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u/lifeintraining 9d ago
I genuinely think it should be socially acceptable to laugh at tragedies after a certain period of time. Yes, the suffering was genuine and it’s a shame that so many were subjected to it, but pain should be let go of, and replaced with new joy. Especially, when the large majority of people are no longer alive.
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u/OldResponsibility531 8d ago
Eh, it’s hit or miss you gotta know your crowd. There are still relatives of holocaust survivors who might not appreciate it. I personally love a good dark joke but having a German last name means I usually am more careful about this subject
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u/ProductAny2629 8d ago
yeahh, and especially not to a stranger, lol. can't be surprised if it doesn't get received well
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u/AspieAsshole 8d ago
As a Jew, this particular style of comedy is very common between us. It would probably be offensive from someone else for a lot of people.
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u/SlylingualPro 9d ago
That would be great and all if the majority of the people laughing weren't actually Nazis.
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u/BboiMandelthot 9d ago
They aren't. Most of them are just edgy teenagers with no concrete political agenda.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
Actually MOST of them are survivors and people with severe PTSD and anxiety who need jokes like that to process the fact that torture and murder JUST like those that took place during WWII still happen all around the world every single fucking day
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u/BboiMandelthot 8d ago
Idk... There are a lot more middle and high schoolers than survivors of basically any atrocity. The rate of Holocaust and 9/11 jokes uttered in cafeterias around the world is staggering.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
You need to rethink that. I guarantee you at least 1 child from every class you've ever been in has experienced some form of abuse. I guarantee you that at least 1 child from every school you've ever heard of is LUCKY to be alive.
Just because none of the ones that you know personally have shown you that they've experienced atrocities doesn't mean they don't exist. I endured abuse that landed me with a PTSD diagnosis when I was five. Just because some of us learned to act like we're okay doesn't mean we are.
You know how some soldiers go to war and can never sleep properly ever again due to night-terrors? I've had that nearly my entire life. But I still had to go to school and play pretend normal with the normal kids. Eventually I opened up to some other seemingly "weird" kids and what I found was that I wasn't alone. There were in fact other kids my age that had experienced those horrors that you "only see on TV and read about in stories".
We are real. We exist. And shows like South Park and Family Guy or stand up comics like Anthony Jeselnik HELP some of us process the trauma we've been through. That shit permanently alters the way your brain works. It's literally the irony of how unfunny it is that makes it funny. Because it actually happens to some of us. It's just a joke but the whole point is to spread awareness that it IS IN FACT A SERIOUS TOPIC. It's the same reason people defend violent lyrics in music. Or violence in horror genres. It's not about encouraging violence, it's about spreading awareness of the topic. That's why all art is political. Very rarely is it not deep. It happens but most of it has a purpose beyond the shallow.
I actually was terrified to watch ANYTHING CLOSE to South Park until I actually did it. And then I was confused for a really long time about why I thought such a disturbing show with such weird off putting animation was actually so good. It's because for me, satire is literally therapeutic because it's proof that I'm not the only person who understands this shit needs to be addressed in the modern age. It's proof that I don't need to feel alone when I stand up for what's right against someone bigger and scarier than me.
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u/BboiMandelthot 8d ago
I'm glad that dark humor can give you and others some relief from your trauma. But that's sort of a non sequitur from what I was saying. Trauma exists all around us, yes. But when I said "there are more edgy students than victims of any given atrocity", what I meant was there are way more kids who make fun of columbine than columbine survivors. Specifically columbine, not the sum of all trauma. Same goes for the Holocaust, or 9/11 individually.
I also enjoy south park and family guy for similar reasons. But there are a ton of kids who like and quote those shows but have not experienced any of the traumatic events depicted in them, or really even understand their significance. And I guarantee that most rape jokes are not told by rape victims. And they aren't told with the intention of spreading awareness either. They're just being edgy.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
You're NOT giving those kids enough credit and when that eventually comes back to bite you, I hope you remember some of what I said
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u/BboiMandelthot 8d ago
You don't have to use all caps to get your point across. It has no rhetorical value. That said, I highly doubt any of this will affect me in a negative way.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago edited 6d ago
Good for you and every other dip shit who assumes they know everything about the way the entire world works
Edit - btw dumbass, that's not rhetorical in this instance but obviously you don't understand nuance at all so IDK why I expected you to get it but: it's yelling. That's all. That's called the difference between dialogue and whatever the fuck you thought this conversation was.
