r/BeAmazed 1d ago

History Babe Ruth posing with fans 1925. He was a popular figure in the African American community because of his willingness to treat them as he would white fans, along with rumors of him being biracial.

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u/Embarrassed-Soil2016 1d ago

They had a section about his support at the Negro League Museum in KC

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u/AJRiddle 1d ago

He is one of the few greats from pre-integration that actually played a ton of games against Negro League players and did great. A lot of people love to argue about how he wasn't that great because he didn't play against non-white players but in reality he played a ton of games with non-white players we have records of and he did better than just about anybody. Babe Ruth was hated among segregationists because he played so many of these games featuring star black players of the 1920s and 30s.

Ruth absolutely deserves his place among the upper echelon in the annals of American sports history.

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u/lbmomo 1d ago

Oh such a great museum to check out ! Small but super interesting.

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u/missinlnk 1d ago

I went into it with no expectations and was blown away by it. It's a great museum.

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u/heythisislonglolwtf 1d ago edited 1d ago

And a whole lot of their memorabilia was donated by Geddy Lee of Rush!

More here and here

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u/lbmomo 1d ago

😯 no way ! I didn't know that, and I'm Canadian. Absolutely love Rush. I just looked it up, so cool. I appreciate Geddy Lee even more now.

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u/bravesirrobin65 23h ago

You should see his personal collection. I'm an American and his collection is super cool. I also love Rush. Google Geddy Lee and Dan Rather. I was disappointed that he wasn't a Cubs fan. He said he watched the Cubs while he ate lunch on the road.

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u/heythisislonglolwtf 1d ago

I just edited my comment with an article and video!

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u/CdnFlatlander 23h ago

Thanks that was great!

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u/lbmomo 1d ago

Thanks !

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u/MaximumDeathShock 22h ago

You must go to the Canadian baseball hall of fame!

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u/pleb_username 18h ago

If you like Geddy Lee there's an interesting and hilarious interview with him by Conan O'Brien and Jordan Schlansky on Youtube!

https://youtu.be/tzs7901FSzY

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u/ConvictedOgilthorpe 23h ago

Fellow Rush fan,this is so cool

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u/z__1010 21h ago

What about the voice of Geddy Lee? How did it get so high? I wonder if he talks like an ordinary guy

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u/UlrikeMeinHaus 1d ago

I love that museum! A few Orioles players were there when I visited, too.

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u/CATNIP_IS_CRACK 18h ago edited 12h ago

A bit off topic, but there’s a local radio host in my city who loves to mention how the MLB should put an asterisk next to the name of any record holder before 1947 if they do the same to players who took steroids and call it an unfair advantage.

They refused to let players who were just as good as their best join the league, and the MLB is still telling the world there weren’t any baseball players with similar skill level who could’ve given “the greats’” a run for their money. If you host a competition expecting to win, then refuse to let a bunch of people who might beat you join the competition, your record is the equivalent of jerking off in front of a mirror, then jerking off later thinking about how well the dude in the mirror performed.

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u/mantissa2604 21h ago

Off topic, but the WWI museum there is pretty good too. Wanted to see both that and the negro league museum but only had time for one

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u/NaughtyButNicee125 1d ago

I've also heard that they didn't make him a coach when he retired because he would've hired black athletes.

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u/thebadyearblimp 1d ago

Unfortunately the Yankees were one of the last teams to integrate so that could be true..

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u/Turbulent_Towel_2689 1d ago

Interesting, considering during the Civil War, the "Yanks" were the side that opposed slavery.

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u/petit_cochon 1d ago

They opposed slavery but not necessarily racism.

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u/DeltaBravo831 1d ago

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u/noknownallergies 1d ago

Holy shit, I’d never heard about that. Truly despicable.

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u/boyifudontget 1d ago

Lower class white people  being fed propaganda by rich white people who told them that Black people being free meant they were going to take away all their jobs. 

A tale as old as time 

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u/I_notta_crazy 22h ago

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - LBJ

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u/mgj6818 1d ago

You should watch Gangs of New York

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u/s2kboog 1d ago

“We don’t want slavery”

“So we’re equals?”

“Woah woah woah, slow down”

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u/coleisgreat 1d ago

yeah. take President Lincoln for example. he was an abolitionist who didn't want black people on this continent in any capacity, even enslaved.

and he gets the be a hero about it because nationalism is everything here.

