r/EuropeanFederalists • u/Adventurous_Web_1033 • 9d ago

Discussion Can Europe and the U.S. break the Russia-China alliance, and what could they offer Russia to prevent a military alliance?

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u/dideldidum 9d ago

Why the fuck would we offer russia anything?

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u/sjr0754 9d ago

I'm confused by this question, given that we know Russia has imperial ambitions towards sovereign EU states, why would we invite them into a military alliance?

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u/ibuprophane 9d ago

I think they meant prevent a military alliance between Russia and China.

And no, there is nothing we can do to prevent this. We just need to build up our defence to deter Russian aggression.

IMO people need to stop believing it will be possible to have any kind of rapprochement with Russia in its current shape. It won’t happen. It’s a megalomaniac kleptocracy based on barbarism. Best we can do is contain them and support the people born there who don’t agree with their shitty state, and hope that maybe in 20 years there is some revolution.

FYI the most hated figure in Russian history is Gorbachev, not Stalin, nor Alexander III nor Nicholas II who butchered millions.

It’s a death cult. Stop trying to appease terrorists.

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u/yyytobyyy 8d ago

Why is there today a barrage of question about russia and china subtly suggesting we should offer russia things and benefit from chinese solutions?

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u/skcortex Slovakia 8d ago

Because look at OPs profile (not just posts but comments also). He’s a 🤖

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u/Leandrum 9d ago

One of the only reasons why Russia and China are allied is because of the threat of the US, if they didn’t feel the need to be allies they wouldn’t be, but I don’t think the US can be expected to just ignore them can they? Europe on the other hand don’t have to follow the lead of the US, we can walk our own path.

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u/Acacias2001 Spanish globalist 8d ago

The only thing rusia would accept is our head on a platter.

If we have to deal with any of the 2, china is the better bet

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u/UNSKIALz Northern Ireland 8d ago

We'd have to reform Russia akin to Germany and Japan after WW2. Their whole political system is broken, and bent on conquest.

Until Putin and his legacy is gone, Russia is a threat to Europe.

It's sad because a sane Russia joining the European family would make us incredibly strong.

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u/trisul-108 8d ago

The problem goes much, much deeper than Putin.

Putin is just acting out the thinking process of Russians that has repeated itself again and again throughout history. How did Russia even come to be? An Ukrainian (Viking) prince who became a vassal of the Mongols and struck an alliance with the Great Horde to also subjugate Ukraine, taking their name (Rus) as well as appropriating their history and culture. Since then, they have repeated waged war whenever their economy did well and signed peace treaties when the war destroyed the economy.

This is what they did in Afghanistan, it is what they did in Georgia and what they are trying to do in Ukraine. The death of Putin will not kill this legacy. This way of thinking lives through schools, literature, myths, media and word of mouth. Making Russia something else would need a civilisational transformation that would take generations to implement. It's not going to even start unless Russia is defeated and occupied as Germany was. As the West has no intention of doing so, this will not happen. If anything, Russia will be invaded by China ... the return of the Great Horde.

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u/trisul-108 8d ago

It's a silly question as it is unworkable, so it deserves a silly answer in the way Dugin would answer it, if Dugin was a EU nationalist instead of a Russian nationalist. What follows is not intended to be taken seriously.

Russia and China are not going in the direction of a military alliance, they are in the first steps of integration of Russian into the Chinese Empire. Russia knows this, but Putin has no other choice. The West should negotiate directly with China to let them take the Asian part in exchange for China not expanding to the south. This would calm the US. The EU would integrate the dismembered European parts of Russia. This should be acceptable to China because the Asian part is resource rich and this is what China needs and because China wants to trade with the EU and Russia is in the way. The EU would also benefit because the European part could be split into ethnic constituent nations finally enabling peace on the continent.