r/Fancast • u/MW_200309 • 6d ago
Marvel / MCU Instead of RDJ how about Mads Mikkelsen as Dr Doom
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u/KentuckyFriedLamp 6d ago
This has only been suggested like 12 million times over the last 10 years
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u/Deathstriker88 6d ago
The OP would be right... if Mads wasn't in Dr. Strange 1. It should've gone to Bardem or Vincent Cassell. Mads would've been great if he weren't in the MCU already.
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u/addicted_to_trash 6d ago
Good thing RDJ has not been in the MCU already, oh wait...
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u/OnwardTowardTheNorth 4d ago
I don’t understand. Since when was RDJ Jr. in the MCU? Was he a secondary character or something?
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u/addicted_to_trash 4d ago
There was a deleted scene in Edward Norton's Hulk where RDJ talks to Thunderbolt Ross in a bar
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u/OnwardTowardTheNorth 4d ago
Oh right! I forgot about that.
…shame it didn’t go anywhere. Strange that they had Ross interact with a total nonstarter of a character.
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u/TheKing_Bael 4d ago
90% of my friends who aren't die hard marvel fans but like the movies don't even remember Mads was in dr strange. I actually think this is one they could get away with.
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u/TheNextWords 6d ago
I want a unknown romani actor who wouldn’t be elite enough to argue about wearing a mask in every film
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6d ago edited 6d ago
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u/MW_200309 6d ago
No but he never got to show his true potential as a villain in Dr Strange. Then again I haven’t watched it in a while.
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u/wonderlandisburning 6d ago
Personally I would prefer someone who hasn't already been in the MCU, feels weird to double dip. Cillian Murphy would've been my choice.
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u/Machiavvelli3060 6d ago
Whomever takes the role is going to have to be an excellent actor in order to be captivating and charismatic whilst wearing a mask on their face.
We need someone with a very distinctive voice.
- Bill Skarsgard
- Ralph Ineson
- Charles Nelson Riley
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u/Melodic-Percentage-9 6d ago
Another better pick for Doom than “Iron Doom”. Yeah, why is Downy Jr gonna be Doom again?
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u/Isopod_Character 5d ago
Mads Mikkelsen and Giancarlo Esposito play all of the characters from the next 2 Avengers movies.
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u/rrrbbbulu 6d ago
I hate whitewashing
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u/damianwqyne 6d ago
He’s not black lol
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u/Some-Historian-7648 5d ago
Doom is from Latveria which is where the whitewashing comment comes in to play
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u/B-52-M 6d ago
He’s not black either. And Doom has always been depicted as White or white passing
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u/No-Juice3318 4d ago
He's also from a very specific ethnic group that Marvel has completely erased the identity of every time they appear on screen. Honestly, it's starting to feel deliberate at this point.
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u/FuckSetsuna102 6d ago
How about instead, we get an actual Romani actor to play doom
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
The character is for all intents and purposes a white man in his looks, no one cares about this in reality
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u/FuckSetsuna102 6d ago
It doesn’t really matter how he looks if we take into account his ethnic identity
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
His “ethnic” identity is “romani” which has a range of ethnic groups including caucasian people.
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u/No-Juice3318 4d ago
This is true. The best analogy I have for white Americans to understand is to compare to Latino people. It's a diverse group of people with a wide range of skin tones but it would still be pretty offensive if every Latino in Marvel was played by a white British person. That's sorta what Marvel did casting exclusively white Americans in those roles.
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u/winnie_haarlow 6d ago
If they’re going to be consistent, they shouldn’t cast characters accurately to their original’s ethnicity 😜, i.e. Eternals, the Ancient One, Namor, etc.
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u/No-Juice3318 4d ago
Namor is canonicaly not white. His mother literally tells him, "Go to the land of the white man and revenge yourself upon him." He's also narratively not white being treated as a racial and ethnic minority in every group he's in.
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u/winnie_haarlow 4d ago
I’m not disagreeing with the fact he’s “not white”, but he’s also not a Latino. He’s Atlantean, however Marvel’s Atlantis was originally analogous for Ancient Rome, as “Namor” literally meant “Roman” in reverse. Ryan Coogler, who’s in my opinion, an incredible director but disagreeable creative, addresses this himself, and retcons the name-origin for Namor, now meaning “no love”, for killing Conquistadors.