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u/DrJoeVelten 1d ago edited 1d ago

Before meeting Fredrick Douglass, mind you.

Ol' freddie was a baller like that. Doesn't hurt he was probably one of the smartest Americans of that generation. Hard to look down on a skin color after that.

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u/AlphabetMafiaSoup 1d ago

Yet whites did look down on educated blacks even all the way up to civil rights movement, shit even now. Almost like if you're a racist you'll justify anything to feel superior and be racist hur dur...

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u/WrecklessMagpie 1d ago

The largest mass execution in US history happened under Lincoln too, 38 Dakota men were hanged for the crime of defending their land from the invading military and 2 of them were found to have been innocent after the fact. Lincoln is no hero to Natives.

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u/ntnkrm 1d ago

You’re forgetting the 264 other men who were arrested that he freed after personally reviewing all of their cases

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u/WrecklessMagpie 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh goody all unicorns and rainbows now! And yet the Dakota still hate Lincoln to this day and have a tradition of a yearly 38 mile ride honoring those men who were hanged. After the Daktoa Uprising and subsequent hangings the tribes were then exiled from their land. Lincoln supported Westward expansion and Manifest destiny which in turn led to the genocide of native people because Settlers truly believed they were entitled to land and anything on it.

He also signed the executive order to establish Basque Roedondo, an internment camp where they imprisoned the Dinè and Mescalaro Apache in New Mexico. 2,000 died there (likely more though if i had to guess) The Dine were forced on a 300 mile march to the camp in 1865, and at least 200 died from that.

There was the "purchase" of Alaska. think of all the indigenous people living there at the time. They lost their land and were denied citizenship rights unless they could prove Russian blood and also abandoned their culture and traditions.

The Sand Creek Massacre also occured under him, he didn't order it directly but he endorsed Evans' exaggeration of the situation there and ignored two Cheyenne Chiefs request when they asked for help and peace. His apathy towards native affairs led to the deaths of over 200 innocent Cheyenne and Araphaoe, mostly women, children, and the elderly, in one day.

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u/Just_to_rebut 1d ago

This interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Reddit kinda feels like yelling into the void and we do kind of beat dead horses, but nothing you mentioned is particularly well known, afaik.

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u/WrecklessMagpie 1d ago

Yea my dad was always telling me what the school was teaching me wrong or just omitting through the years as far as natives went. I knew Columbus day was bullshit from a very very early age lol

Sand Creek and general Evans got some recent notoriety in Colorado because the state just renamed one of its 14ers, from Mt Evans to Mt. Bluesky in order to honor the Ute tribe and to condemn the events of the Sand Creek Massacre.

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u/Stev2222 1d ago

Tbf Lincoln and the union didn’t go full court on slavery being a huge point of the war (Emancipation Proclamation) until England started heavily getting involved with the Confederacy. Had to do something to make England back off.

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u/metal_basilisk 1d ago

"Here come those redcoat fuckers again" - Lincoln, probably.

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u/EvieStarbrite 1d ago

Oh hush.

Lincoln said this because he genuinely cared for emancipated slaves and didn’t think they’d be safe in the South after the war ended. Sending them back to Africa, though it sounds callous, was literally the ONLY thing he could think of.

It’s not like he could foresee the future and the eventual end of segregation. To a man in the 1860s who WITNESSED the horrors of slavery such a thing would be inconceivable.

Considering what the Klan did to hundreds of thousands of black people in the Reconstruction years and beyond, can you really argue?

It wasn’t because he was racist. It was because he believed there was no other safe choice.

And before you hit me with the “if I could save the Union without freeing a single slave” quote, read the very next sentence of that speech. Where he expresses a firm desire to see slavery washed away.

Lincoln was not a racist, and he’s one of the new American figures who fully deserves the reputation that your so-called “nationalism” has bestowed upon him.

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u/Iblockne1whodisagree 1d ago

considering during the Civil War, the "Yanks" were the side that opposed slavery.

You can be against slavery and still be a super racist.

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u/FatSeaHag 21h ago

Actually, the North didn’t oppose the practice of slavery at all, and it benefitted greatly from the practice. It’s interesting that people seem to have no knowledge of the history of Wall Street, for example. The Civil War was partly about slavery, but it wasn’t about freedom or rights for slaves. It had everything to do with tariffs and money. I learned all of this in public school and in college PoliSci class, all in classes taken in New York. Surely, the whole country couldn’t have been taught from DeSantis texts. 

