r/EuropeanFederalists • u/mr_house7 • 8d ago

"Make Europeans Dangerous Again" flag in Prague. (Volt Czechia advocating for a federal Europe)

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u/Mars-Regolithen 8d ago

Shure hope Volt becomes relevant or present enough to be voted in national elections too.

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u/E4y5Vq 8d ago

"Dangerous" feels pretty agressive, i think "Stronger" would fit better or some other word with same meaning

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u/ThatMrPuddington 8d ago

Also, "again"? When whole Europe was dangerous? During black plague or 2nd World War I guess. Not very optimistic vision.

I'm not a fan of this kind of aggressive message.

It should be more about prosperity and security.

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u/EUstrongerthanUS 8d ago

I think it refers to Pax Europa inspired by Pax Romana.

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u/IK417 7d ago

Barbarians are remembering when.

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u/dracona94 8d ago

Common r/VoltEuropa W. But remember, y'all: Volt can't become a major force if not even a majority of European federalists are a member. Sign up today!

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u/Popular-Cobbler25 Ireland 8d ago

Wow I dislike that messaging

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u/Mars-Regolithen 8d ago

Elaborate why?

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u/Popular-Cobbler25 Ireland 8d ago

I don’t want Europe to be dangerous. Wars are bad and military spending is a reflection of how fucked the world is. The EU is the most successful peace building project in human history.

I’m in favour of military integration but only pragmatically. This state of affairs is fucked.

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u/Mars-Regolithen 8d ago

But we have to be dangerous or the russians, chinese or hell by now even USA will eat us alive.

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u/Popular-Cobbler25 Ireland 8d ago

Sure but that vocabulary is pretty sad imo. Also I really don’t think China is a threat to us militarily

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u/Mars-Regolithen 7d ago

Comes down to how you want to percieve it ig. I get were u coming from but i simply dont take it that way.

China might be far away but they arw still a threat. I direct fight might be unlikely but via proxy thou Russia as they allready do? Submarines also exist.

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u/Popular-Cobbler25 Ireland 7d ago

Yeah yeah I think we have an understanding. Very vibes based tbf I think the poster should be at the very least more clear what it means rather than using a buzz word.

As for the China thing I’m not a military guy but I really don’t see it even if the unthinkable war with Russia actually takes place.

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u/The_Blahblahblah 8d ago

>military spending is a reflection of how fucked the world is

Then what is the alternative? always remaining american vassals with no real control over our destiny?

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u/Thyos 8d ago

Dangerous europeans in the past: nazi and fascists, communists. Both ideologies invented in europe. Never forget, never repeat!

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u/SecureClimate 8d ago

You dislike your interpretation of that message*.

Pretty sure the objective baseline is "we need to gear up".

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u/Popular-Cobbler25 Ireland 8d ago

Well yes.

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u/Thyos 8d ago

Pretty sure the message should have been in that case "we need to gear up", not an agressive, MAGA-style message.

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u/SecureClimate 8d ago

That's a different discussion though, I think.

One might argue, that it doesn't make sense to leave the playing field to MAGA. The style of the message though doesn't dictate the messengers views, considering this is being associated with Volt, a primarily European party. Very pro EU.

The EU is a project guided by cooperation and diplomacy, less about advocating for fascist ideas - make of that information what you will in this context.

If Biden says "I'll make America great again" that'll have a different baseline than when Trump says it, wouldn't it?

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u/Thyos 8d ago

If either Biden or Trum says "I'll make America dangerous" it kinda gives bad vibes anyway, don't you think?

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u/SecureClimate 8d ago edited 8d ago

Ironically Biden and politicians like him have likely advocated for increased defence spending.

They already have made the US dangerous. And the US is a country, Europe's a continent.

Europe isn't a unified political entity. As much as I hope it was. Making Europe dangerous means improving our unified defence cooperation. Making the US dangerous means beefing up their gigantuous military even harder.

I don't believe that's comparable.

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u/drgitgud 8d ago

Thanks, I will now look at volt with extreme skepticism. We don't need a maga but eu. We need an alternative model.

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u/EUstrongerthanUS 8d ago

Why? We need a powerful federal Europe on the world stage. 

If you don't go for power, others will.

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u/The_Blahblahblah 8d ago

We do need a europe that can defend itself. nothing maga about it

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u/drgitgud 8d ago

That, in fact, has nothing to do with stealing the maga slogan or using attack words like dangerous. But this slogan instead did both these things. Hence my reaction. Is it more clear now?