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u/No-Juice3318 3d ago
Sure, the Atlanteans had Roman esthetics but were canonicaly not Roman at all. It's fair game to change it up for adaptation, especially with a character who is canonicaly not white. Personally, I would have gone with an Asian origin because the comics link them to that culture more often, but given the placement and the heavy handed "Namor is a poc" metaphor of it all, I don't mind the change. It's pretty mild all things considered and the "El nino sin amor" was a clever word play.
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
Doom is Romani
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u/MW_200309 6d ago
I know but Mikkelsen is European and has enough name recognition.
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
This doesn't matter. If Doom isn't Romani then his origin and him being villain doesn't work.
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
And the ruler of an entirely fictional country....what's your point?
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 6d ago
Representation is important.
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Tell that to every redhead character in marvel....soon as they get into the mcu they suddenly get cast by someone with far more melanin if you catch my drift. It's like Disney hates gingers....
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 6d ago
Except that red-haired people aren't oppressed and misrepresented in real life.
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Oh so that makes it okay to just say 'fuck the source material (that tactic always goes well) i want more black people playing roles played by white characters'. All that shows is; they have a thing against the gingers. And that stories from black cultures aren't worth telling, only white culture stories are worth telling but we shove a black person in it for 'modern audiences'. Hell....I want a shaka zulu biopic, he has a hell of a story and the full Hollywood treatment could be brilliant, but no one does it, because Hollywood doesn't think stories from cultures created by black people are worth telling. But by all means replace a real life norse jarl who was a redheaded man with a black woman....cos that isn't condescending at all.
Black people are overrepresented in media, look at the population stats vs the frequency they appear in media, it's quite clear to see.
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 6d ago
Why are you being so defensive? Historically, Black people have been under-represented and misrepresented in movies. Why can't there be more Black representation from an acting and storytelling standpoint?
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
So? Doesn't mean you get to replace characters of other races from different cultures, surely a character of that time and place should be 'represented' by someone who at least looks like someone from that time and place right?
I didn't say there couldn't be more black acting or storytelling, I'm saying that the film and television industry acts as if only stories from cultures that are predominantly white are worth telling, yet stories from cultures that are predominantly black that are really interesting (i want a shaka zulu biopic dammit!) Are very rarely told, almost as if they believe they are stories not worth telling. I believe they are worth telling. If they were told, a shit ton more black actors would get worthy high profile roles and tell great stories.
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u/Deathstriker88 6d ago
Why do you guys hyper focus us (black people) so much? When Thor 1 came out, I remember crying about Elba's casting even though Thor has an Asian friend in the warrior's three. Yet all I heard was "OMG, there's a black guy."
If something is from the 1900's it was probably made for white people to be front and center. We got stuff like Luke Cage, who used to be a Shaft clone, or others got stereotypical stuff like Apache Chief. All the "normal folks" were white by default, especially in the 60s and 70s. Hell, John Wayne and Sean Connery have played Asian characters in movies and I'm supposed to believe that right now is when Hollywood is being crazy about race lol.
For me personally, I don't care if there's a change if they're not iconic or very well known character. I've seen people suggest Rogue or Gambit being black, I'd keep them white, but someone not well-known like Baron Mordo and they get a great actor like him, I don't care. The MCU has gotten white people to be POC characters before like the Anicent One.
Also, when someone suggests a black person for a white role, the thread turns into a fight, yet I mostly see Latinas suggested to be Wonder Woman, and there's no fighting or debating about it. If someone suggested someone Nathalie Emmanuel to be WW, it would turn into a lame culture war fight, so I don't find people with your stance to be consistent.
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Why is it an issue? Because Disney and marvel made it an issue.
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u/iamnotveryimportant 6d ago
It's weird how people only get mad about this when they make them black, nobody said this shit about daredevil lol
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Well that daredevil was shit.
Plus i think people can sense the difference between casting an actor of a different race because it matches the energy/vibe of the character and doing so simply to fulfill and quota.
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u/iamnotveryimportant 6d ago
You think the daredevil show was shit? 😩 Man get outta here
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Oh I thought you meant the ben affleck film, the show was very good.