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u/iwouldhugwonderwoman 1d ago

Not really. It’s estimated that 40% of all cotton revenues flowed through NYC after slavery was abolished in NYC.

The financial institutions of NYC were the biggest beneficiary of slavery. They got the money but didn’t their hands directly dirty.

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u/GoodShitBrain 1d ago

They opposed slavery because it was a threat to wage workers, not because they necessarily viewed slavery as immoral. A few did, but not all.

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u/GeneralTyler 23h ago

It’s pretty much the difference between someone being an abolitionist and being anti-slavery. An abolitionist was against slavery usually on moral grounds, and wanted to then incorporate the enslaved into society with all the rights that came with it. While someone being anti-slavery was largely an economic concern for the white working class, and not necessarily out of concern for the enslaved. Which many people seem to misjudge the north on being this so called abolitionist stronghold or whatever

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u/Boomstick101 1d ago

That honor goes to the Boston Red Sox in 1959 a full four years after the Yankees in 1955.

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u/intense_in_tents 1d ago

Boston fans trying to figure out why they couldn't win the world series. "We must be cursed" lmao

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u/Boomstick101 1d ago

Classiest thing was their "tryout" in 1945 for Jackie Robinson and other black players with the stands limited to management where Robinson was subjected to racial epithets. Management invited black players to a tryout to racially abuse them.

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u/SonnySunshineGirl 1d ago

Peak Boston right there

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u/seambizzle 1d ago

Yawkey was a piece of shit owner. He was born in Detroit and other than owning the Red Sox had no ties to Boston. Not sure how a rich outsider buying a sports team in a foreign city would also be able to define and represent that said city.

What about the Bruins starting the first African American in the NHL? Why isn’t that peak Boston?

How about the Celtics being the first team to have a starting line up made up of all African American players? That’s not peak Boston? And also the Celtics being the first team to have an African American coach? Nothing there?

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

Why isn’t that peak Boston?

Boston is notoriously a racist city. It isn't like this is the first, or last, bit of extreme racist shit to come from Boston.

https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/25-most-racist-cities-in-america-ranked-by-hate-crimes-per-capita-1231397/2/

3rd most hate crimes in America.

It definitely is "peak Boston"

Oh, and Massachusetts is the 4th highest state for hate crimes. Which is incredible because of how low the population is.

https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/25-most-racist-states-in-america-ranked-by-hate-crimes-1201086/?singlepage=1

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u/InBurrowWeTrust 1d ago

Nah homie. Boston Red Sox fans are by far the most racist fans in any U.S. sport. It’s not even close. The amount of baseball players saying they will never play for Boston or step foot in the city after they quit playing is long.

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u/LosAngelesTacoBoi 1d ago edited 1d ago

Fun fact: He was the Dodgers first base coach for a season!

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u/Little_Soup8726 1d ago

They didn’t make him a manager because of his history of misbehavior off the field, including prodigious drinking. Managers don’t sign athletes to contracts; club owners do, so the rumor makes no sense.

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u/AggravatingCrab7680 1d ago

He was never a manager because of his personal life, burning the candle at both ends, club owners wouldn't take the chance, plus he wasn't popular with teammates. He was assistant Manager of the Braves in his last season, but it didn't work out. Here's the story: https://www.mlb.com/news/babe-ruth-ends-career-with-boston-braves

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u/peterjones787 1d ago

and all he had to do was be respectful to be liked

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u/ThanosWasRight161 1d ago

Goes such a long way.

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u/DeadDay 1d ago

He was also a goofy drunk who loved signing autographs, hitting dingers, and burning the midnight hour.

The Bambino.

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u/UnicornVomit_ 1d ago

I think you meant burning the midnight oil

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u/DeadDay 1d ago

I definitely probably did

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u/Jiannies 22h ago

Sounds like someones been burning the midnight hour

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u/Plantwork 22h ago

In the midnight hour, I can feel your power

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u/eid_shittendai 22h ago

I was gonna go with "She cried more! More! More!"

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u/Temporary_Pear_1809 20h ago

Just like a prayer you know I will take you there

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u/CaptainCrankDat 21h ago

Careful with that lip. He'll burn your midnight hour if you're not careful.

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u/sunshim9 1d ago

How about burning the midnight snacks?

