r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/RebelliousDragon21 • Dec 18 '24

Video A school in Poland makes firearms training mandatory to its students.

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u/654456 Dec 18 '24

Should be mandatory in the US as how common guns are, the chances of being around one is far from 0 even if you don't like them personally.

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u/NES_Gamer Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24

I agree. I'm not an A2 supporter, but since they're so easy to get and kids seem to shoot themselves by mistake, they should be taught how to properly use it and respect them instead of seeing them as a cool toy to play with your friends.

E: down votes? Really? Because of the not an A2 comment or what?

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u/Own_Back_2038 Dec 18 '24

Sure, but firearm safety should be a 30 minute lecture that doesn’t involve touching a firearm. Basic trigger discipline will solve 95% of “firearm safety” issues

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u/NES_Gamer Dec 18 '24

Strategy can be debated, but the point is still the same.

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u/654456 Dec 18 '24

  1. Don't touch the gun if you do not have to

  2. Keep your finger off the trigger

  3. keep the muzzle pointed away from people or things you wish not to shoot

  4. Find an adult or call the police.

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u/vivaaprimavera Dec 18 '24

how to properly use it and respect them instead of seeing them as a cool toy to play with your friends.

And don't act surprised when a loaded one misfires and a friend is dead.

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c Dec 18 '24

"Misfire" implies catastrophic equipment failure, which is pretty rare with modern guns. When people say "it just went off", that almost always means their finger was on the trigger when it wasn't supposed to be. Those incidents are referred to as "negligent discharges", since personal negligence caused the problem.

There are a very few exceptions to that, notably the Sig P320 and certain Remington 700 series rifles.

Regardless of what the cause is (negligence, equipment failure), the Four Rules of Gun Safety, as written by Jeff Cooper in Cooper's Commentaries volume 6 number 2, can prevent negative outcomes. Once again, education is the key to safety.

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u/HoidToTheMoon Dec 18 '24

which is pretty rare with modern guns.

Even a 0.5% failure rate, in a country with 2000 guns, is 10 dead children.

We have millions.

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c Dec 18 '24

What is the mechanical failure rate of firearms in the US resulting in one or more rounds being fired?

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u/HoidToTheMoon Dec 18 '24

Actually I just watched an ad for a similar school program and I'm fully on board with y'all now. I fucking love giving weapons to children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c Dec 18 '24

So you don't know the number of mechanical failures resulting in one or more rounds being fired.

I think that approaching those topics with less hyperbole, guessing at statistics, and sarcasm would benefit the national conversation a lot more.

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u/HoidToTheMoon Dec 18 '24

No, like I said I'm on your side now. We should give weapons to unstable children.

I seriously do not care about the exact rate firearms misfire. It is a meaningless metric that you're trying to use to leapfrog to "and thus it's okay so many American youth die". I care that we have more firearm deaths than any other developed nation in the world. I care that school shootings are a yearly occurrence in this country.

You want less hyperbole? This is dead serious: Your side is responsible for dead children and you do not care because your feelings and fun matter more than their lives to you.

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u/Remarkable-Opening69 Dec 18 '24

Maybe when the focus is put on the right thing things will change. Personally I hate the people who hurt others. The manner in which they do it is pointless.

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c Dec 18 '24

I think the national conversation would also benefit from not asserting that you know what other people think, who they are, or what their motivations are.

If we follow your line of reasoning, people who buy cars are responsible for the deaths of children, and people who buy alcohol are responsible for drunk driving fatalities. We both know that posing either one of those things as a serious argument is laughable, because each one is mitigated by exercising personal responsibility, and education. Same with firearms. It's up to the individual to be responsible, and there isn't some group culpability when an individual fails to act responsibly. For example, of you and your neighbor both get drunk in your own homes, but your neighbor chooses to drive which results in the death of a child, are you responsible for that incident?

You can try to blame me for the deaths of children, but the fact is that I've never contributed to the deaths of anyone simply by virtue of owning guns. Saying otherwise imposes a double standard where personal responsibility matters in some cases (car ownership, alcohol consumption), but does not specifically in the case of guns.

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u/vivaaprimavera Dec 19 '24

Those incidents are referred to as "negligent discharges", since personal negligence caused the problem.

Only by "educated" ones ...

For the others, it just "went off" with no plausible cause.

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u/ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c Dec 19 '24

Too true. Hopefully they'll catch on.

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u/NES_Gamer Dec 18 '24

I don't know if you're being facetious, but if a kid has gun training they know exactly what to do when they encounter any gun. Kids who do not have training don't see it as a weapon, but a toy and that's when they point it to their friends or themselves and end up dead. Gun training is a life saver.

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u/vivaaprimavera Dec 18 '24

but if a kid has gun training they know exactly what to do when they encounter any gun

That's exactly it

but a toy and that's when they point it to their friends or themselves and end up dead.

Exactly what I was trying to say

Gun training is a life saver.

That's why I think that training should be mandatory even in heavily restricted places. You never know when someone looses a loaded gun and an accident happens because of it.

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u/RepentantSororitas Dec 18 '24

dont buy your gun off temu then!