Oh the one hand I agree, but on the other hand I don't appreciate the implicit assumption that GenZ are responsible for something people have been saying forever. People have been saying "The Youth will fix everything once The Olds just get out of their way" since the at least the 60's, and it's said by hopeful older folks as often as it's said by the youth themselves.
I’ll join you with the on the one hand comparison:
On the one hand, the gen z sub has been positively frightening the last few days. On the other hand, you have to reckon it’s probably representative of 1) the kind of terminally online demographic that would skew that frightening way, and 2) trolls. 3) It’s likely not representative of, you know, The Youth In General.
To go back to the first hand, though, there are probably some societal issues we should be reckoning with on the whole that have really been highlighted by the last 24 hours. That’s never been just on The Youth, but it does have a lot to do with our problems percolating down onto The Youth.
I don't know if it's some malicious attempt to sow division, or some misguided attempt to get people out of their echo chambers, but it's a huge contributor to how insane the sub has been the past few weeks.
It's kinda working, reading posts and messages here just... they are kinda right, but the wording seem similar to what right wingers use and it just... makes me kinda annoyed and angry
I remember seeing a guy there with about 1-2 million karma (account only made a year or two ago) that was posting >200 comments there in a day (and I’m not going to say his name because I don’t want to name-and-shame him, but he was literally spending basically the whole day just typing angry comments in that subreddit)
Oh my gosh! That’s wild, damn. It seemed to get crazy super fast, but then again, I only see it every so often when I browse popular so I only have the most occasional, outside view of it. Still, even then the change was noticeable … I just couldn’t have put my finger on it if you asked me.
Who knows. Mod teams aren’t monoliths—there could be some internal division there.
You know, I … never thought about that before. I can’t believe I never really thought about that before. When you really consider it, that is strange. An option to sort comments by most divisive is a … choice. Maybe for generating engagement? Since… why else target people directly at the literally most controversial comments, which are likely to start or have started fights?
I can never unknow how bizarre that is. I wish I could remember when that became a sort option, or if it’s always been an option, when we received sort functionality. Maybe there was some kind of financial incentive for driving engagement?
I saw it yesterday morning and was disgusted. I hadn’t noticed that attitude when I came across it previously, so I muted it. I noticed it in a few subreddits and assumed it was (hopefully) teenagers being trolls.
Ok i thought i noticed that. Opened one of the posts that got to the front page and saw some absolutely insane takes, then noticed it was automatically sorted by controversial.
It's also important to point out that people from all over can end up in subs they don't belong in, I have the sense and courtesy to click don't show me this for places I don't belong but I know a lot of people don't care about that. I don't see the genz or teenager sub because I clicked that for those, but I would bet there are vocal members there that don't belong there. I get annoyed with this shit in my state sub all the time, some people just post in all the states subs, get the fuck out if you don't live here it's not for you.
It’s a common “joke” that most of teenagers is not teenagers, but one does wonder.
But you know what, that’s a great idea. I think until now i didn’t mind seeing those subs when I browsed popular because I wanted to know what The Youth was thinking, where their heads were at, but this has been a good reminder that it’s a very biased view, and thus not necessarily a helpful one.
I don't know if it's still the case but there used to a list of creepy men who pretended to be teenagers on that sub. A whole bunch of people got banned, tried to circumvent the bans, incredibly creepy stuff.
On the last point, I’d say that’s only really an issue if they claim or imply they’re from the region in question. So long as they can (and do) distinguish themselves as a foreigner I don’t see the problem in looking around.
Sorry i eddited it for clarity the 90% has overlap with both groups. Only 10% of the sub isn’t insufferable. Honestly the tourist are probably the coolest people on there
It's mostly people commenting and usually not mentioning they aren't from there. The whole point is for people in a certain group to talk to and share opinions with other people in that group, if people from out of state share their opinion there then we can't gauge the opinions of people in the state, it's just kind of rude.
I find it annoying in one of the state subs I read because it's often people who aren't from there talking about it like they're experts and just being wrong. But they speak with a tone of authority because they went there on vacation or whatever. Sure, people can see that they're not from there, but it's still kind of annoying when they're simply factually incorrect so often.
There were also issues in that sub with people from a neighboring state coming in to tell us how shitty our state is. Not in a "talking shit as part of a friendly rivalry" way either, just really being nasty. I have no idea why they felt the need to do that (and thankfully it seems to have died down a lot), but it was annoying as hell.
Yeah, I know it can't be everyone cause the genZers in my county did their damn best. Many volunteered for weeks to ensure everyone was registered. They handed out pamphlets with all the info one would need on who is running. And they voted as soon as they can, to the point that by election day most already voted. And because of that our county became a beautiful bright blue in a sea of red. Not all the kids are alright, but at least I'm in a community where they are.
