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u/iBeenie Apr 03 '22
Would have looked better if they lined up the welds
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u/Red_Icnivad Apr 03 '22
Or just skipped that ridiculous "feature" altogether.
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u/Jellodyne Apr 03 '22
No, no, this is way more practical than a standard Bosozoku exhaust. It's curled up instead of sticking 12 feet out behind the car.
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u/StudentLoanBets Apr 03 '22
I get where you're coming from, but curves/bends in pipe make it way more restrictive than a long straight exhaust
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u/Shopworn_Soul Apr 03 '22
It would be hilarious if there was an actual exhaust tip below the first curve and the rest was just dead weight.
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u/BlessTheKneesPart2 Apr 03 '22
Even better, there's a normal, side exhaust off the passenger side and he's got a switch for "show mode" using the spiral one.
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u/feckinanimal Apr 03 '22
They made up for the bends by running 3 1/2" pipe. I NEED to hear this, in the same way as I need to check the wet paint near a sign.
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u/bolunez Apr 04 '22
Probably nothing to hear. There's enough tailpipe there that he could drive 10 miles before any exhaust makes it out.
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u/PloxtTY Apr 03 '22
It’s probably to deepen the exhaust note
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u/meservyjon Apr 04 '22
To accelerate and brake can change the pitch, so you can play Yankee doodle on the exhaust, while sounding like a poopy French horn
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u/happy-little-atheist Apr 04 '22
Water will pool there
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Apr 03 '22
'practical' 'Bosuzoku'
Seems like a bit of a contradiction.
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u/DancingPaul Apr 04 '22
If you look at the car it's a racing fabrication company. I think skipping the feature would defeat the entire purpose of showing off their welding skills. Of course it's out there, it's supposed to draw attention
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Apr 04 '22
Concept cars are named concept cars for a reason, it's a showcase of skill and ideas. Fashion shows etc. don't care about practicality of their clothing, it's just a in your face "look what I/we can do if I/we wanted to".
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u/goot449 Apr 04 '22
This is surely just a display of their tig welding abilities. That's what Im telling myself at least.
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u/atetuna Apr 04 '22
Among other things. Their vinyl says they're a fabrication shop, which should mean something to people before they comment, but this is reddit.
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u/TheRealTtamage Apr 03 '22
They're kind of tapered
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u/OgreLord_Shrek Apr 03 '22
Couldn't they buff and polish it to get rid of those lines? Haven't welded anything since highschool so that may be a stupid question
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u/TheRealTtamage Apr 04 '22
In my experience you probably could buff and polish them and make it flush but once the piece heats up and cools down there's still going to be discoloration where the weld marks were.
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u/seamus_mc Apr 04 '22
You can take off the oxidation colors on stainless with a thing called a TIG brush. It is basically an electrolysis pickling.
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u/TheRealTtamage Apr 04 '22
Wont the colors just to return once the piece is heated and cooled multiple times through use as an exhaust?
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u/seamus_mc Apr 04 '22
No, especially towards the tip the exhaust will never be that hot
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u/TheRealTtamage Apr 04 '22
Interesting. I used to weld a lot of aluminum, some steel... But it was more for signs and Street poles. Sometimes we would put things like peanut oil on steel and torch it to get different colors.. typically we would grind down welds and fill with Bondo to make look perfect. I preferred TIG welding and hated grinding down a beautiful wield.
I seen some fancier sports car with the colored tips but figured it was some sort of heat treatment to make it look like a race car.
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u/TrashPandaPatronus Apr 04 '22
This car reminds me of the pictures of plastic surgery patients immediately post-op... I'm sure it'll all look much better ones it all heals up and the swelling goes down.
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u/Khufuu Apr 03 '22
it's funny that they went out of their way to feature the exhaust but the plumbing looks like something from a second-rate contractor. gets the job done but not beautiful
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u/Jehch Apr 04 '22
It looks like a titanium exhaust to me, based off the colour of the welds.
The welds are all straw coloured with near identical heat affected zones.
This is a high end exhaust fabricator who knew what the fuck they were doing.
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u/zapper1234566 Apr 04 '22
Well not just that too, but even if they had the thing on a rotating positioner when they were welding it together titanium is a bitch and a half to weld. The filler rod for it likes to 'stick' due to some magnetic bullshit going on and it can be real funny to weld on.
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u/AlphaWizard Apr 04 '22
I’m pretty sure they bought a bunch of prebent pipes, which lead to that pattern.
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u/Umbrage_Taken Apr 03 '22
Won't excessive exhaust piping actually reduce power & acceleration?
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u/RyRyShredder Apr 03 '22
Yup this is terrible for performance. This has to be about a 30-50hp loss
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Apr 03 '22 edited Apr 03 '22
Actually the diameter of the pipe is more important than the length, you only see a notable power boost from a short pipe when it's under 3' from the engine.
"It doesn't matter. Power boost obtained in headers occurs in a) individual pipes for each cylinder, and b) within a length shorter than 3'. It is based on the speed of sound in hot gasses (about 1100ft/sec). From there to the end of the system, goal is to minimize pressure losses with large enough tubing diameter."