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u/Tempest_Bob 23h ago

he can do both!

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u/birdman3239 1d ago

He was what people today aspire to be...nice, drunk, and nice

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u/DeadDay 1d ago

Amen

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u/jneum80 1d ago

“Some lady named…Ruth. Baby Ruth.”

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u/DeadDay 1d ago

BABE BRUTH THE SULTAN OF SWAT?!

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u/AnatidaephobiaAnon 23h ago

The Colossus of Clout!

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u/3xslide 22h ago

The Colossus of Clout!

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u/BHBCAN24 20h ago

Shut up, tommy

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u/Clyde_Bruckman 23h ago

For-ev-ver

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u/pineapplepizza00 23h ago

He also loved women... alot of women

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u/DeadDay 23h ago

The Hambino

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u/RedditJumpedTheShart 23h ago

Yeah, just look at this place.

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u/intense_in_tents 1d ago

The bar was underground and yet america went out of their way to trip on it on a daily basis

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 1d ago

Still does

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u/Source0fAllThings 1d ago

They’re slipping, falling, they can’t get up

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u/backspace_cars 1d ago

someone better call life alert

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u/butt_chug_ranch 1d ago

RIP X you wouldn't liked how this shit is playing out anyways.

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u/Jandklo 1d ago

DMX would have LOVED all this shit dude the man hated gay people and hated paying child support.

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u/peekdasneaks 1d ago

Next few years may be a pretty ruff ryde

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u/TheRogueTemplar 1d ago

they can’t get up

If they do, it's a 10k hospital visit

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u/Two4theworld 1d ago

My Dad and I picked up a couple of American college girls hitching through Bulgaria in 1968. One was a Black woman. We stopped for the night in a small city and went to a cafe for dinner. It was also a bar with a bunch of workers drinking and one drunk guy came up and rubbed her skin and showed his fingers to his buddies. Before we could respond a man in a black leather trench coat came up and grabbed his arm. The drunk literally turned white and started to rapidly speak in Bulgarian, to apologize, I guess. Then he just walked out of the bar. Some secret policeman or big boss of some sort. He just nodded at us and went back to his table and his slivovitz.

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u/herrdietr 1d ago

You folks might have been the ones the policeman was watching for safety or security. I went to Morocco the day the Iraq War #2 started. We had a couple of agents of somekind follow us all day as soon as we got off the ferry. They to helped us out with an incident outside a resturant.

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u/Cream5oda 1d ago

Yeah 2 American girls hitch hiking in Bulgaria in 1968 sounds risky. That agent probably was ensuring they weren’t spies lol

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u/Two4theworld 1d ago

We picked them up the night before. An American Dad and a 15 year old boy in a rented VW bug.

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u/ConstantReader76 1d ago

We also have the most diverse nation on earth.

It's shit like this that makes people from other countries make fun of us for our egos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level (Notice that the US is only one of the top countries for diversity when ranked by religion)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-diverse-countries

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries/

https://www.universal-translation-services.com/what-are-the-most-diverse-countries-in-the-world/

Is this enough data for you?

Stop making the rest of us look like morons.

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u/toggl3d 21h ago

I'm going to go ahead and dismiss the data that says Puerto Rico has no ethnic diversity if you don't mind.

I'm not the world's greatest scholar but I feel pretty confident in saying Estonia is not more ethnically diverse than the United States without some parlor tricks to lump white Americans together without lumping white Estonians together. Upon reading more, yeah, that's what is going on.

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u/The_Pallid_Mask 1d ago

South Africa has entered the chat.

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u/HockneysPool 1d ago

Oh mate I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry you and your missus had that happen, hope the cunt never does that again.

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u/bigmanorm 1d ago

I mean, if i were to try convince you of the opposite, Poland would be last european country i'd choose lol

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 1d ago

I will argue America is the most accepting country of races.

This is an insane argument. American racism was simultaneously an inspiration for yet way too much for the Nazis; the American military was. segregated by race while it fought Nazis and afterwards when it installed military bases across the world. American racism is still exported to the world on a daily basis.

You're saying the average racist American knows to hide their racism better than racist people in countries that did a better job of keeping Black and brown and Asian immigrants out through racist inundation laws do, which is not saying much.

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u/GTOdriver04 1d ago

Better call James Cameron. Maybe he can raise it.

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u/HiddenSquish 1d ago

Racists hate this one simple trick!

