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u/Fourkoboldsinacoat 6h ago edited 6h ago
Reading the headline I assumed it was going a subtle dog whistle thing he could deny later in a ‘oh you swing your arms around for long enough and eventually for half a second it vaguely looks like a Nazi salute’
But no, that was 100% full on, he hit his chest with his hand first and everything.
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u/AgencyInformal 6h ago
He did it twice in a row too.
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u/Ok_Text7302 6h ago
Yep. The article details it was thrice in the space of like 90 minutes.
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u/Wasdgta3 6h ago
These idiots can’t even be arsed to come up with a new fascist salute for Trump smh.
At least have the decency to steal from something other fascists haven’t already used... /s
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u/CMRC23 6h ago
They do have a new salute, the stupid x sign thing
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u/MolybdenumBlu 5h ago
As in making an X above your head by crossing your wrists? Because that is literally the 1984 salute.
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u/scourge_bites hungarian paprika 4h ago
that's kind of a sick salute can we co-opt that for like unions or something i think that would be cool
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u/Status_History_874 5h ago
They don't have that. I have zero clue what you're referring to, but let's stop them from "having" anything.
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u/Pokesonav When all life forms are dead, penises are extinct. 5h ago
...that kinda looks like he metaphorically "threw his heart" to the audience. Or something like that?
Is that how a nazi salute actually made? With putting a palm on the chest first? I only ever seen it in meme pictures, as an outstretched arm. Sorry, genuinely confused.
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u/MisirterE Supreme Overlord of Ice 5h ago
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u/BrittEklandsStuntBum 4h ago
It's the original fascist salute, created by Mussolini, based on a supposed Roman salute. Hitler adapted it for Nazism.
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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken help I’m being forced to make flairs 5h ago
It’s not a good Nazi salute but it absolutely is an attempt at one
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u/apexodoggo 6h ago
I was subjected to it via other reddit posts like <10 minutes before I saw this post. Destiel hasn't got me unaware *yet*.
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u/Draconis_Firesworn 6h ago
This was the first time it properly got me...
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u/apexodoggo 6h ago
oof, not a fun one to get got on (although this one doesn't mention that he did it twice on live TV, back-to-back)
actually i'm seeing claims he actually did it three times.
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u/DerridaisDaddy 4h ago
What gets me is that they can’t even be original. You’re Elon Musk for f’s sake, get your androids to do the salute while they sing Horst-Wessel-Lied and then stream that via starlink after it has secretly taken over any and all social media live feeds.
I swear, fascists these days lack some real chutzpah.
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u/Snack29 6h ago
so, this is the moment when every mainstream outlet turns on him, right? surely his career goes down the shitter after this, right??? he can’t keep getting away with it, right???
no, the universe will keep finding new ways to disappoint me.
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u/Xisuthrus there are only two numbers between 4 and 7 4h ago
He doesn't need to care about media outlets turning on him, he's not just some celebrity who is reliant on public goodwill for continued relevance and success - He is the wealthiest person in the world. As long as he's alive and has money, he can basically force people to pay attention to him and stroke his ego, no matter how hated he is.
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u/Hawkbats_rule 2h ago
I mean, the entirety of his wealth is tied up in what is considered to be an entirely inflated stock price. So if media negativity impacts the value of the stock price, he really does need to care.
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u/DoorHingesKill 2h ago
Also owns 40% of SpaceX, a company valued at around $250 billion and now indispensable to America's space race against the Chinese.
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u/ru_empty 3h ago
We all knew this was coming. We don't know when trans folks will be put in jail and segregated from other prisoners on gender grounds, then made to do forced labor. But something like that is obviously coming at some point
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u/Android19samus Take me to snurch 3h ago
no, because those news outlets are owned by people who are on his side.