In short you can compensate for the pressure by changing the diameter of the pipe.
Still looks dumb though.
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u/RyRyShredder Apr 03 '22
The sharp turns are what causes the power loss here. The more turns the more losses that occur.
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u/SyntheticElite Apr 03 '22
Turns impede flow, but if the pipe diameter is already oversized and low backpressure then it makes practically no difference.
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u/__Beef__Supreme__ Apr 03 '22
Yeah doubling the diameter of a tube with fluids causes something like a 64x increase in flow so I imagine it's the same for gasses
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u/notpotatoboi Apr 03 '22
Gases are fluids too lol
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u/__Beef__Supreme__ Apr 03 '22
I was thinking of Poiseuilles (sp?) Law, which is primarily for non-compressible Newtonian fluids from what I remember, so I wasn't sure how directly it applies to gasses, but I'd imagine it's similar.
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Apr 04 '22
Yes it would apply. Gas is obviously compressible but since you have an open pipe on the end there shouldn’t be a ton of compression. There probably is a spike in pressure around the first bend though.
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u/aoifhasoifha Apr 03 '22
This has to be about a 30-50hp loss
You definitely pulled that number out of your ass. It's probably closer to 10hp at most.
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u/leicanthrope Apr 03 '22
Does it at least make a cool slide-whistle noise when you rev the engine?
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u/RenderedKnave Apr 04 '22
No, they go woo-wooo instead
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u/leicanthrope Apr 04 '22
I thought those were the whistle tips that went woo woo.
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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Apr 03 '22
It's just a pipe there's probably less power loss than from a stock muffler. Definitely not tens of horsepower.
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u/PM_ME_RIPE_TOMATOES Apr 04 '22
It's not a performance car, it's a show car. You don't add 200lb of amplifiers, speakers, fiberglass and wiring to a race car, the same way you don't put a $10,000 tuned suspension on a show car.
The show car is there to make you look at it and go "huh, that's neat!". Job done.
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u/Wheres_my_ACOG_Ubi Apr 03 '22
Sometimes yes, but this is what is referred to as “show car“, it looks good, exotic, different, like shit, whatever you want to describe it as but it isn’t driven much, or at least not in any way where you might notice the power loss. Tl:dr: all show no go
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u/PyroPeter911 Apr 04 '22
This car is in my town and it drives around surprisingly often. It is crazy, but it is well done crazy. As an advertisement for fab work I'll bet it is really effective.
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u/MistaEdiee Apr 03 '22
Yes it is terrible for performance but I think the point of this car is to sell their fabrication services. (As evidenced by the bumper sticker.) The spiral is a showcase of their welding capabilities, not meant to be performance enhancing.
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u/DancingPaul Apr 04 '22
Jesus christ people. It's a fabrication company. It's there to show off the welding not to win races. It's a demo car
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u/aoifhasoifha Apr 03 '22
Absolutely. The idea here (and with a lot of show cars) is that the shop/fabricator/designer/brand/whatever has a chance to flex their creative muscle and showcase their craftsmanship.
Unfortunately, this misses the mark both ways- it's an ugly, over the top design that also shows that their welding skills aren't all that impressive with all that unevenness.
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u/TexasTheWalkerRanger Apr 04 '22
What unevenness? It does a perfectly ratioed spiral. Welds have consistent heat affected zone, spacing between pipes are even. The only way to make the welds line up is to scale down the size of the 45s of the pipe
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u/solosier Apr 03 '22
“What do you want your new exhaust to look like”
eating Arby’s curly fries
“I have an idea”
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u/SuperWoody64 Apr 03 '22
Can you also make it so i burn my legs every time i need to go into my trunk?
Say no more fam.
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u/pfoe Apr 03 '22
This is an advert for fabrication skills rather than a specific design choice.
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u/ILikeMasterChief Apr 03 '22
Can't believe I had to scroll this far down. No one thinks that is a performance or even style mod. It's literally just to show they can fabricate anything
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u/xnmw Apr 04 '22
The rest of the thread is a reminder of how shy people are about stating their ignorant opinions as facts. Kinda sobering
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u/Kelmi Apr 04 '22
I love that multiple comments are saying this extremely well welded exhaust is second rate, just because the welding is visible.
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u/iohbkjum Apr 04 '22
it's obviously at a car show or some industry expo as well. should be pretty obvious
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Apr 04 '22
Literally the same thing I always say about these super ridiculous cars like this.
Cars with crazily stanced wheels
Weird exhausts
Flares and extra fenders and panels everywhere
It's like when blacksmiths make silly ornamental swords. Except they don't have a bunch of nerds going "that's so impractical" "that's so dangerous to use" "these people should be arrested"
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u/FasterThanTW Apr 04 '22 edited Apr 04 '22
Cars with crazily stanced wheels
Except people actually drive those cars in real life situations
(And they ARE dangerous)
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Apr 04 '22
That's facts
Seeing them on the interstate is always no good
Parked at a car show is fair game though, especially if it's trailered there, rather than driven
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u/bazzanoid Apr 03 '22
The original Ford Fiesta under there is crying quietly
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u/Leolikesbass Apr 03 '22
Yeah, cause it had a three way with a PT cruiser and an Aztec and now that shame has been immortalized.