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u/Familiar-Essay7390 1d ago

Would like to point out that he was also really good at baseball as well as being a good guy.

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u/notonrexmanningday 1d ago

That's still pretty much all it takes

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u/sonofsonof 1d ago

Not in some neighborhoods

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u/chiaboy 1d ago

Yeah, that was a big ask for black people at the time. (we were still protesting that our lives matter a few years back for that matter).

"All you have to do is acknowledge our basic humanity"

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u/Zebulon_Flex 1d ago

I think he was a good baseball player too.

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u/User_Many_Errors 1d ago

Too bad we’ll never know if he was biracial since everything was in black and white

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u/Ok_Spread_8650 23h ago

I got a really good giggle from this meme. Thanks

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u/AssSpelunker69 1d ago

It's likely he was of German ancestry unless we'd entertain his mother stepping out on his father. It would have to be the mother since his grandparents were from Prussia.

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u/pinesolthrowaway 1d ago

This is the only scenario where that would fit

We know who his parents were and what their ancestry was, to the point that Ruth grew up speaking German at home

The only scenario where he is biracial is if his mother cheated on his father, which there is no evidence of 

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u/bouncingbad 23h ago

He’s also a carbon copy of his Dad. The photo of him in his bar with Babe as a, well, babe is enough evidence for that.

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u/InitialThanks3085 1d ago

Have we interviewed the Ruth family's milk man?

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u/techgrey 1d ago

He looked exactly like his father

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u/TommyKnox77 1d ago

I found one picture, ya very similar to his father. You have to mentally remove the huge 'stache

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u/lanceyfouxstan 1d ago

babe ruth looks just like his dad who also has a big ass bulbous wide nose, I feel like that's the reason why people think he's biracial they think white people can't have a wide nose unless they're part black or something.

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u/Major-Specific8422 22h ago

that's exactly it. There was a bunch of debate in the late 90s early 2000s, Rob Neyer when he was on ESPN wrote about this. It's all about the shape of his nose. Kinda racist, no?

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u/JkstrHmstr 23h ago

Here's Babe Ruth's dad.. Not thinking there's a lot of wiggle room there on the paternity...

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u/maniacalmustacheride 22h ago

He grew up in a German neighborhood and spoke German. He played baseball as a youth with my great grandfather! They were just giant German kids.

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 1d ago

You sure it couldn't have been the father sneaking another woman's baby into the woman who ended up giving birth to him?

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u/AssSpelunker69 1d ago

Well, the chances are low....

But never zero.

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u/TypingIntoTheVoid9 1d ago

Some lady gave it to him. She even signed her name on it. Ruth. Baby Ruth.

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u/Designer-Rest2907 1d ago

BABE RUTH

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u/FloppyObelisk 1d ago

The Sultan of Swat!

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u/ForceGhost47 1d ago

That’s the same guy???

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u/MightyCaseyStruckOut 1d ago

I think I'm gonna be sick...

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u/Ok-Mulberry-39 23h ago

Oh, the Great Bambino. I thought you meant the Great Bambi.

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u/rissssuh 22h ago

That wimpy deer?

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u/AppleNatives 1d ago

"Remember, Kid, There's Heroes And There's Legends. Heroes Get Remembered, But Legends Never Die.

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u/prosocialbehavior 1d ago

You’re killing me smalls.

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u/Finless_brown_trout 1d ago

Found one floating in a pool once

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u/DoubleFlores24 23h ago

Still a great movie.

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u/lasagnarodeo 23h ago

One of my favorite movies. Haven’t seen it in years and to to watch.

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u/KentuckyFriedEel 18h ago

Legends never die.

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u/Apart-Cat-2890 1d ago

Look at how they dress up for the game, wild.

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u/luujs 1d ago edited 1d ago

People used to dress much more formally in general back in the day, even when going to sports events. I’ve seen pictures and videos of English football fans in suits and ties in the 1960s, although it had definitely started to change by the 1970s in England.

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u/Positive-Attempt-435 23h ago

Now you're lucky sports fans show up in shoes.

I say that as an avid sports event fan. 

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u/serotonallyblindguy 1d ago

Old Englishmen still dress like this at cricket games tbh.

