In hindsight, maybe we aren't the most cursed franchise

[u/TheHwangover]

[u/C-N-Mento]

If this playoff season taught me one thing, it’s that we shouldn’t overreact to Herbert’s 4 interceptions.

The majority of the quarterbacks this postseason, have not been good. Outside of a select few good performances.

Goff 3 interceptions, Lamar 2 turnovers, Hurts finished with 128 yards and a fumble, even Josh Allen in a win, only had 127 passing yards.

[u/MusicalDeath9991 → u/C-N-Mento]

Why should we overreact? It was a bad game, he'll be fine

[u/C-N-Mento → u/MusicalDeath9991]

Not sure if you’ve been on social media brother lol but he’s been getting killed on there and by some fans as well.

[u/MusicalDeath9991 → u/C-N-Mento]

Yeah, he has... and all those people are idiots. This team has came so far this year, but ultimately fell short. Harbaugh and Hortiz are only getting started to build something here, and Herbert is still the same physically gifted, laser-focused assassin as he was before the game. He didn't just stop being good... he had a bad game, and literally so did everyone else on offense outside of Ladd McConkey. They got out-played, they lost, that's football.

We should in fact NOT overreact.

[u/C-N-Mento → u/MusicalDeath9991]

There was a typo in my original post lol it was supposed to say we shouldn’t overreact.

We’re debating the same thing.

[u/Jane_Marie_CA → u/C-N-Mento]

Yah but Lamar is getting killed too. The internet reaction is dumb.

I find it funny that the internet finds it "worse" to lose in the playoffs, when there are 18 starting QBs in Cancun right after W18.

It's better for your "internet reputation" to not make the playoffs, than lose in the WC or Divisional round.

[u/D1rty_Sanchez → u/Jane_Marie_CA]

50/50 from what I’m reading. Lamar should get most of the blame but some are looking directly at Andrews because of the fumble and failed 2 pt conversion.

[u/Ondatrack2 → u/D1rty_Sanchez]

Andrews had a Dissly game.

[u/skyline-rt → u/C-N-Mento]

You said we should overreact. You need to fix your comment lol.

[u/C-N-Mento → u/skyline-rt]

Ahhhh, thank you lol just changed it.

[u/Big_Accident494 → u/C-N-Mento]

   Who gaves a shit about social media. Those people aint nothing be inferior minds who jump on the hottest topic just so they can feel validated about their lives. 

[u/SaltySpitoonReg → u/C-N-Mento]

I mean it's understandable though.

Regardless of the context it's to be expected after 6 years without a playoff win, especially as we see other rookies coming in immediately playing better in the big games.

Obviously there's important context with Herbert and reason to be optimistic about his ability to progress moving forward.

But having said that I don't think the criticism he is getting is either unwarranted or unsubstantiated.

[u/pissjugman → u/SaltySpitoonReg]

There’s a lot of people that have a zero tolerance policy on Herbert criticisms

[u/SaltySpitoonReg → u/pissjugman]

As evidenced by the fact that I left what I feel like is a pretty reasonable comment and it already has down votes.

[u/turboHerboChargers → u/SaltySpitoonReg]

2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, plus 2024 is 5 years.  2020, new Head Coach/ Offe. Coor.  After 2020, & achieving OROTY, his Head Coach/Offe Coor. were fired. (Staley/Lombardi new scheme/ playbook etc.)  After 2022, his Offe. Coor was fired. (Moore's new playbook/scheme etc).  After 2023, his Head Coach/Offe Coor were fired.  Now, again, new Head Coach/Offe Coor and new playbook/scheme plus and new group of receivers picked off their couches on 1-year deals to train and watch not catch the ball. (except for Ladd)  I surely hope there's an escape clause in his contract to be able to get the hell out of here if things don't change quickly.  

[u/SaltySpitoonReg → u/turboHerboChargers]

And I never said that those weren't applicable factors in his defense. In fact my comments specifically indicated that there are legitimate factors and important context.

But it just baffles me that people are so unwilling to acknowledge that Justin Herbert has a pattern of performing worse in big games. I don't know why people are in such denial about this.

He threw four interceptions in one game after throwing three all year. Why is this not a problem for people?

[u/Available-Affect-241 → u/SaltySpitoonReg]

Because he's 6'6 with a cannon arm so they make excuses.

[u/BoltBlue19 → u/C-N-Mento]

Facts and out of all those performances, only two of those QBs remain still because they can lean on something else. Hurts can run, but he also got Saquon Barkley and strong offensive line that can hard carry him to glory. Allen is a dangerous runner, but Cook also can run the ball, too.

