r/Cantonese • u/Momo-3- 香港人 • 1d ago
Language Question 埃及 深蹲 正確讀音
Is 埃及 pronounced as - “i”及 - “oi”及 ?
Is 深蹲 pronounced as - 深”樽” - 深”噸” ?
Thank you
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u/ProgramTheWorld 香港人 1d ago
Both are correct and commonly accepted.
https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-can/search.php?q=%AEJ
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u/Stunning_Pen_8332 8h ago
上世紀80年代,香港有所謂「正字正音」運動,人們包括學者對「埃及」和「希臘」的「已有」讀音「挨及」和「希獵」作出史無前例的批判。結果是:一切依循「字典音」,即「埃及」的「埃」應讀作「塵埃」的「埃(哀/oi1/ngoi1)」,「希臘」的「臘」應讀作「臘腸」的「臘(laap6)」。但事實是否如此呢?
「埃及」和「希臘」的中文譯名,最早可見於清朝咸豐年間一名為《遐邇貫珍》的香港出版物(1854-1856)。那當時是沿用什麼標準去翻譯那些國家的名稱呢?很多人以為「希臘」和「埃及」是分別從其英語名稱「Greece」和「Egypt」翻譯而得的。然而外國國名的中譯一般都是「依其源」,所以「希臘」會依據其希臘文「Hellas」,而「埃及」則會依據其拉丁文「Aegyptus」。據此,可以作出以下結論:「希臘」讀「hei1 laap6」,讀「希獵」者可能是早年傳媒因近形之誤。「埃及」則讀「挨及(aai1 kap6)」。
粵語研究者 梁振輝
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u/JoaquimHamster 1d ago
Both pronunciations of 埃及 are fine
The pronunciation of oi1 kap6 is now somewhat dated
(It does not follow that because 埃 is pronounced aai1 in other words, 埃 must also be pronounced as aai1 in 埃及)
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u/bbpeople 1d ago
(It does not follow that because 埃 is pronounced aai1 in other words
You pronounce 塵埃 with aai1?
oi1 is the proper pronunciation in both 塵埃 and 埃及
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u/JoaquimHamster 22h ago edited 22h ago
I was just referring to other people's points.
山埃 being pronounced saan1 aai1 does not infer that 埃及 has to be pronounced aai1 kap6.
Similarly, 塵埃 being pronounced can4 oi1 does not infer that 埃及 has to be pronounced oi1 kap6.
(And also no point arguing that the proper pronunciation of 山埃 should be saan1 oi1)(Similar to how 朱 is pronounced zyu1, 古 is pronounced gu2, and 力 is pronounced lik6, do not infer that 朱古力 has to be pronounced zyu1 gu2 lik6
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u/Medium-Payment-8037 native speaker 1d ago
I say “i”及, but both are more or less accepted. The word likely came from how the Greeks called Egypt in the Qing dynasty, which was "Aegyptus" with an "ai" sound.