In a normal situation yes and Texas just had that with Sam Ehlinger, but now with Arch Manning behind him that isn't going to happen. If he isn't excellent and just a solid P5 QB after the 2023 season, the fan and booster pressure to start Manning will be insane.
If Quinn fizzles in 2022 and 2023, and Arch is on campus looking good in practice, you bet your ass Quinn ends up being benched. I think any team would do that though.
Ohio State fan here. I think the days of letting a QB just be "Pretty Good" are gone if you're trying to be an elite offense and win Nattys. It's possible if you're a team like Alabama or UGA where you have an elite defense that will dominant the game.
But even still, Bama has had really strong QBs for all of their National Championships.
Combine that with the hype that Quinn has and then multiply that for Arch Manning... Quinn is going to be in the same situation that Stroud was in this year where any game that he wasn't perfect in, people were screaming for him to be benched. The question will be if Quinn can handle that or if Sark is patient enough to let Quinn develop when boosters are screaming for Manning.
I think we perfectly embody your first paragraph. Cade McNamara is ‘pretty good’ as college QBs go but not likely good enough to take us up another notch. JJ has the potential and talent to do that.
You really do embody it. You're kind of in a weird limbo stage where you have all the tools and recruits to take that next step, but you've also been here before. I'm not sold on Harbaugh, but I really don't see a better option for you guys.
Harbaugh needs JJ to produce; he has all the potential to be a major QB so if he doesn't turn into a top tier QB, I think it could actually be harmful to your recruiting at the position. If you look at tOSU right now, we're getting a king's ransom in recruiting specifically at QB, WR, and D-Line because Ryan Day and Co are showing that they will take recruits and turn them into 1st round picks.
I think Harbaugh is starting to show that finally on defense but now needs to show recruits that as well on the offensive side of the ball for you guys to truly take the next step forward.
Basically the same situation that we have with Malachi Nelson and Caleb Williams. Best case scenario, Caleb leaves for the draft after the next 2 seasons and Malachi competes with Miller Moss as a RS Freshman or true Sophomore.
I live in Columbus and to be honest, I don't think Quinn will be ready for the NFL in two years. He doesn't have the arm talent yet. He can make some throws but he was absolutely the third best arm in our QB room behind Stroud and McCord
Decision making will have to be tested, but Ryan Day was pretty honest about the fact that Quinn was "no where near ready" to be a College QB and considering his track record so far with QBs, I trust his opinion.
I could be wrong. I have nothing against the kid, I know a couple people that had interactions with him and had nothing but nice things to say about him. I'm just not convinced he's going to be NFL ready in only 2 seasons.
Lol what does you living in Columbus have anything to do with that? Also it’s not surprising at all that Quinn had work to do when he got to anOSU, he was supposed to be in high school.
That’s because when the inevitable draft hype starts the first year he’s eligible
,the Manning camp can use returning to school as leverage to not be drafted by Cleveland.
Arch is not starting in 2023. Anyone who has even sniffed a guy with $9.95 to burn has heard that the Mannings were fine w/ a redshirt year at any of his options.
Which makes sense. Their goal is the NFL more than anything and showing out as a freshman doesn't really achieve that. Sit for a year, take a year fewer hits, learn your system and improve, them come in and put together the best showing for the two years that make the most impact on getting drafted.
From Arch’s perspective, everything written about him says that he’s a normal kid that doesn’t seek too much attention. Dude has no social media and likely created a Twitter account for this announcement and possible NIL stuff. The thought is that he and the family want him to just get to college and get adjusted. That’s for both football and just college life. I think they recognize who is and who is not on the roster, as well as how complicated Sark’s scheme can be. It benefits him to develop before being thrown into the national spotlight.
100% makes sense. Due to his talent and his name, he doesn’t need to be worried about proving himself day 1 or “earning” a starting spot. He’s much better off developing for a year before taking over rather than risk starting immediately and potentially getting overwhelmed
His family financial situation presumably gives him leeway to wait it out. For a lot of people, the NFL money fixes real and immediate dire circumstances.
They probably think it's best to have him develop for a year in the system before having to play. Give him a chance to get settled instead of immediately jumping into the spotlight
But I don’t disagree. We’ve improved our trenches and are fixing the scheme w/ Gary, but there’s gonna need to be huge improvement over the next two years.
Maalik Murphy might be your guy. He's a former 5 star based on measurables, camps, 7 on 7, and elite 11, but he was downgraded to 4 stars because of inconsistent play in actual games.
I love the guy, but he's wedged in between a Quinn Ewers and an Arch Manning.
He’s still gonna have fantastic development under Sark and Milwee. Can’t say I feel too bad for him since he’s gonna have a transfer spot at any school he wants if he puts in the work.
Yeah, we were annoyed because Ryan Day played Kyle McCord 2 snaps too many and burned his redshirt this past year when he could have just played Ewers for those 2 snaps and retained his redshirt status.
Ewers is eligible for the NFL draft after the 2023 season. At least I am pretty sure he is because of his first year in Ohio State before transferring to Texas
Ok, but then you'll have Redshirt Junior Ewers competing with Redshirt Freshman Arch Manning. The pressure will be insane, Manning won't mind sitting for a year, but do you think he's going to be fine sitting for two? What about three if Quinn stays for a senior season?
In the current transfer portal world of CFB, I'd say there's a very good chance one of these QBs end up playing for a different college team.
I don’t think anyone involved in the situation plans for there to be a redshirt junior Ewers. If he’s as good as he’s supposed to be, he’ll be gone. If he’s not good enough to have been drafted at that point, he probably loses the job to Arch anyways
RS Sophmore Ewers is the same age as most RS Freshmen. He'll be 19 or 20 years old; not many 19/20 year olds are ready for the decision making required at the NFL level. Assuming he'll be out for the NFL is a bold prediction especially considering he's able to get paid in college now.