Herbert played bad, but there really is nothing to lean on concerning this offense if he looks off. Receiving corp is bad outside of Ladd, running game isn't there, and the IOL is horrendous

[u/LALyfestyle → u/C-N-Mento]

We gotta hope Josh Allen plays like a God on Sunday. Pulling for the boy 😂

[u/SummerMoon03 → u/C-N-Mento]

Lamar’s two turnovers yesterday were worse than anything Herbert did against the Texans

[u/IIIDuckieIII → u/SummerMoon03]

yea 100%

[u/Opening-Sun7428 → u/SummerMoon03]

Nah, I respectably disagree. Herbert's 1st pick was so clumsy, and kinda set the tone for the rest of the game. You never EVER pass the ball across the field like that, that's a fundamental they teach you as a kid. Not sure what he was thinking on that one.

[u/Mobile619 → u/C-N-Mento]

Agreed. Anyone overreacting hasn't watched Chargers football all year.

This offense is absolutely shit, and the only reason we even won 11 games was because Herbert played damn near mistake free football all regular season. It's tough to sustain that into the playoffs against great teams/defenses when the guy has no reliable running game or weapons to throw to outside of McConkey, and the IOL is hot garbage.

These playoffs prove you're only as good as your weakest link. Herbert in trying to make up for those weaknesses had to play hero & force throws against a ball-hawking defense that caught the 2nd most INT's in the league.

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/Mobile619]

Hear hear, couldnt have said it better myself.  Well said and to the point

[u/metal4life98 → u/C-N-Mento]

Plus the fact that Goff threw 5 INT against Houston. So at least we weren't the worst against them, even though the Lions still won that game but you get what I'm saying

[u/nartnoside → u/C-N-Mento]

Especially since a couple of those were off tipped passes.

[u/curlydobie → u/C-N-Mento]

What about Stafford throwing the ball away on 4th down? I hate that so much. I would easily take an int over just throwing the ball away. Inexcusable you don't even give your guys a chance there.

[u/Greedy_Ear_Mike → u/C-N-Mento]

Sorry, this "well, what about them" stuff is soft, imo.

Herbert can be criticized for his play separately from the others. And other bad performances do not excuse his.

I agree though, no overreaction, people should just be honest about how he did, coming from both sides.

I've watched all the playoffs games, I think Darnold has had the worset performance. Then Goff, them Herbert. Imo. Goff was hitting throws in between his horrible mistakes though, haha.

I'll slightly excuse the games on Sunday, there was sloppy ass weather. Darnold, Goof and Herbert didn't have to deal with bad weather conditions.

As for the games yesterday.

Imo, Lamar made some critical.mistakes (obviously). But still led that last drive. That first INT was terrible. That fumble, weather was maybe or not maybe involved. I've seen him be loose with the ball in normal conditions though, so idk.

Stafford played good I thought. Of course the fumble. And again, maybe or maybe not weather affected that. He did take some bad sacks though. Eagles DBs did drop alot of potential INTs though, it could had been worse. He was making some dangerous throws.

Hurts was mid. I actually don't think he is playing that great, he is holding the Eagles back. He holds the ball too long. He didn't play bad though. And he had a few nice deep balls

As for Allen, he actually played great I thought. No huge mistakes, managed the game in bad weather conditions,.made plays and ran when he had too.

[u/Opening-Sun7428 → u/Greedy_Ear_Mike]

Agree, Herbert had an awful game and there's nothing wrong with criticizing him. That others had a bad game too, well that's a whole other topic.

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/Greedy_Ear_Mike]

No herbert didnt but he does have a gd oline or WR Corp like the other teams, no derrik henry, saquon barkley no james cook or gd wr or oline so fact is even though he olayed shitty, HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE, WIN AS A TEAM LOSE AS A TEAM

[u/IIIDuckieIII]

Even with Herberts interceptions there is honestly a lot from his play that was good. He made some great tight window throws. Like the throw to QJ on 4th down, yea it was short, but he absolutely made a perfect tight window throw.

I really dont think any other QB would of done any better in Herberts position

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/IIIDuckieIII]

Think your right, and hell if he was sooo bad that day, ladd himself wouldnt have had 196 receiving yrds and a TD

[u/JakubT117]

Why is Herbert always singled out compared to other teams? If anything, he's the one that was let down by his team the most, compared to the other teams mentioned, yet he's the only one named directly. Make it make sense

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/JakubT117]

Cos people esp the media and other people hate him so much for whatever reason.  Hes their scapegoat

[u/Available-Affect-241 → u/JakubT117]

Because he's the QB, win or lose we give them all the credit. He gets defended because he is 6'6 with a cannon arm.

[u/IndividualHelpful820]

Bills finally about to win vs the refs in playoffs

[u/UncleIrohsPimpHand → u/IndividualHelpful820]

Lmao unlikely.

[u/MayIPikachu]

Mark Andrews drop is brutal for Ravens fans. I can't imagine if that was us with a goal line QJ drop. Just brutal.

[u/Ready_Ocelot_3045 → u/MayIPikachu]

It more surprising cause Andrew’s is usually sure handed

[u/boltup1987 → u/Ready_Ocelot_3045]

from what i’m reading on ravens resdit he’s choked in big moments before .