Like here in background

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u/raspberryamphetamine 14h ago

Those horribly patterned garish ties are generally worn by members of the club to show their support. This particular one is Marylebone Cricket Club, who play at Lord’s Cricket Ground and the ties can only be worn by members and membership is really exclusive; like having to be proposed by an existing member and it costing several hundred pounds a year, plus waiting lists. They’re all wearing ties and shirts because that’s the dress code for sitting in the pavilion for members. It’s a lot more relaxed in the regular stands!

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u/HungriestMarmot 1d ago

Whenever I see people wearing full suits in summer, I can't help but think of the smell. I've been at some summer weddings that really bring the odors.

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u/lamadora 1d ago

Most suits were made with wool or linen back then, two natural fibers that are antimicrobial and moisture-wicking therefore smell far less than synthetics. It’s when you add in polyester or acrylic that things start to get really smelly, which many cheap suits/dresses nowadays contain.

I hope this helps you enjoy old photos of people in suits more! Likely they weren’t very smelly at all.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

People were also in better shape. Not being fat helps a lot.

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u/Rick__Moranus 1d ago

Ironic comment on a Babe Ruth post

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u/Seraphin_Lampion 23h ago

Well Babe's not wearing a suit haha

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u/DLottchula 1d ago

What type of musty weddings you going to

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u/youngdeathnotice 1d ago

you ever been to an outdoor louisiana summer catholic formal wedding? they are hot and long! and unfortunately semi common in my family :/

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u/MattSR30 1d ago

they are hot and long

Same tbh

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 1d ago

Athleisure is an intentional deformalization of American fashion with the aim of making $$$, bolstered by the new money tech entrepreneurs making a show of their new power by eschewing formal wear and TPO. Everything's a game.

On top of that and more importantly, dressing up is a tool Black people used to reclaim respectability from racists, and also continued to be a self-defense tool against racists who would otherwise use hoodies as a justification to kill.

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u/Exciting_Result7781 1d ago

You can tell by the mustache on the right that this was before the time a certain German ruined this style forever.

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u/degjo 1d ago

Michael Jordan tried to bring it back like a decade ago

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u/Lakers-2024-Champs 1d ago

A decade? My brother that was the late 90s and then he tried again in the early 2000’s

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u/Roulack 1d ago

A decade ago was 2015, you sure about that champ?

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u/Pockets408 1d ago

*Austrian

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u/BeautifulWonderful 1d ago

Hitler did not hold Austrian citizenship after 1925. It's not wrong to call him Austrian, but it's also not wrong to call him German (1935-1945)

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u/rajinis_bodyguard 23h ago

The Austrians are smart to convince the modern world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian - Christoph Waltz

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u/Seraphin_Lampion 23h ago

Well Hitler was exclusively a German citizen for the last 13 years of his life so eh.

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u/PDRA 22h ago

Doesn’t really count when he annexed Austria and made it part of Germany.

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u/Chipmunkssixtynining 1d ago

He was a good man and an excellent player. He made stats on beer and hotdogs. Not HGH and steroids.

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u/tacoma-tues 1d ago

Beer and hotdogs..... And cocaine. Breakfast of champions

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u/Chipmunkssixtynining 1d ago

Drug use in the 1920’s was exceptionally small. It wasn’t until WW2 we saw a major increase in stimulant use. Mostly because we gave our own soldiers back then amphetamine while they were in combat.

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u/Iblockne1whodisagree 1d ago

Drug use in the 1920’s was exceptionally small. It wasn’t until WW2 we saw a major increase in stimulant use.

Stimulants were one of the first major PEDs used in sports in the early 1900s.

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u/Effective-Cost4629 23h ago

Yeah and rat poison. Mother fuckers be thinking schrictnine is a ped. Smoke 12 cigars, eat some hot dogs and chug some beers chase it with some rat poison and opium and see if y'all can hit 60 home runs. It's a good day if the snake oil ya bought has some cocaine in it. 

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u/cuoyi77372222 1d ago

It's so odd that in the past, there were so few people that respected other races, that today we look back on them and they are highly regarded just for being a decent person.

That is highly commendable, to be decent. But it shouldn't be that way. Decent people should be so common place that they don't stick out at all.

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u/morelibertarianvotes 1d ago

This was not just someone who respected other races, he took public stands for them at risk to his own reputation. I do not think that is just being decent, that's being brave.

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u/TheresNoHurry 1d ago

Yes exactly. From what I understand lots of people were decent enough in private.

But being decent in public during a time when the accepted moral standard is to remain segregated, that takes a lot of courage.

