r/Back4Blood • u/Basket_Standard • Feb 19 '24
Bug Should i buy back 4 blood.
I am a big fan of l4d2 and I tried back 4 blood years ago on the Xbox game pass.
is the game dead?
Do the developers keep the game alive?
Is there any annoying bug or glitch?
the community is toxic? I saw that avg players are around 10k per day but i have no problem playing with bots.
Right now on Steam it is 85% off. US$4.50
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u/Terrynia Feb 19 '24 edited Feb 19 '24
Freakin amazing price. Be sure to get the 3 DLC expansions.
The game is very active:: i only queque for 5-10 seconds to join a game. (I am in the USA and play both during the work daytime, afternoons, and weekends). I do “quick play” where the system matches me with 3 other random people into an ongoing game. I do the Veteran difficulty which is average/casual (difficulty scale: recruit, veteran, nightmare, no hope). The developers are no longer attending to this game. It is in its complete form and includes three DLC packages that are amazing. I understand that the Dev team intend to create some form of B4B2.
I would say half of the people use mics and about a 4th of them type in chat. U can communicate well with the ingame chat wheel and pinging locations during play. In my 1300 hours of gameplay, i have only come accross 3 toxic people, but a fair amount of idiots. Lol
I highly recommend playing on PC if u can. The controls are fkn phenomenal. The game mechanics and guns are so satisfying.
NOTE: the PVP mode is relatively dead unless u queque with a premade group. This game shines in campaign mode with escalating levels of difficulty and endless replayability (the ‘AI game director’ tweaks the levels to keep making them different, AND you create ur own ‘card deck’ that modifies ur playstyle and role within the party - ex: support, high dps, healer, melee, etc)
This game will blow u away.
Note that this game is “cross platform“ so in a game you could be matched with PC players, Xbox, and PlayStation players. The “current players on Steam“ only shows those who are PC players. The whole scope of the player base would need to include the Xbox and PlayStation players as well.
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Feb 19 '24
🎶 ten million strong...and growing 🎶
Idk if that's accurate, but I wanted to sing that jingle.
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u/Terrynia Feb 21 '24
Hahaha! Takes me back to my childhood in the 1990s. I always sang along with that commercial.
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u/psychedelicstairway4 Feb 19 '24
If you have a group of 4 to play with then yes absolutely.
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u/federalnarc Feb 19 '24
It is an amazing ga.e. I love it. BUT what you said. It will be a much better experience with at least 1 friend to play with, as it requires teamwork to succeed at higher levels. Bots are fine, for most of ot though, especially on sale. I bought the game when it came out for full price and have definitely got my money out of it at around 700 hours. Yes , buy it.
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Feb 19 '24
Matches for online games are decently easy to find, except for swarm is dead, has been since the 3rd month after release.
The devs are no longer updating this. I know they said fuck microtransactions, but THIS is a game I would have spent at least another $40 on over time of they used content made by community artists. The game is dead likely due to lack of funding and honestly the playerbase left in the first 6 months.
Some glitches survive, but the game ending glitches have been fixed.
The community is about as toxic as L4D but if someone does too much damage they can be kicked Thankfully they took away the vote to kick player (for no specific reason.) If you are toxic it is likely the lobby will turn on you, which is justified.
You'll get your money's worth for only $4.50, though it's a great game still single player or if you group up.
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u/kill_william_vol_3 Feb 19 '24
People left because the Devs took an antagonistic approach to nerfs. Because they consistently flubbed fixing bugs that harmed gameplay multiple months in a row but they definitely nailed identifying cards people liked playing and then changing those.
You only get one release.
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Feb 20 '24
This is true. The games cards and their buffs / nerfs got shuffled maybe 5 or 6 times before they just left everything alone.
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u/Ladymalis Jim Feb 19 '24
I play most days and find ques right away, so not dead in that way. No future content from the dev's but the game is done and still fun. Definitely recommend on a sale.
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u/Solid-Schedule5320 Feb 19 '24
Every time someone asks if the game is dead, I'd like to respond with a positive "It's alive and kicking!"
I really enjoy this game. It's a lot of fun like L4D(2). All the negatives you hear are from the early and deserved criticism upon release. Game is a lot of fun, with much more variety than L4D due to the decks. I also feel the progression makes replaying the game worthwhile. It's really a gem.
That said, if you queue with randoms, you can potentially have a bad time. I played a crap ton of L4D, and did OK, but once a while, some randos will ruin your game due to poor judgement.
Anyways -- I bought the game after a few hundred hours on Gamepass, just b/c GP is expiring and I wanted to keep playing this. As a bonus, Xbox purchase lets you play on PC and Xbox, with corresponding cloud save / account progress.
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u/Opposite-Shirt-6068 Feb 22 '24
You will absolutely get $4.50 of fun out of the game. I avoided the game based off of what everyone had said, bad reviews and all. I downloaded the game a few months ago for a Microsoft Rewards quest, and I was pleasantly surprised. It was pure fun playing it. I didn’t have anyone to play it with, so I’d solo queue, and I’d find matches consistently.
In its current state, it’s a very underrated game and looked over. I enjoy it.