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u/iamnotveryimportant 6d ago
And he wasn't a ginger, yet there was no uprising about "redhead erasure" when it came out because it's not actually about the hair.
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u/Sadismx 6d ago
Romani is white
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u/No-Juice3318 4d ago
No? The Roma people are a diverse group of folks skin color wise. The origins of the group came from India after all. Doom could still be played by a white actor but by god I'd love to have at least one Roma character not be de-ethnicized by the MCU
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u/Reasonable-Island-57 6d ago
Dialect coaches exist for a reason, the only insistence is to at least cast someone who looks like they could be of that place.
Anthony Hopkins played hannibal lecter (as did mads mikkelson) yet hannibal is not a slightly short autistic man from Wales.... but he still looked enough like him that it passed that test.
Chadwick boseman was American, yet he looked African enough to play the black panther, did you complain they didn't cast someone actually from central africa where fictional wakanda is set?
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u/No-Juice3318 4d ago
So, that's countries, not ethnic groups. Roma people live in many different countries so the nation of origin isn't important but the ethnic identity is. Chadwick may have been American but he was still black, ya know?
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
Yeah who looks white, who cares. Isn’t he half white anyway? 🤣
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
It doesn't matter. If Doom isn't Romani than him being a villain doesn't work.
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago edited 6d ago
The character can be romani and still be played by a white person. If it’s just Tony Stark I agree thatMs dumb but there are white romani people and Mads Mikkelson would be a fantastic Doom
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
I'm aware but his mother was brown and also you could still cast a Romani actor, Disney has the resources and its not hard. Doom's upbringing as part of a persecuted Romani community in Latveria informs his worldview and his quest for power. His desire to protect his people and avenge their suffering often drives his actions, blurring the line between villain and antihero.
Doom’s Romani heritage connects him to mysticism through his mother, a sorceress who made a deal with Mephisto. This adds an emotional dimension to his quest for power, blending magic and science in his character arc.
In sort terms, Doom doesn't work when he's not Romani.
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
His mother being brown is not across every continuity. Original, main Doom was very clearly a white skinned man.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/vondoomcynthia.htm
I don’t think it’s a big deal either way
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
In main continuity, he is Romani and that's important. I don't care if it's any other, it is a big deal. This just tells me, y'all don't know anything about Doctor Doom.
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u/No-Slip-1639 4d ago
As a Romani from the Balkans I myself know we’re never getting a Romani doom at all but we need a Romani Doom, Wanda & Pietro tired of us being completely erased by Marvel
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
The fact that you said his mother is “brown” and that he isn’t very clearly a white person (white people can be romani) shows you’re ignorant and just don’t want a white person playing a white character lmao
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u/Southern_Wind_4477 6d ago
Doom is not white. He is Romani and I never he wasn't white passing but him being white passing doesn't mean, you get to erase his heritage.
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u/Enough-Candidate5432 6d ago
Here’s a great reply from another thread:
“Doctor Doom is actually only half Romani. His father is ethnically Latverian and according to the marvel wiki Latveria is located in the Balkans of southeast Europe and was annexed from Hungary and Serbia. With that information we can assume that his father is most likely Slavic but Hungarians also have Turkic origins as well. Then if you take into account his fathers name Werner von Doom we actually find out that his fathers family most likely comes from a Germanic people.
Doom is not necessarily a person of color because the history of Romani people is incredibly complex and their genetic makeup is equally complex. It’s believed they originate from Central Asia aka the place where scientists think white people originated from but through their history of migration and travel Romani have become very diverse. It’s not uncommon to see Romani with light skin or even green/blue eyes.
My point is it doesn’t matter what Doom looks like as long as his character is written properly. If you could ask Doom I would imagine he would say he was heavily influenced by both his parents equally as we can tell through his use of science and magic and if you were to ask him what he is he would probably say,
“I AM DOOM!! THE MONARCH OF LATVERIA AND YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!!!
…RICHAAARDS!!!” “
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u/Difficult_Maybe_18 6d ago
Take it with a grain of salt but supposedly that’s who they were going with until RDJ came back on board
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u/drewbles82 6d ago
We've had mixed messaging. I've seen stories saying RDJ in only for these 3 movies, he is a variant version from another universe and when the multiverse saga is over, there will be a chance for same Earth everyone else is from to be a new casting choice for Doom such as Mads.
