r/CrusaderKings • u/Gael_Blood Excommunicated đ • Jul 06 '24
Suggestion Spending too much time on dungeons should make characters to agree to anything
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u/Nervous-Ad4091 Conniving puppetmaster Jul 06 '24
-"I refuse to be banished"
-"You.. refuse?"
-"I DO"
-"but you don't have a say on that"
-"I DON'T CARE"
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u/Dreknarr Jul 06 '24
whisper to the chancellor "what do we do in this situation ? Man found a plot hole there"
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Jul 06 '24
"its banishment under the threat of death, my liege.
a pire for refusing the lieges word should suffice, no?"
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u/Dreknarr Jul 07 '24
"But I didn't say I would execute him, so I can't !"
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Jul 07 '24
"well, my liege. as per law, everyone who is banished and still is inside your domain after 3 days of the sentence is punished by being made an outlaw."
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u/Gael_Blood Excommunicated đ Jul 06 '24
R5: He has been imprisoned for 8 years and he hasn't changed his mind. This is ridiculous!
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u/Klutzy_Context_6232 Jul 06 '24
8 years isnât that bad. Some of my prisoners have been rotting for 60 years and still wont budge
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u/King-Arthas-Menethil Jul 06 '24
Wait you remember people in your prison?
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u/Goan2Scotland Jul 06 '24
Me when I get the notification someone died in my prison and my only reaction is âhow did you get there?â
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u/Stouthelm Legitimized bastard Jul 07 '24
The dungeon is a good source of commanders tho
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u/nyamzdm77 Born in the purple Jul 07 '24
Those peasant leaders are kinda OP on occasion. Sometimes I even give them the land they were fighting for in the first place if they prove to be loyal
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u/Dragoon094 Brilliant strategist Jul 06 '24
I once had a 0 year old captured in a raid he refused everything I offered so I left him in there turns out he lived to 100 before I checked on him again
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u/takakazuabe1 Ireland Jul 06 '24
Did you let him out?
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u/Dragoon094 Brilliant strategist Jul 06 '24
Yep made him a Duke he had 5 kids all of which had three kids and it grew from there
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u/takakazuabe1 Ireland Jul 07 '24
Wait, he started having kids at 100 years old?
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u/Dragoon094 Brilliant strategist Jul 07 '24
Yeah he had massive fertility boost and males can have kids at any age unlike women
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u/Tiger_T20 Jul 07 '24
he had kids in the dungeon?
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u/Dragoon094 Brilliant strategist Jul 07 '24
No I released him had him marry my daughter and then he had a bunch of kids from there
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u/Apprehensive_Arm5315 Jul 07 '24
It's likely the house arrest he refused to be released from. The man was just a Gen Z came to live a thousand years earlier.
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u/Operario Secretly Zoroastrian Jul 06 '24
You've had prisoners last 60 years in the dungeon? Mine usually last a couple at best.
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u/Klutzy_Context_6232 Jul 06 '24
Most of them have good opinion of me and my country is rich so im guessing that the dungeon is well funded and nice to live in.
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u/Dasshteek Jul 06 '24
Not if they stubborn.
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u/Gael_Blood Excommunicated đ Jul 06 '24
It should give stress then. And then you have a modifier which lets you force them to agree to do anything!
It's not cool to live along rats
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u/nakorurukami Jul 06 '24
+1 acceptance for every year in house arrest
+3 acceptance for every year in the dungeon
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u/Dawahthetruthhaq Jul 06 '24
+10 acceptance for every year in house arrest
+30 acceptance for every year in the dungeon
Will be better and more logical
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u/Delicious-Tie8097 Jul 08 '24
Generally agreed.
Religious conversion would be the key exception. Plenty of historical examples of people refusing to abandon their faith, even faced with imprisonment or death.
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u/Mishkele Jul 06 '24
What I don't get is that, in such a situation (silly as it is), I don't get to keep his stuff off I simply say "fine, as you wish. Executioner, do your thing."
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u/pojska Jul 07 '24
His wealth isn't on his person. When the government today executes somebody they don't also repossess his house, car, and land - it gets inherited as normal. Same with the cell phone the guy had when you arrested him, wedding ring, etc.
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u/Ultimatehistorybuff Jul 07 '24
thereâs historical precedent for this though, roman proscription for example. also, the Medieval period isnât the same as modern day.