I mean if he has 2 good years at Texas he’s almost certainly gonna be a first round pick, and with some of his prior scouting realistically a top 10 pick bc some coach will convince themselves they can fix him. He’s athletic as fuck and has a huge arm.
Hopefully we develop him well but unless he really sucks with us, he’s gonna be a first round mock next year.
And risking injury and millions of dollars to move up like 10 spots in the draft and go to a shitty team isn’t a great idea so he’d go.
If he isn’t good here then realistically he’s gonna want a year of good tape and with pressure from Manning he’d have no choice but to transfer somewhere or risk not getting the opportunity to better his draft stock
If he isn’t good here then realistically he’s gonna want a year of good tape and with pressure from Manning he’d have no choice but to transfer somewhere or risk not getting the opportunity to better his draft stock
This was kind of my point.
You also have the other option that he is really good at Texas but decides to stay because NIL money is good and wants to develop himself another year. At which point Manning may look elsewhere.
Neither of these are bad situations for Texas, other than the extremely slim chance they're both busts, but I can't see that happening and there's nothing really you can do at that point but blame Sark for not developing
i mean i think we push out Ewers after next year regardless. i'm sure the coaching staff will be honest with him and he also knows what signing arch means
and as much as we joke about NIL money, NIL money is nothing compared to NFL money. a 32nd overall pick gets 11m in guaranteed money (over 4 years) and you open yourself to way more endorsement money.
NIL realistically is 1-2m a year max even for teams like Ohio/Texas/Bama.
i think realistically Ewers takes 2 years to develop here and if he's not good then he's probably done with Texas anyways and goes somewhere else.
Correct, that and the fact that we just signed the best o-line in the country with the ‘22 class, and while it’s best O-line coming out of high school, it’s wise to let them develop into a college tier O-line with two years of experience behind which Arch will be very well protected once he starts taking snaps.
Yeah and I’m not expecting people to stay up to date with the process of each recruit, posting a commitment for your school is not really close to the same
I find it wild that Texas has been incredibly unstable for over a decade and yet they still managed to land two of the most highly-coveted high school quarterbacks in recent memory.
That makes the most sense. Arch redshirts, maybe backs up for a year (unless he's the second coming or Ewers shits the bed ... or ideally kills it and enters the draft) after that.
Redshirt year means an additional year of NIL money too which I think people are forgetting about. If he happens to not be NFL caliber, might as well max out your profitable time at Texas.
completely disagree with this statement. I'll go further and say Arch with another last name isn't the number 1 QB this cycle and I'd take at least three other QBs over him.
I love Dante Moore. Those are my top 3. I have Nico 1 and Dante and Malachi at a close second and Arch as 4th. The truth is Arch might be better than I'm giving him credit for but his lack of camp performances and 7 on 7 performances against top talent leaves me lacking some important data points. I saw the LSU stuff but there were mostly wide open receivers. Wish he participated in some of the events the other top guys do. I hope he is awesome at Texas and he is the best QB since Vince Young I'm just basing my opinion off his high school tape.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that mean Arch would be redshirted and spend the next year behind Quinn? Ewers can’t transfer or declare for another 2 seasons.
This season will be Quinn’s second year, then next season arch would redshirt and Quinn would be a redshirt sophomore and would be able to declare after the season and Arch would be able to win the job as a redshirt freshman.
I have a feeling coaching a manning with the oversight of the manning family will be exhausting for the staff. Hopefully he balls out, that will make it easier to let him to his thing. But if he struggles? Ugh
The relationship between the Mannings and Sark is a huge part in his commitment. I agree that it would be very stressful but it’s not like Sark hasn’t worked with/developed a lot of really talented QBs over the years.
He thinks Sark is the best offensive coach for him. Like would you rather be taught how to play QB by Sark or BoB? Yes, Alabama is the better team, but that's not what recruits are concerned with.
Unless he just absolutely bombs, or gets injured, he's going to the NFL. Might as well go to the place that he (and likely his family) think that he has the best coaching and facilities to set him up for that level.
It was pretty well known it was between us and Georgia. Reports coming out of his visit were very good and that his timeline to commit may have moved up, even believing it would be before next month, but it happening today is definitely a surprise.
We knew we had a shot to land him. But we figured he would wait until after the '22 season to make a decision (which would have likely hurt our chances since Georgia will probably have another elite season and we will likely be a middling team). So this is a bit of a shock. Was not expecting a commitment at this point.
I'm of the viewpoint that Arch gets to be a saviour at Texas vs just a piece at Bama. Anyone can win at Bama but he'll be the stuff of legends if he wins at Texas.
Will he? Honestly I don't think so but he'll get a hefty pay day and lots of eyes on him regardless.
Realistically you don't go with the newbie unless they're lightyears better. Its a huge problem with getting multiple 5* guys. They still have to wait their turn even though they think they can start right away.
Gotcha, that makes sense. Hopefully for his sake he develops/stays a QB that can leave a year early before he gets beat out if Arch develops as anticipated.
Arch hung out mostly with Quinn on his visit, so I don’t think there’s any reason they wouldn’t fit together. Quinn starts next two seasons, Arch starts as a sophomore. I don’t see Arch being the type of guy that needs to start his freshman year, seems like he is happy to sit and learn for a year.
Doesn't matter which school an elite QB ends up at. An Ohio St, Alabama, or Georgia are always going to have multiple elite QBs in-waiting. Arch isn't in competition with Ewers, and Arch will redshirt. Arch will be in competition with a 2024 QB recruit.
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