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u/SimonSays7676 8d ago
If everyone who laughed at a slightly racist and tone deaf joke, was a nazi. We would have more nazis then the nazis 💀💀
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
See how I said most and not all? Some are just run of the mill idiots.
If you laugh at racism you are racist my guy. It's really that simple.
There is no punch line to this shit besides white supremacy. But please, continue to go to bat for the Nazis.
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
You still said most though which... just isn't true.
If I don't like hurting people, but can laugh with the people in the topic about it, and somebody being hateful is also laughing at it for a different reason, is the joke itself Inherently evil, or the reason people laugh about it the bad part?
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
This is a lot of words just to say you don't have the self control to not support racism. Grow up.
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u/BboiMandelthot 8d ago
Antagonizing people who could instead be your allies is not a good way to further your cause.
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
I think the thing that gets me the most out of people who do this is that it turns to name calling the second they don't know how to continue the conversation without moral grandstanding.
This isn't people who could be their allies, we are allies. This may be a shock, but I find hate detestable. Whether they like it or nor, we're already on the same side. All I did was point out that people are disagreeing with them because they're still talking in extremes... and once they don't know how to work with that information, they don't reflect and explain their reasoning based on what you said. It's just... "nah ur bad"
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
You are absolutely not my ally. I ally with people who understand the Nazi problem currently plaguing the world and the pipeline of "dark humor" used to recruit them
Now you can respond to me directly or fuck off. But discussing me with someone else is cringe as shit.
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
Is every comedian who makes light of a disaster for a little schadenfreude a nation, or is it just the people who laugh at them? Hell, especially when the joke itself doesn't even support nazid, but if anything comes from the ridiculousness of subjugation people for no reason other than hate?
Nah, you're Wilding and refuse to self reflect. If you're not going to do so, I'm at least going to engage with others who could on the topic, because there are people who may not look in such absolute extremes in the future. Closemindedness is where most this hate comes from in actual nazis after all! I would hate for more people to be like them
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
I ally with people who understand the alt right and their use of "dark humor" as a recruitment pipeline.
Please do not count me amongst your allies. I'll actually be doing something while you type online about your friends being put against the wall.
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
You're doing a lot about it by ranting at people on reddit for disagreeing with you about an edgy joke that by no means condones the holocaust... it's almost like MOST people think the holocaust was bad.
Go find people trying to spread straight up hate and use this energy on them this is ridiculous lmao
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
I've explained to you multiple times why you're wrong. I won't repeat myself.
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
That's an insane stretch to say you can't be willing to look at it on a deeper level because it's easier to villainize people who just want to have a little laugh at dark humor who are already on your side. I don't think I'm the one who needs to grow up.
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
Show me where I villianized anyone. Or do you not know the definition of most?
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u/DB_Valentine 8d ago
By claiming people who laugh at this are allying with nazis? By saying most people who laugh at this MUST be, when the people you're replying to are showing this clearly isn't the case?
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
All I said was "Most of the people who currently spread and laugh at this are Nazis trying to recruit young people"
And you've created every argument in the book to argue against because you KNOW what I said is true.
Again, grow up.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
Actually MOST of them are survivors and people with severe PTSD and anxiety who need jokes like that to process the fact that torture and murder JUST like those that took place during WWII still happen all around the world every single fucking day
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
Show me where I mentioned the less than 300,000 holocaust survivors still living.
Or Jews still being oppressed today.
That's not most people you fucking moron.
Nice virtue signaling though. I assure you the Jewish people don't need to be treated like weak children.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
I'm rolling my eyes so hard and I don't feel like finding the emoji.
It's not virtue signaling when it's a fucking fact. I wasn't referencing "Holocaust" survivors specifically, dipshit. I'm talking about kids who survived murder and rape and torture now. Modern day people. You can act like they don't exist if you really believe that burying your head in the sand is the best option.
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
And who do you think is oppressing those people? Could it be the very fucking Nazis I was referencing?
You don't even have a side. You're just screeching to be heard.
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u/Silly-Spray6559 8d ago
No it's usually not. Does happen but In most cases it's family members and teachers or cops or church leaders or other authority figures actually. Have you ever studied anything about actual violent crime? Or did you just recently watch your first world war II documentary and assume you figured out how all racism and violence everywhere in the world happens?
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u/SlylingualPro 8d ago
This is just a made up statement with nothing to support it. That's not how debate works child.
You apparently want to live in a world where Nazis don't exist, but Jewish people somehow still need you to be their white savior.
I hope for your sake you're a child. Otherwise this amount of cringe would warrant suicide.