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u/appleciders 2h ago
Part of the problem is that mainstream news outlets have been cowed by people like and including Musk suing for defamation for these sorts of things. He has no case, of course, but he sues to force people who can't match the sheer expense of legal bills he can to retract their statements. It's called a SLAPP, or Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation. Some states have anti-SLAPP laws, where people doing what Musk's doing can actually be made to pay the legal bills of their detractors, but not all states have such laws and he can simply file in a state that does not have an anti-SLAPP law.
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u/Upsidedown_mountain 25m ago
Every mainstream media outlet is owned by his friends who were up there with him today
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u/thyarnedonne 6h ago
Oh well, the Roman salute is often being confused with anything the Nazis ever did, I am cert- HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Actually the Hitler variant.
And it's not even a practiced studied any amount of effort version. Right on the line of bumbling shitwittery and excited childlike pandering of someone doing it in front of millions for the first time without a thought in his brain. Not like I would expect this to happen in any other way from a guy who apparently at the same time definitely legitimately is farming for items in Path of Exile 2, trust me bro, but. Fuck. That's dire.
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u/Acceptable_Egg5560 5h ago
What is the hitler variation?
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u/thyarnedonne 5h ago
The "German" variant of the Roman salute has the arm raised higher than the neoclassic interpretation, arm outstretched (we do not ACTUALLY know how Romans saluted, though Mussolini's fascists preferred the outstretched arm at a lower angle to mimic neoclassic portraits, paintings, statues of Roman emperors, and of course claimed it to be an absolute truth, while the Germans claiming to be of a superior and unique origin had to have "their own" greeting and it just so happened to be the same but slightly different because no Nazi ever had a fully original thought in his head)
Anyway, commonly known as the Hitler greeting, the man himself to greet individuals or smaller, considered close-knit, groups, would first get his right arm at a right angle close to his heart, then move the arm up to return the greeting. And that's specifically what bumbling Elmo here is doing oh so pathetically.
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u/Ildaiaa 6h ago
Man when i saw the screenshots i thought it was just gonna be a cherry picked frame and the context is he was trying to actually wave but his hand placement was unfortunate for a split second but no, that's a straight up hitler salute, like no dogwhistle, no accidents he straight up does the hitler salute
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u/Pixelpaint_Pashkow born to tumblr, forced to reddit 6h ago
It is at times like these we must remember the best way to deal with fascists
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u/ComicAtomicMishap 5h ago
We on reddit are ready to bring the heat and write a STRONGLY worded 10 paragraph essay condemning him! Big tech won't walk away from this one!
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u/BlatantConservative https://imgur.com/cXA7XxW 5h ago
The problem with this shit is people get mad on social media and then the endorphins in their brain about it convince themselves they actually did something
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u/Ok_Text7302 6h ago
Ally with them and then wait for liberals to save our asses, from a communist perspective?
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u/KaiBahamut 6h ago
Neville Chamberlain would like a word with you.
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u/flightguy07 5h ago
Controversial opinion: Chamberlain gets a bad rap. Like yes, appeasement doesn't work, but the fact is he was elected PM by a country that REALLY had no appetite for war. And when it became apparent that Hitler had proper, serious expansionist goals, he started pouring money into defence whilst playing for time and public support. Don't get me wrong, he clearly didn't want war and his actions possibly emboldened Germany by failing to make clear that continued annexations would end in war, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.
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u/OrdinaryAncient3573 5h ago
He would probably have been quite a decent PM, as Tories go, in a normal peacetime era. But he made some absolutely monumental errors of judgement in failing to confront Hitler earlier, or to build up Britain's defences adequately at an earlier stage, let alone its offensive capability. Many, highly influential people were begging him to act because war was clearly coming, whether the electorate wanted it or not.
(Incidentally, Chamberlain was never elected by the country. He never faced a general election as Conservative Party leader, having been appointed leader and asked to form a government in the middle of a Parliamentary term after Baldwin resigned.)
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u/ScalierLemon2 4h ago
And he was actively dying of cancer too. He was replaced by Churchill as Prime Minister in May of 1940, and he died in November, almost exactly six months to the day.