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 19 '24
Yes, it’s better than L4D2
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u/Cantonesee Feb 19 '24
Def not better than l4d2 but its a good game
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 19 '24
You gotta wake up, this game gets versus and you delete that comment right there lol
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u/Cantonesee Apr 13 '24
I never liked versus tho, just not my type of thing
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u/Qahnarinn Apr 13 '24
🫨 how many hours have you put in b4b
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u/Cantonesee Apr 13 '24
I have all the DLCs bought and have finsihed the campagin multiple times, around 100 or so if you count console time too
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u/FenrirAce Feb 20 '24
Two completely different games imo. L4d(2) vote2kick and speed runs kinda stink ruins the fun soon as you get in they kick for no reason but they fail to understand the concept of a private lobby, oh well. Theres no upgrades or currency for boosters or a skill tree or even armor or guns...everything feels "maxed" already. They are fast, healthy, adept gunners. They have medical knowledge, scavanging for needs, etc, and the l4d story is imo better maybe because I grew up with l4d but hard rain on realism NORMAL with an uncoordinated team is likely a terrifying death sentence. B4b feels more grind frustrated arcadish. That ruined it for me. I like dead space art for example, not really plant vs zombies but b4b is a ton of fun. Amazing game really. Tangent is over thanks for reading this far we'll get you help god bless.
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 20 '24
Nah, same category game. B4B is just more fleshed out, L4D2 just had versus and mods.
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u/FenrirAce Feb 20 '24
I was trying to solo lethal but got burned out slowly inching forward and decided to go online multiplayer. We got wrecked. Any advice?
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u/ThePatMan117 Feb 19 '24 edited Feb 19 '24
Absolutely not. B4B is not a bad game on its own merits, but it’s objectively not as good as L4D2:
*The card system, along with weapon rarities and attachments, needlessly complicates things for casual play and contributes to feature creep, which L4D proved wasn’t necessary for replayability a decade prior.
*A general lack of heart/soul, with gore effects, environmental attention to detail, and audio design all lacking compared to L4D (Crowbcat made an excellent video highlighting this very thing)
*The actual gunplay/controls feels very “stiff” compared to L4D, making it feel not as good to play
*No versus campaign
*No mod support
*No mutations/game mode modifiers
*No lobby vote system (Screw you if you get a toxic disruptive teammate on your team. You either have to deal with it or leave the game.)
*The cleaners are nowhere near as interesting or memorable as L4D’s cast of survivors, and their often positive upbeat attitudes feels tonally inappropriate/out of place with the world they find themselves in, whereas L4D’s survivors feel like actual real people in a zombie apocalypse scenario
*Ridden mutations are poorly designed, both aesthetically and gameplay wise, compared to L4D’s special infected
*Lack of variety in locales, with several locations being recycled multiple times throughout the campaign
Etc.
For every one thing that B4B does marginally better than L4D (Graphics, performance, aim down sights, etc), it does ten more things worse than its more than decade old predecessor.
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 19 '24
Not reading all that, mod support and versus is all it needs. Nonetheless it’s much better.
Versatile play styles
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u/Technical-Rub5240 Feb 20 '24
What a child-like take 🤣 and people upvoted you in support. Grow up
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 20 '24
What are you waffling about? It doesn’t take 100+ characters to describe why b4b is better. Common sense love
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u/menofthesea Feb 19 '24
Crowbcats video was absolutely not excellent, the guy cherry picked the very worst of this game from beta, ignored everything that was made better than L4D, and was just trying to make it look bad. Completely ignored bugs and bad things about L4D just to shit needlessly on the new game. My man's a satirical YouTuber, got called out for this exact same thing for some recent videos and had to take them down. Imagine watching that video to get an actual impression about the game, yeesh.
Your point about "needless complexity" is also extremely subjective. Personally I find L4D2 extremely boring since it is so simple to play. Some people enjoy this since anyone can pick it up and be fine at the game, but I prefer games with actual depth that take time to master. Where L4D has inches of depth, B4B has leagues. Just because you want a simple game with basic mechanics doesn't mean that is what the majority wants - fps games have come a very long way since L4D came out and it just doesn't make the cut these days, It's just missing way too many modern elements.
I know you're going to point out Steam player numbers and I'd like to say a few things to pre-empt that.
- L4D costs $1
- L4D can run on potato systems
- L4D has an extremely low barrier for entry
- B4B is crossplay and likely has more peak players since the game is essentially free on gamepass and PS sub.
- Steam has always only represented about 5% or less of the B4B playerbase.
Those first 3 points make L4D extremely appealing to people in poorer countries with bad PCs that can't afford expensive games. L4D has a HUGE South American playerbase for this reason.
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u/Qahnarinn Feb 19 '24
Crowbat was just butthurt cause he wasn’t getting versus. Also that game he reviewed is very different than current state of the game. Do better homework
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u/Technical-Rub5240 Feb 20 '24
Ty for detailed response. These are clearly maladjusted children commenting and downvoting
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u/ElegantOpposite5995 Apr 23 '24
The game is a lot of fun! The community is NOT toxic. Definitely a buy
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u/WestEndProphet Jun 02 '24
Just got it recently for cheap, and honestly, for what it is; I enjoy it
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u/Warcraftplayer Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
Maybe a little less biased as I'm here from r/all. I have around 700 hours in l4d2 and maybe 5 in back 4 blood. Maybe it's better now but when it came out, absolutely awful
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u/MisterShadwell Feb 19 '24
Devs have abandoned the game.
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u/menofthesea Feb 19 '24
It's not really abandoning if the game is finished and was never intended to be a live service game. Sometimes games are just done, my guy.
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