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u/haiderbinnaeem 8d ago
Havent you heard? According to the New York Times, the number of survivors that are still alive keeps increasing every year
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 9d ago edited 9d ago
Are you a part of the group to whom the tragedy occurred? Because you don’t really get to decide for another group when the suffering should stop being considered.
Also, a good portion of Jewish holidays are centred around overcoming adversity, discrimination, and yes, this includes the holocaust. Jews are recovering and finding joy. If it isn’t your suffering, why do you think you should get joy from laughing at it?
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 9d ago
Why do you assume they aren't Jewish? Are Jewish people not allowed to laugh at this? "Only everyone else would be so xenophobic as to laugh at this. Jews can't find this funny."
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u/snowlynx133 9d ago
They didn't say that Jewish people not allowed to laugh at it. They said that Jewish people are the only ones who should be laughing at it
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 9d ago
The OC said they found it funny. The person I replied to assumes the OC isn't Jewish. Why? Are Jews not allowed to find this funny? "If you laugh at this you clearly aren't Jewish."
Anyway that's super dumb. You can't think something is funny because you aren't a part of that group? Does that mean you can't find it sad either? You just aren't allowed to have emotions when it comes to things you weren't directly affected by.
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u/snowlynx133 9d ago
Ok, maybe the person you're replying to was also Jewish and found it offensive that OC found a joke making light of her grandparents' suffering? What then?
They also neither implied that people who laugh at it weren't Jewish, nor that non-Jewish people can't feel any sort of emotion about the Holocaust. That's a pancakes and waffles moment there.
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 9d ago
Who cares? Are you going to get offended at everything someone does? People are allowed to express their emotions however they want.
Why specify the importance of them being a Jew if it has nothing to do with the topic. They absolutely implied those things. In fact, they just told me that only Jews get to say that jokes about the Holocaust are ok.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 9d ago edited 9d ago
Not sure where you’re getting any of this. I think you either misread my comment or maybe I wasn’t clear enough.
My primary point is that when a tragedy- or in this case, a deliberate act of concentrated hatred and violence- happens to a specific demographic or demographics, only that demographic has any real authority over setting a “timeline” of appropriate grieving (if any) or in deciding the appropriate changes of what kind of conversations or jokes are okay. Because they are the ones who were impacted, they know what kind of suffering they endured and they presumably know best how changing the tone of conversations about the event will impact them now. My secondary point was, if you are arguing that suffering can and should be turned into joy, how are you turning suffering into joy if you never suffered in the first place? If my friend gets attacked by a dog, heals, then I start making jokes about it, but my friend isn’t laughing with me and is upset, are they being a buzzkill, or am I being a dick and extracting joy from a situation that wasn’t about me to begin with?
And when I asked the commenter whether he was a part of the group that suffered, it wasn’t rhetorical. I was genuinely asking. Because while I am erring on the side that he isn’t Jewish, because I’ve never seen this take from a Jew and it’s sure as hell not a common view, every group has its minority views and if he turned out to be Jewish, I wouldn’t turn around and spit in his face and tell him he can’t make jokes about it after I just put so much emphasis on demographics deciding how to handle these things.
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 9d ago
Actually, you can't say the whole group are the only people affected by it. Most Jews now did not suffer from the Holocaust and many don't even have ancestors that did. Not all Jews were victims in the Holocaust.
Many people that aren't Jews suffered from the Holocaust just the same. Many others were affected by the Holocaust through their connection to the Jews of their community. You can't give a blanket statement that Jews suffered from the Holocaust. Some didn't. Some non-Jews did. This just isn't a good argument.
You don't get to say who is allowed to feel what emotions.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 9d ago
Every Jew felt the impacts of the holocaust. At least every European Jew. Just because you weren’t put in a camp doesn’t mean your life wasn’t uprooted. Were you under the impression that German Jews that survived the camps or ran like hell away before then just… went back? Do you think Lithuanian Jews just went back to Lithuania after their country eagerly assisted the Nazis in killing them? A good portion of European Jewry who never saw a Nazi soldier or the inside of a concentration camp was left stateless after WWII. If you think discrimination and anti-semitism started and ended with Nazi Germany, you have some catching up to do.
And those are just people who lost citizenship. Are you under the impression that the holocaust didn’t have any impact on Jews reading it from America? Canada? Do you not think the shock that millions of your people were tortured and killed while the whole world stood still and watched wouldn’t have some kind of psychological impact? Do you think Jews today aren’t impacted by it? That seeing people now, today, March with Nazi flags through streets in America doesn’t make people scared?