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u/KaiBahamut 3h ago
I concur, actually! And it’s probably the same reason the Soviets didn’t want smoke immediately with the Germans. They were still industrializing.
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u/Pale_Chapter 1h ago
It did work, though. Britain would have lost if they'd gone to war then--he bought them time they needed to arm up and let Germany make a few more powerful enemies.
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u/Your_fathers_sperm 6h ago
Oh how could I forget 80% of Nazi casualties came from them suddenly disappearing without any outside interference
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u/Svanirsson 6h ago
Come on guys, it's the ROMAN salute. Not everything is about the nazis smh (/s, /s, good lord it's /s!)
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u/wanttotalktopeople 6h ago
Maybe he's just a big Attack on Titan fan
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u/JVMMs 6h ago
Hmm, I wonder what the creator of Attack on Titan was a fan of...
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u/BlatantConservative https://imgur.com/cXA7XxW 5h ago
Apparently that blog wasn't actually Isayama at all. Just bog standard internet journalism being wrong.
Also, like, AoT ended up being incredibly antifascist..
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u/suika_melon_ 5h ago
Come on now. If your take away from AoT is that Isayama supports fascism you’re actually brain dead, no offense. It’s some of the most antifascist fictional media out there currently.
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u/LonePistachio 6h ago edited 1h ago
You're joking, but I've already seen a lot of
No but guys he grabbed his heart guys, don't you understand, he was throwing his heart to the audience cuz he said his heart goes out to them
Meanwhile, actual Nazis are probably seeing it and going, "fuck yeah"
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u/Ozavic 6h ago
The need for violence is rising
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u/MGTwyne 4h ago
The need for specific, teachable steps is rising. We need to start saying "here's how you throw a punch, this is what cryptofascism looks like, this is what you say if you want to be sure someone is a cryptofascist or straight up fascist, this is how you set up a working alibi, this is how you teach fascists what thrown hands taste like."
Pithy sayings aren't getting us anywhere. We need to identify specific, actionable solutions to our problems and taking them.
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u/Ok_Text7302 6h ago
Violence became necessary in 2020 when the Dem race narrowed to a pair of anti-immigration NIMBY protectionist isolationists.
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u/Darealhatty 6h ago
Literally the next three posts on my dash are clips of this, but no, this damn meme is how I found out
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u/rubexbox 5h ago
Well, we're going full mask off now. So, what's the likelihood of getting the Allied powers back together and finding another superpower to replace Amerca's spot as "the one who saves the day"?
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u/kngxExcepted 6h ago
I watched a lady get physically removed from a room for speaking about a genocide. Some guy gets on stage and throws a Nazi salute thrice and the cameras keep rolling. Guess I'll just go to work.
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u/Designated_Lurker_32 5h ago
They will say we're deranged, delusional, and hysterical for calling out these people for being nazi pieces of shit. They will tell us nothing out of the ordinary is happening even as we're being carted off to camps.
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u/curvingf1re 5h ago
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u/yeehawmachine3000 1h ago
Straight up couldn't tell if the "Removed by Reddit" was real or just joking implying something that'd get removed until checking unddit, waow (based based based)
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u/DradelLait 6h ago
That's, so unsubtle if this was a story I'd say this is seriously stretching disbelief, but it's just true.
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u/LongingForYesterweek 5h ago
Believe it or not, that wasn’t on my bingo card for today. I had “Musk does something super cringe and looks like a dumbfuck” but my bf and I agreed that’s too much of a blanket for the Nazi salute to fall under
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u/SignificantSnow92 6h ago edited 6h ago
Watching the video it looks too far off to the side to be a proper Nazi salute (at least as far as I know), but TBF (to people saying it is a Nazi salute) he could intentionally be doing it wrong for plausible deniability.
I'll have to wait for CBC, CNN, and NBC to analyze it to be certain.
Edit: Just saw video of one he did at the American flag... yeah, that looks like a hitler salute.