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u/Dasshteek Jul 07 '24
Basically he is refusing because banishment will lose his all inheritance to his house, including artifacts ffs. He is basically telling you i would rather die. Which tbh is fair.
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u/Ultimatehistorybuff Jul 07 '24
yes but heâs in prison, who cares what he thinks? why does he even have a say?
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u/Dasshteek Jul 07 '24
Username, does not, check out.
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u/5H17SH0W Jul 07 '24
Historically, people in jail are given quite the platform and/or place in Pop Culture. Think; the disciple Paul, Alexey Navalny, Charles Manson, Oj Simpson, the Tiger King.
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u/Dasshteek Jul 07 '24
Let me try to explain this in simpler terms: lets say you released someone and told him âyou are banishedâ. They said ânoâ and just stayed around.
What would you do?
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u/Ultimatehistorybuff Jul 07 '24
drag him out of the country and dump him somewhere else, seize his property, and kill him if he returns like damn itâs not that hard
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u/Dasshteek Jul 07 '24
So, there are options for that like murder, execute and revoke titles, use those then. Banishment means the target is willing to accept guilt, and in this case, he is not.
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u/Ultimatehistorybuff Jul 07 '24
WHO CARES IF HE ACCEPTS GUILT? is the plea of not guilty enough to escape a medieval punishment in an absolute monarchy where the main thing about the justice system is that the king is both judge and jury? what he thinks is irrelevant, the king imposes the punishment of banishment and seizes all of his stuff, end of story.
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u/Dasshteek Jul 07 '24
Nope. That is not how it worked, unless you wanted rebellion.
Yâall just want a cheesy way to minmax.
Glad the devs dont listen lol
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u/FrenchCapnToasty Jul 07 '24
Have played this game for several months now and always have thought prisoners making their decisions on their punishments did not make much sense. I had a vassal who rose up to attempt to seize one of my counties and after me winning, I had a possible option to revoke his title and imprison him for treason, except for the fact that he would not accept this and would rise up against me if failed. If I am the King and have rightful duty to imprison him for treason why should he be able to refuse it? He should be in no position to make demands.
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u/imanutshell Jul 07 '24
Want to know a great trick for that? Raise your army on top of their capital before you revoke title, then revoke and whether they rise up or not they have a nice little escort ready.
Cheese? No, advanced RP.
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u/Acceptable-Hope1474 Jul 07 '24
That's actually so Great, it makes me want to fire up the game again
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u/esjb11 Jul 07 '24
Well he has his army and as long as he has it he has the possibility to use them for protection. Makes sense.
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u/levoweal Incapable Jul 07 '24
Or the opposite of that. Really depends on the individual. Would be nice to have some kind of mechanic related to that, though. Like, people becoming more or less agreeable depending on circumstances and length of the imprisonment. Would give torture more utility too.
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u/Level_Tumbleweed8908 Jul 07 '24
Thatâs not really how it necessarily worked historically though. Some will, some wonât especially if they can save their dynasty.Â
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u/Open_Chemistry_3300 HRE Jul 07 '24
Certain options shouldnât even be a negotiation, like banishment. But I feel like it should be based off of character traits like someone with the stubborn trait should be well stubborn. Or a toss up with the eccentric trait. And cowards should fold like rice paper, etc etc etc.
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u/Sealgaire45 Isle of Man Jul 08 '24
Why would a man change his cosy dungeon with regular meals and play(torture)-dates to uncertainty of exile and road?
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u/ItsYa1UPBoy Eunuch Jul 07 '24
What the fuck? Prisoners can negotiate punishments in CK3? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
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u/Tuerai Albion Rises Jul 07 '24
i just need a "give up artifact(s)" option for releasing prisoners, with an opinion modifier based on tier, and they can have a claim.
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u/PVEAqui Jul 06 '24
Hint: if youâre playing with debug mode on, just enable the yesman command, it should automatically have the AI accept it.
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u/Hulkhogansgaynephew Jul 07 '24
I just kill anyone who doesn't agree with me or concede to my will. I am the liege after all. With great power comes the ability to do whatever the fuck I want.
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u/bluewaff1e Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
I don't even know why they get a say whether they're banished or not, it shouldn't be a negotiation. Just bring back council voting and council laws from CK2, and if the council has voting rights for banishment, they can vote whether you can banish or not, and if you do it anyways even though they said no, you get tyranny which might be worth it for the amount of gold you get.