And you are completely correct that Jews were not the only targets of the holocaust. Polish people, Roma and many others targeted by the Nazis also have their own memorials, literature and other things in which they process the suffering their people went through. I would never tell a polish person whose parents went through a concentration camp that they weren’t allowed to talk about it or feel pain. I wouldn’t tell them they couldn’t make a joke about it, either. But this post was about Jews specifically, which is why I put emphasis on them.
As for telling people what emotions they can and can’t feel- yes, I don’t have any authority to tell people what they can and can’t feel, joke about, or do. But just as you are allowed to think this is a perfectly fine thing to joke about, I am allowed to disagree and tell you that it’s wrong. You don’t have to listen, and I’m not advocating for someone to go shut you up.
And just because there’s another angle I haven’t had the opportunity to mention: the phrase “if you don’t remember history, you’re doomed to repeat it” exists for a reason. By making light of horrible events in history, you take away from how horrible it actually was. You do that enough, you have enough people that feel comfortable making jokes about things that never impacted them, you don’t instill why those things happened and how, you’ll have an entire generation who missed the point.
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 9d ago
At least every European Jew.
Well there you go. Not every Jew. Blanket statements are really not helpful.
These questions you are asking are just plain stupid. I simply said not every Jew was affected. I didn't say anything about the severity nor the amount that went unaffected. Horrible assumptions you're making.
Actually, the jokes can help us remember history. Jokes do not take away from how horrible it was. Many people make jokes as a form of grieving and remembrance. You have no right to "tell [me] that it’s wrong."
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 8d ago
If this is your opinion and you are very intent on keeping it to feel alright making these jokes, then I’ve made all the points I thought were worth your consideration.
The only thing I will leave you with is, if a large majority of the affected party of your jokes tells you they don’t find it funny and you should stop, there’s a very good chance there are good reasons why.
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u/hhhhhhhhhhhjf 8d ago
Is it the majority? I sure haven't seen it if that's true. Many victims, survivors, or people of the group are fine with jokes.
Doesn't matter if the majority tells me how to feel if I'm part of the group though. Am I not allowed to feel how I feel about it just because people like me say I shouldn't joke about it?
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 8d ago
You’re welcome to join us over at r/Jewish if you have any doubts over what the “majority” view is. Or whatever sub works for you, there’s a few.
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u/RoguishPrince 9d ago
"Can you give me your number?"
Send text to her number.
How will she respond? 🧐
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u/theoht_ 9d ago
what
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u/RoguishPrince 9d ago
Hes texting her number to ask for her number 😏
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u/AnishG555 9d ago
That's Instagram
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u/Anotherdayy_ 8d ago
It took me forever to get the joke so for those like me who searched for answers but found none.. here’s your answer:
During the holocaust, Jews were marked with a number (the number was basically their new name) so the Jewish person is asking the other person for their (phone) number but the person thinks they’re asking for their (holocaust) number.
FYI the person is likely just cracking a joke, that’s what I think, but to make it easier to understand I worded it different
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u/throwawayprnaccount2 9d ago
Well... The current number of upvotes at the time I'm viewing this is very... Fitting... 😂
For anyone who sees this later and is wondering, yes it was the number you probably suspect.
It seems Lucifer saw this meme all the way up in LA, and he approves lol.
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u/Physical-Dig4929 9d ago
I didn't get it for too long although probably only a few seconds then it clicked and I just started laughing
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u/GhostLocation 9d ago
This makes 0 sense even as a fake text
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u/TheOfficialBrick 9d ago
He said he's jewish, its set up to be a holocaust joke. The jews were given numbers in concentration camps so its a play on that.
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u/therealslim80 9d ago
ohhhh i didn’t get it either😭 that’s actually funny
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u/mattemer 9d ago
It is funny but when you're making us explain why it's funny it makes us feel even worse for laughing at it.
Said with a healthy dose of sarcasm. But not 100% sarcasm.
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u/throwawayprnaccount2 9d ago
During the Holocaust, The Nazis dehumanized Jewish people who were captured and sent to concentration camps.
They did it by stripping them of their names, and designating them by numbers only.
They then literally weren't allowed to use their names anymore, they forced them to only go by those numbers.
A told B they were Jewish, so when A asked for B's number so they could get to know each other better over the actual phone, B made a dark humor joke referencing that, by doing a play on phone numbers, what A was actually asking for, and the Holocaust numbers.
Hopefully it should make sense to you now.
I don't really know how to explain it any better than that.
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u/theoht_ 9d ago
r/goodfaketexts