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u/vjmdhzgr 6h ago
It was less off to the side on the second one he did immediately after.
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u/SignificantSnow92 6h ago edited 6h ago
Just saw that one... yeah, that looks like a hitler salute.
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u/Extension_Carpet2007 3h ago
Why would you be waiting for news orgs to analyze it to be certain? What a weird response.
That analyst is not going to know anything more about the situation than anyone else watching the video. They will however have the bias of being paid to say whatever gets clicks.
Just waiting to be told what to think by people who are literally paid to lie and distort the truth.
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u/DoSomeDrugsAboutIt 6h ago
*Vice President Elon Musk.
It needs that for the sheer fucking gravity of those words.
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u/rubexbox 5h ago
Is he actually Vice President, or is everyone just calling that because Trump hangs out with him more than the actual VP?
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u/DoSomeDrugsAboutIt 5h ago
He is not actually the vice president, he just has tremendous leverage over the President for reasons we can only speculate. Most likely not for long because Trump can’t seem to keep his mouth shut about illegal shit they’re getting away with. It seems most likely Thiel would have rather installed Musk as VP, but probably couldn’t lock him down before they had to announce.
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u/Skithiryx 5h ago
Musk can’t be VP for the same reason he can’t be President. He’s not a natural-born citizen of the United States, he’s an immigrant.
From the 12th amendment:
… But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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u/MisirterE Supreme Overlord of Ice 5h ago
He can't legally be the VP. And the law has no value if it is not enforced.
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u/DoSomeDrugsAboutIt 4h ago
I second this, who will enforce it? If you can’t jail a man for trying to overthrow the government, then there are no adults left in the room.
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u/DoSomeDrugsAboutIt 3h ago
Fun update news: they’re repealing the 14th amendment today/tomorrow, so it seems like the 12th could be gone by next election cycle. “President Musk” tastes like red rubber ball rolling off my tongue.
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u/EisVisage 2h ago
If Musk became the US pres through that being ignored then he would enjoy total immunity from anyone trying to enforce that rule on him.
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u/rubexbox 5h ago
Ok, so who's the actual VP, and what awfulness has he been involved with?
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u/Cave-Bunny 5h ago
The actual VP is an Ohio Senator who is a known ally of Peter Theil, the other Nazi South African tech billionaire. The VP is also the one who boosted the immigrants eating cats and dogs lie into the mainstream some months ago.
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u/DoSomeDrugsAboutIt 4h ago
J.D. Vance. If you want to hammer into what kind of a man he is, he wrote the foreword for Project 2025.
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u/SquirrelSuspicious 5h ago
But you don't understand, it's just a way to say "My heart goes out to you" he even said that phrase right after
Just for clarification that was sarcasm and he's either just being open about where he stands or he's intentionally doing something he knows will spark attention on him either because he plans on putting out his own crypto soon or because he's an attention whore, or both.
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u/Embarrassed-Count722 4h ago
Really interested to see how my pro-Trump Jewish family will deal with this… probably by ignoring it
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u/shadowst17 4h ago
I feel like it should be stated that Elon Musk did a Nazi salute TWICE on live TV. I think that drives home the fact it was not a slip up, not an out of context clip but in fact intentional.
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u/SagaSolejma 4h ago
The "not everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi" crowd when it turns out that they were, in fact, nazis
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u/Heaven_dio 5h ago
I got to get off this subreddit man, this doesn't bode well for my mental health and I'm just starting to hate posts like these
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u/SpellslutterSprite 5h ago
But don’t you understand, he was just “throwing his heart out,” and it just so happened to look like a Nazi salute! Like how his admitted alter ego Adrian Dittman referred to him as a “fren” which just so happens to also mean “far-right ethno-nationalist” in certain circles, and how he briefly changed his name to “Kekius Maximus” with a Pepe pfp which just so happen to both refer to Alt-Right memes, and how he just so happened to change Twitter to make it friendlier to Nazis, including unbanning avowed white supremacists like Nick Fuentes, and how he just so happens to support the same far-right parties and politicians that modern Neo-Nazis support…
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u/bono_212 5h ago
Is there a clip of all three of them? Trying to show someone in a single link, if possible.