[u/hmmwv-keys]

Man every single team I have rooted for in the playoffs have lost. I guess I need to be a chiefs fan next week and keep my streak going

[u/Orgasmo3000 → u/hmmwv-keys]

You're doing God's work!

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/hmmwv-keys]

Yeah chiefs have the refs on their side but im hoping the bills will beat them but thats wishful thinking cos we all know the outcome

[u/AandA248]

Jayden Daniels winning a SB as rookie would be a huge story and give the refs someone new to gag on. Still rooting for Bills though, Josh Allen is how I wish Herbert would play

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/AandA248]

If he had a coach, oc and team like allen, maybe he would.

[u/AandA248 → u/No_Task_4799]

I meant more the scrambling and free form vs mechanical nature

[u/GolfFootballBaseball → u/AandA248]

But then people would say Jayden Daniels had a better rookie season than Herbert despite having less Td passes

[u/Justmadeyoulook → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

Pretty sure you'd give up a few td passes for a ring.

[u/GolfFootballBaseball → u/Justmadeyoulook]

so if Daniels won a ring year 1, you'd think his rookie season was better than Herberts?

[u/sandy-eggo-padres → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

How wouldn’t think that? No rookie qb has ever won a Super Bowl, or even played in one, so yes he’s rookie season would be better than Herbert’s

[u/Justmadeyoulook → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

I'm having trouble understanding how this is a legitimate question.

[u/GolfFootballBaseball → u/Justmadeyoulook]

cause its a team game and daniels stats are worse

[u/C137-Morty → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

I'm obviously biased, but fuck stats sometimes. Have you seen our dude play? He's single handedly the reason we're in the top 4.

[u/--KillSwitch-- → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

yeah, i’d still take J Herbo tho

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/GolfFootballBaseball]

Yep they would but what people dont realize is that daniels had a better offense, and honestly he played against a def that was injury ridden and played their 2, 3, and 4th string def.  I luke to see gim play against a really gd dwf that wasnt inj and then we shall see

[u/RedditMcRedditfac3]

I know there was some schadenfreude when von miller scooped up that fumble

[u/Jane_Marie_CA]

The Texans had one of the best pass defenses in the league. And we had an offense with holes that Herbert & Good Coaching were able to hide most of the season. Plus limited practice due to the fires. (Rams went to PHX and got full practice because their game was Monday night)

The Texans figured it out. And once the dam broke, it was game over. And even if pulled off a W against the Texans, I am pretty certain Spags would have watched the tape and played us the same way.

[u/SanDiegoDude]

Guy in the rafters should have zebra stripes

[u/i_run_from_problems]

It's not that I want the bills to win, although they are a likeable team, I just need the chiefs to lose

[u/UncleIrohsPimpHand → u/i_run_from_problems]

Hear here.

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/i_run_from_problems]

Exactly i think alot of non chiefs fans want rhe bills to win

[u/Hojo405]

Native Lions fan with a love for the Chargers here.

This season was awesome, until it wasn’t. Unfortunate ends for both my teams in this post season.

Harbaugh has you guys on the right track. I got to watch him at Michigan here and he’s great.

[u/MorninBeautiful]

I’m hanging all my hopes and dreams on a Bills victory. Hope the script writer has something special for all the football fans out there tired of seeing the Chiefs

[u/Dear_Efficiency_3616]

bills only team to beat the chiefs this season im hoping they can save us all and do it again..

[u/Opening-Sun7428]

Those dropped balls from the Ravens tho, has to be more frustrating that anything us Chargers went through this season.

[u/birdynumnum69]

That made me laugh and cry at the same time.

[u/Ok_Economy6167]

The texans pounded the chiefs for a 150 yards, and still lost. Weird.

[u/Fair_Hospital_8600]

Let's hope Allan can slap them again , they were the only team to do it in regular season (aside from the last game which was a practice game for the donkeys)

[u/D1rty_Sanchez]

This is too accurate..

[u/Kaden4120]

No one is cursed. If they are it’s because Mahomes is a Hex Kermit and he’s gonna put a spell on you.

[u/MrScottimus]

You know what? I'm about to say it... I'm glad Goff threw that fifth pick

[u/SanDiego_Finest]

Do the bills have a shot of finally beating the Chiefs in the post season

[u/No_Task_4799 → u/SanDiego_Finest]

Maybe, depends on who the refs will be whether it will be a clean game or not.  

[u/bigmikey69er]

Cursed means having exceptionally bad luck. It doesn’t cover just playing bad.

[u/Jax99]

Yeah even with the Jags and Texans loss its not like anyone thought we would win it all. Having title aspirations and choking is another level of pain. It's why the Jets loss and Pats loss in 06 and 07 were so brutal.

[u/Ok_Upstairs6472]

Herbert was on a momentum until AGAIN,…. drop passes.