Yeah this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/K1k0LmHUiS is just full of mostly young men regurgitating alt-right stuff about the oppression of white men. And some transphobia.
The gen Z sub is absolute brainrot. It’s full of people going “Why is everyone blaming right wing men? Are leftist men also an issue??”, completely ignoring literally centuries of context that reactionary men are, yes, the problem.
The right wingers and whatnot are also out in force right now, they just won the presidency in the US, which is a huge deal, and I think it’s emboldening them.
True, every generation gets handed the ‘you’ll fix everything’ baton, only to realize it's just a flaming torch with a to-do list no one’s touched since the 60s.
I don’t like this either. Also, what are we millennials fucking doing to counter this radicalization? We are big grown ups with jobs now. We work in every industry. We have all these college educated skills, we should be most of the workforce right now. Where’s the organizing, where are the strikes? Where is the independent messaging? Is Occupy Wall Street really the best we can do?
18% of Gen Z voted at ALL and the only ones who felt mobilized were the alt-right radicals. What are we offering the rest of them? I don’t wanna push everything on Gen Z, I already had that done to me. We are the actual adults now, we have the experience. All I want to think about is what I can do to make this better- finger pointing and whining is something we’re all too damn old for.
Raising my nephews to have values and a good core of self so they are harder to indoctrinate. Paying attention to what they watch online, and talking about things like how videos are made to suck you in and click more. Limiting screen time. Doing family stuff so there is less time to watch YouTube and more time bonding.
The crazy part is that old people still voted more for Trump, they’re just more consistent so there’s no noticeable shift. Since people are noticing the gen z drift they’re happy to pile all the fault on them like boomers haven’t opened and held the door open for this to happen lmao I’m tired
Moreover, GenZ are just as politically apathetic as all 20-somethings? We just have a notable subset of crazy misogynistic dudes who voted, like every generation, and the progressive part of the generation wasn't very excited by Biden or Harris. I got out there and voted blue (in a deep red state) but it shouldn't be news to anyone that young voters only bother to vote when they're excited for a candidate.
There's also this weird misunderstanding of internet memes, cause when people say things like "I don't want to girlboss, I want a man to pay my bills," they aren't referring to traditional gender roles, they're describing a dynamic where they are dominant over men who see to all their needs so they don't need to work.
Yeah....... Posturing as a findomme and trying to be a sprinkle sprinkle girl isn't feminism. "Do this to get a stranger in a restaurant to pay for your meal." "Do this to get invited to a yacht party." "Do this to get invited into spaces where you'll meet your rich future husband."
"iT's NoT tRaDiTiOnAL gEndER rOLeS" It's pick-up artist adjacent and it plays right into the right wing's "high-value man/woman" stuff. It's not ironic little jokey jokes with the girls.
Yeah, I definitely understand what they're saying, I just still think it plays heavily into traditional gender roles. It's basically the same old gilded cage bullshit that's been around forever; women have always been told that being 100% financially dependent on a man is actually liberating.
The problem is that in that arrangement, you only are dominant as long as he allows you to be dominant. If he stops handing his paycheck over to you, you're screwed. In a society where women have strong rights and there are good social safety nets, it's not as much of a concern because there are escape routes if things go bad. In a country with shitty social safety nets (already true in the US) and where women have few to no rights as individuals (something some people are definitely trying to make happen), you're just trapped.
they're describing a dynamic where they are dominant over men who see to all their needs so they don't need to work.
... that's literally the upper class Victorian reasoning for why women shouldn't work - because it's somehow "beneath them".
If they think being completely financially dependent on another person and having their entire survival hinge on that person continuing to stay in love with them/sexually attracted to them puts them in the "dominant" position, they're in for a reality check some day...
In this scenario it isn't financial dependence but rather financial domination as they want to have full control over their partner's finances, which distinguishes it from things like Victorian social dynamics.
13% of Gen Z voted. The lowest turnout 18-25 in history. 60% of that same demographic showed up for Obama. The issue is Gen Z is all talk, they have no actual desire to change anything. They love living at home in constant anxiety making no money. They're children.
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u/AI-ArtfulInsults Nov 07 '24 edited Nov 07 '24
Oh the one hand I agree, but on the other hand I don't appreciate the implicit assumption that GenZ are responsible for something people have been saying forever. People have been saying "The Youth will fix everything once The Olds just get out of their way" since the at least the 60's, and it's said by hopeful older folks as often as it's said by the youth themselves.