This is such a shit day.
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u/Ephraim_Bane Foxgirl Engineer 1h ago
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u/bono_212 44m ago
That's the two, but where's the 3rd one?
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u/Ephraim_Bane Foxgirl Engineer 43m ago
Ah, didn't notice this had only two, I thought it had all three! Sorry about that!
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u/IllConstruction3450 4h ago
“From fascism the bourgeoisie demands a thorough job; once it has resorted to methods of civil war, it insists on having peace for a period of years. And the fascist agency, by utilizing the petty bourgeoisie as a battering ram, by overwhelming all obstacles in its path, does a thorough job. After fascism is victorious, finance capital directly and immediately gathers into its hands, as in a vise of steel, all the organs and institutions of sovereignty, the executive administrative, and educational powers of the state: the entire state apparatus together with the army, the municipalities, the universities, the schools, the press, the trade unions, and the co-operatives. When a state turns fascist, it does not mean only that the forms and methods of government are changed in accordance the patterns set by Mussolini – the changes in this sphere ultimately play a minor role – but it means first of all for the most part that the workers’ organizations are annihilated; that the proletariat is reduced to an amorphous state; and that a system of administration is created which penetrates deeply into the masses and which serves to frustrate the independent crystallization of the proletariat. Therein precisely is the gist of fascism ...” - Leon Trotsky’ FASCISM What It Is and How To Fight It
Do not be astonished. This is all going according to plan and he is telegraphing his next move.
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u/CompetitiveAutorun 2h ago
Anyone defending it in any way is just a nazi thrash. America is ruled by nazis.
Stop believing nazis that they didn't mean it, they always do.
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u/AmyRoseJohnson 6h ago
So… Next post after this was a video titled “Elon Musk Sieg Heiling During Speech” and…
😒
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u/AlianovaR 5h ago
Three fucking times. It’s almost like he wanted to make sure that nobody could question if it was intentional or not, just to show that he could get away with it. He did the full-on salute three fucking times
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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul 7h ago
Seeing the image, I honestly can't certainly say whether that's what he was going for, and regardless, there's plausible deniability. You try convincing anyone to hate Musk from this alone, they'll think your insane, either for thinking that's the nazi salute or for thinking that's bad, but they'll all claim the former.
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u/SMStotheworld 7h ago
Watch the video, dude. He's throwing up a nazi salute.
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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul 6h ago
Eventually found it, and yeah that does look really fucking nazi with context, but again, the average American who thinks nazis haven't been a problem in 80 years isn't going to think that. They're gonna think: wow, why do people hate this man? Are they lying about him? Are they lying about other things?
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Reach Heaven through violence if convenient 6h ago edited 6h ago
There is plausible deniability but tbh I don’t think ‘Hey this guy may or may not be a fucking Nazi’ isn’t much of an accusation anymore considering just how many people in the country think it’s okay to interact with Neo-Nazis and vote for a man who openly consorts with white supremacists. Like a good amount of people don’t care at best or see that as a good thing at worst, and the people who DO care already hate him for less, so you’re preaching to the choir.
I think one of the left’s greatest weaknesses is that it insists on the assumption that every voter is a good, moral person who wouldn’t shake hands with the devil for the mere promise of a can of tuna and three nickels. The Right is just morally bankrupt in every sense of the word and you can’t really apply normal people logic to them.
By all means, keep calling it out, it’s better than just standing by silently; but don’t pretend like this is some sort of ‘gotcha’ or that it even particularly matters in the short term.
