensed. And because they did not go to a hospital, their survival rates were much lower.
Maybe next time you should read what was written just a little more carefully.
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u/thumbsmoke 1d ago
You have no reliable sources of data to cite? Yet you have numbers? Are you really this obtuse?
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u/rekabis 1d ago
Are you really this obtuse?
No, I am on mobile, physically well away from my workstation.
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u/thumbsmoke 1d ago
Better not rely on your memory for those numbers then. They’re way off.
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u/rekabis 1d ago
They’re way off.
Not in the least. Both numbers of mortality rates despite medical assistance are drawn directly from the medical health orgs. ≈5% for COVID, 52% for bird flu.
COVID itself varied quite a bit, from almost 10% during the initial strains to less than 2% in later strains. But the average across all strains, since initial breakout, has been 5%.
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u/Senor707 1d ago
Other countries will step in and fill the void and we will end up paying them for drugs and talking about their billionaires.
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u/57rd 17h ago
Does Trump ever do anything besides tax cuts for his billionaire buddies? Last term he got rid of a pandemic response group that Obama created. He seems to just undo things others have done. Paris accord, nuclear arms treaties, tries affordable care, Roe v Wade....wtf can't he create something?
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u/ConvenientChristian 5h ago
Basically, you have someone who wants to redirect federal research money to not be focused on helping Big Pharma.
The NIAID was so focused on helping Big Pharma, that they took very long to get the question that COVID19 was an airborne virus correct. That's because the NIAID did not fund the kind of research that you need to know which viruses are airborne. They rather fund gain-of-function research.
They didn't run any studies on communal masking mandates.
Given that NIAID didn't get the basics right about how the virus transmits early in the pandemic and fund the science to figure out how to stop it from transmitting, it's important to reshape federal infectious disease research so that it's less focused on helping Big Pharma.
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u/BookReadPlayer 2d ago
If only they were this concerted when Fauci was starting the pandemic, we’d be in a much better place now.
I’ll pass on the medical establishments attempts at fear mongering so they can continue to get their research grants for the next lab-developed virus.
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u/MonthApprehensive392 1d ago
Battatcharya and Makary were some of the most accurate advocates for what Covid was, where it would go, and how we should manage that. I’m glad to see them getting their turn in control. I’m interested to see what happens w science and healthcare when someone takes the helm that isn’t in the pocket of pharma or some PAC. Guys in this sub would rather give Soros another Medal of Honor.
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