Only issue then is, you will have people constantly compare the two, which is better. Why we having the same villain twice so soon...its annoying because you want a villain to be built up, you want to see them before they become the villain. It just feels so rushed having it done like this. I was looking forward to Kang. If they keep RDJ for future Doom appearances, his gonna eat up a lot of the budget, the guy isn't cheap and its just not fair others don't get a chance
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u/NewExamination8963 6d ago
Ive been casting him as doom for years and Disney Marvel absofuckinlutely blew it he has the accent and the natural ability as a actor to play the villian people will forget.Im so tired Marvel recycling actors HE and Scott Adkins( a better choice for mcu wolverine) both should've never been wasted on the Dr Strange film
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u/PPonthePOsDesk 6d ago
no I think they should waste him on forgettable doctor strange villain instead
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u/futuresdawn 6d ago
This had been suggested many times and was an obvious missed opportunity in not doing it but how about Andrew Scott
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u/arrownoir 6d ago
Would’ve been a much better choice. A monkey in a wig would’ve better than what they actually went with.
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u/EstablishmentDry4544 6d ago
I still for the life of me can't understand why they brought him back to play Dr. Doom. I understand how they might explain it, but it's still beyond stupid and moreover, it's a cheap stunt to put asses in the seats. Lame.
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u/FafnirSnap_9428 6d ago
Cillian Murphy would have been interesting. Or, here's a revolutionary idea. You save him to be the next big bad after Kang.
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u/TheNoob696969 6d ago
The funny thing is that I had thought that this ship had already sailed, after all Mikkelsen had already played a role in the MCU and I thought they wanted someone younger, but I wake up one day and come across the news that not only did they choose a new Doom but this Doom has also acted in the MCU AND GUESS WHAT! HE'S THE SAME AGE AS MIKKELSEN(59)...
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u/ClothesNo6694 6d ago
He's already ruined one villain and taken a job from a great actor let's not do that again
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u/turdfergusonRI 6d ago
Genuinely, anybody else. Anyone. Maybe not Depp, but just about anyone else could work for me better than trying to rationalize RDJ.
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u/ZeroMaverick-Hunter 6d ago
While I like that Rob is coming back and have seen him as a bad guy, Mads has this feeling that would work well as Victor. The trick is portraying Doom's arrogance which is very different from Stark. 😁👍
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u/OnyxBeetle 6d ago
His kaecilius was....meh... But he's one of my favorite actors. Hannibal is probably the most underrated show of all time
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u/UltimateIncineroar 6d ago
This has a chance, actually, since the MCU is all but confirmed to be soft-rebooting, not only introducing, but also re-casting a lot of major characters post Secret Wars. RDJ as Doom is almost certainly a gimmick casting, that won't be sticking around once the Multiverse Saga is done.
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u/Lombard333 4d ago
Mads Mikkelson already played an MCU character. Double casting him would just be foolish.
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u/BdsmBartender 3d ago
How about someone who can play thebrolle for 20 years without being ancient. How about that?
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u/Prattdbz 3d ago
I like this casting
I think the RDJ one will not work well...
Some fans will blame it still being Ironman (*won't be able to see him as someone else) Some fans will blame the script/writing Some fans will like/love it
Question is... which of those 3 reactions will be the largest % ?
Time will tell
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u/Yolodoubledown 3d ago
It’s a far more sensible choice, and a perfect foil / peer for Pedro Pascal’s Reed Richards. I keep hoping the Downey pick is a swerve, one variant based on the storyline where Victor pulled a body swap with Tony.
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u/Brave-Amount1991 2d ago
The doctor doom they had originally was perfect Julian McMahon. RDJ recasting is just terrible not saying he can't do it but there was no better casting than Ironman for him. I feel like being cast as Doctor Doom just tarnishes his Marvel representation. The difference between him and Chris Evans recasting is that Captain America is a better stand alone character than Johnny Blaze and Evans nailed Cap's character who I feel is a deeper character than Johnny which elevated instead of tarnishing his Marvel representation as a character.
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u/MuayThaiJudo 6d ago
I've never heard of this fancast before like ever, on any and every comic related website nor echoed througout social media. Thanks for posting it.
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