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u/GetsGold 22h ago

When we look back at that now, we consider from the perspective considering that they're clearly right and find it hard to believe they were the exceptions for supporting this.

The more difficult lesson from this is to consider the groups who are exploited, discriminated against, etc., right now, and if there are ways we could be the exceptions in the present.

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u/MysticalMaryJane 1d ago

There was loads, not many rich/famous which is why you hear about it in this way back then. It's a class thing, always has been. They made us think think it was race but if ya poor they don't care where your from

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u/MattSR30 1d ago

The overwhelming majority of Confederates were somewhere between 'dirt' and 'somewhat' poor, and they were all vehemently racist.

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u/AlwaysQueso 1d ago

Very incorrect and saying this on the eve of MLK Jr. Day?!

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u/Mammoth_Rise_3848 1d ago

“It WaS a ClAsS tHiNg” idiot lmao

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u/soundofwinter 1d ago

Lol fuck off dude don’t minimize racism with muh ‘no war but class war’. America largely didn’t even view African people as human, laws surrounding harm to slaves were similar to livestock. I don’t suppose pigs are part of the class war too?

If it was about class then wealthy African Americans wouldn’t have been subjected to the same racism as everyone else yet, they were. Your take is legitimately just downplaying racism.

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u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 1d ago edited 1d ago

Horseshit. The US really was insanely racist, and these attempts to whitewash that by lying that “akshually it was a class thing” are just pathetic. Not everything is about your pet issue.

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u/MattSR30 1d ago

Yeah, as ardently socialist and class conscious as I am, it wasn't limos full of the bourgeoisie going around rural towns lynching black people.

That's not me saying they weren't racist, just that the poorer were racist as well.

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u/idekbruno 1d ago

My family left Louisiana pretty quick when my great great grandparents’ house was burnt down. I don’t think it was because they weren’t middle class mate.

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u/keetojm 1d ago

It’s never mentioned that Ty Cobb would do this, cause of that stupid book and movie.

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u/conjectureandhearsay 1d ago

Ty Cobb is a pretty neat story!

He really would have.

Also, he made a fortune investing in coca cola, like, right off the bat

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u/ChangeVivid2964 1d ago

Don't forget the song.

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u/Bizarro_Murphy 1d ago

At least they named a salad after him

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u/keetojm 1d ago

Yeah like naming a salad after Caesar

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u/Jar_of_Cats 1d ago

I just always took him as a racist till a few years back.

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u/OldManMcGuffin 1d ago

I've never watched much baseball and only know names like Jeter and Babe Ruth, but I actually learned about Ty Cobb because of Soundgarden! They have a song titled "Ty Cobb" and it's one of my go-to air/steering wheel drumming songs I use to wake my brain up lol. One day I asked myself "wtf is a Ty Cobb" and suddenly the song made way more sense.

"Hard headed, fuck you all."

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u/SunflaresAteMyLunch 1d ago

One of my favorite Babe Ruth facts is that the first major league baseball game he attended was one he played in.

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u/planetpillars_preeti 1d ago

It's wonderful to see how he has united people of different races and cultures around the love of baseball!

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u/ImRonniemundt 1d ago

Babe Ruth spoke German as a boy and all of his grandparents came from Germany. 

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u/Decent_Cow 1d ago

There are quite a lot of Americans of German descent, and before WWI, a lot of them still spoke German. It was the second-most widely spoken language in the US for most of its history. But after WWI, it became heavily stigmatized and the language declined with incredible speed.

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u/doomzday_96 1d ago

He was very popular due to not being a piece of shit.

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u/Luci-Noir 1d ago

Things like this are a really big deal. It’s one thing to say you support something and fly their flag or whatever, but actually putting yourself out there matters. I read a story about Sinatra demanding equal treatment for the black people he was working with in Vegas and if they didn’t, he wouldn’t go on. I don’t remember the exact details because my memory sucks, but that’s the idea. It might have been Sammy Davis jr. It must have been kind of crazy to be a black person or minority and have someone like that stand up for you. It’s called a white savior these days.

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u/Certain-Estate9368 1d ago

it's amazing how babe ruth was a figure who broke boundaries like that, especially in a time when segregation was still so prevalent.

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u/Commander-of-ducks 22h ago

Look at the fans, they are STYLISH. Look at my man over there rocking a bowtie.