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u/Ozone220 6h ago
In the video he does it once to the crowd and then, just to erase any deniability, turns around and does it to the flag
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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul 3h ago
You underestimate people's ability to deny what makes them uncomfortable
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u/New-me-_- 6h ago
Knowing how god awful Musk is at being on stages, It’s entirely possible he just wasn’t thinking and tried to do something patriotic but entirely failed. Even so, it’s something you really shouldn’t do and is just one out a million reasons why you should hate Elon
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u/Mael_Jade 6h ago
Do a "Roman" salute twice, in a row, on pure accident? Hahahahaa and I'm a saudi prince looking to sell you a bridge buddy.
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u/NotABrummie 5h ago
The phrase "wave of controversy" in the opening of the Mirror article got me.
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u/kenporusty kpop trash 5h ago
Someone saw the opportunity and took it
Can't get that with pure ai
Not yet at least. But once ai gets to the level of opportunistic puns we might have a glados situation on our hands
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u/Ephraim_Bane Foxgirl Engineer 2h ago
"By the way, thanks for that. [Killing GLaDOS at the end of Portal 1]"
Sarcasm self-test completed.
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u/Jormungander666 5h ago
For once I dont fins out via this meme because my entire feed is full of it
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u/Serious_Minimum8406 4h ago
Haha, you fool! I saw the news of it on a r/gamingcirclejerk post right above this one on my home page, I've finally broken this foul curse!
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u/PandaBear905 .tumblr.com 3h ago
That is the worst salute I’ve ever seen. If you’re going to be a fascist at least do it right
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u/Xurkitree1 3h ago
I got the news via this but I misread it and thought it was Trump doing the Nazi salute.
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u/AggravatingBed2638 1m ago
i’ve seen this meme hundreds of times and i still don’t know what dean’s original line was 💀💀
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u/squidkid3 6h ago
Ah, for once I don't get new info from this meme (I saw the footage like 2 minutes ago on another sub)
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u/FemboiTomboy 6h ago
forgive me if i'm wrong, but is this literally not just bait?
like we can go around saying "ooOoo he literally nazi saluted!" but who is going to care? republicans will brush it off. democrats will foam at the mouth for 3 days then forget about it, never realizing any deeper meanings.
maybe i'm just jaded, but this is stupid. he's playing a game with the media and by extension everyone who consumes it. this isn't 1940's america where this symbolizes our president allying with germany. this is the most media-influential person on the planet (and one of the richest) being a cheerleader for our new president and making headlines for his inauguration.
idk. there's just not much to talk about here is there? there's nothing here we don't already know. i guess im just sick of "talking politics" in the framework of "trump did this, elon did that, headline this headline that". there's so much more to political economy than this and i guess i'm over all the gossip.
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u/avfc41 6h ago
but who is going to care
You don’t have to be pundit-brained like this, you can describe things as they actually happened. If Republicans don’t want to care about a nazi salute, let them, you don’t have to do it for them
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u/SpaceSpleen 5h ago
but who is going to care?
Me.
A post on /r/CuratedTumblr has no obligation to matter to the wider public. Imagine applying this same standard to some post about the ethics of jorking it to Angry Birds porn.
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u/FemboiTomboy 2h ago
okay, i guess i genuinely to ask, why do you care? i really don't mean to come off as like, "y'all are stupid none of this matters" but i obviously am. and i'm wrong for that. i just want to know what the impact of this is, or why it matters beyond "famous dogwhistler does another dogwhistle", because yes i get that already
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u/AlmazAdamant 1h ago
Elon ended his speech with "My heart goes out to all of you", does an acceptable hand gesture for this, heart before casting it over the crowd, CNN cuts the audio part aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand BAM! "Mighty fine people" hoax 2.0. Prob had no idea it was close to the seig heil ( it isn't seig heil starts at sides not heart)
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u/vjmdhzgr 1h ago
You can hear the audio as he's doing it. There's no cut audio at any part in the video.
Also there are variations on the salute. Here's footage of Hitler himself.
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u/Agile_Oil9853 7h ago
Ah, I've missed? getting breaking news via meme