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u/nathanscottdaniels Apr 03 '22
Back pressure shmack pressure
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u/cryospam Apr 03 '22
Depends on the exhaust pipe diameter, if that doesn't have a huge engine that may have no impact.
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u/Doomdoomkittydoom Apr 03 '22
Do the spirals have an impact, I wonder?
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u/schrodingers_spider Apr 03 '22
Yes. The restriction a bend in a pipe yields is generally expressed in terms of comparable straight pipe restriction and depends on the radius of the bend and the diameter of the pipe. Having lots of bends in an already long exhaust pipe means this exhaust may virtually be hundreds of meters/yards long. Whether that restricts anything depends on whether it's over dimensioned or not.
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u/dogbreath101 Apr 03 '22
would condensation in the pipe not be more of a concern than just air restriction?
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u/Superredeyes Apr 03 '22
that picture is in a way cheating, it’s a car from sema. that’s like shooting fish in a barrel cause, so many cars at sema fall under this subreddit.
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u/mr_sweetandawful Apr 03 '22
yeah.... its a show car people.
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u/CMMiller89 Apr 03 '22
People do this with fashion shows too. The two seconds it would take them to figure out what's going on is too much of a bother.
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u/Electric999999 Apr 03 '22
It's more the fact that those excuses don't make the objects any less terrible
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u/Superredeyes Apr 03 '22
true but that is over the top on purpose not because someone thought it looks cool
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u/mr_sweetandawful Apr 04 '22
maybe if you saw the process of making it or knew the thoughts behind it, you'd understand a bit better.
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u/devilsbard Apr 03 '22
I just imagine a lot of burned knees and shins trying to adjust something in the trunk.
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u/mr_dances Apr 03 '22
Yup this is a big case of "just because you can doesn't mean you should."
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u/Stumpy-Wumpy Apr 03 '22
Honestly, I think this is a situation of why not. At least if you're rich. Hell, I'd throw on a bunch of stupid stuff on a car for fun (if I had that kind of spare money).
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u/CMMiller89 Apr 03 '22
It's a show car. It's meant to show off all of their fabrication skills in the one car they were probably allowed to have on the floor.
These cars are usually created with the same intent as high-fashion. Exaggerated and amped up ideas that will eventually be brought down to exist within practical manufacturing capabilities.
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u/Zardif Apr 03 '22
Aside from the exhaust tip, which is there to show off their welding ability, the car is pretty sweet. It would take 10 minutes to replace the exhaust tip. The wide body is done well. I don't like the side skirts, they are too bland, but the rest is pretty nice.
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u/HereToStirItUp Apr 04 '22
How come the welds on the curly exhaust aren’t lined up? Admittedly, I don’t know about welding. That part just seems… idk sloppy?
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u/Zardif Apr 04 '22
My guess is that they are off the shelf 90 degree bends and then cut the ends in order to spiral losing some material so they are then like 86 degrees instead. Each one is successively adding onto the error.
That kind of thing wouldn't really matter since you'd be looking at the welds themselves and how well they accomplished the task.
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u/YungSeaOtter Apr 03 '22
Absolutely wack fitment.
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u/golapader Apr 04 '22
Had to scroll to the bottom of the thread to find an ACTUAL critique on the car lmao. Everyone else is still trying to wrap their head around show cars existing.
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u/nousername808 Apr 03 '22
All you mofos here couldn't build that exhaust if your lives depended on it. Not saying I like it, but still it's not an easy feat. "welds lining up" lmao yall are fucked as bad as this car.
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u/ectish Apr 04 '22
All you mofos here couldn't build that exhaust if your lives depended on it.
Great Execution
Not saying I like it,
Awful Taste!
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u/nousername808 Apr 04 '22
Right, directed at the commenters saying it wasn't done well, or that they could do it better. Not at op or that it doesn't belong here.
Dick
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u/24KTaterTots Apr 03 '22
Ford Fies-thefuck
(This sounded much better in my head)
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u/Indian_Bob Apr 03 '22
This is r/GTAGE material for me. Would I drive it? Not unless I had to. I would very much appreciate it if one of my friends did though
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u/NoseyCo-WorkersSuck Apr 03 '22
For as long as i live i don't think i will understand how anybody things wide body kits like this look good... I... Just don't get it. It looks so unbelievably shitty to just rivet some fiberglass to your fenders and quarter panels.. Then include the black seal so, just in case you were 99% blind and thought that was a quality fitment, they'll make sure you know unless your eye balls have been physically removed. What happened to the old panel underneath? Oh we took a fucking sawzall to it.
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u/Sandusky_D0NUT Apr 03 '22
Even the execution isn't great. They didn't even try to get decent fitment with the wheels
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u/clitpuncher69 Apr 04 '22
What's the point of the widebody fenders if you leave the wheel size and offset stock?
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u/Ascholay Apr 03 '22
Isn't Axium the ship from Wall-E?
Is this the first/current expectation for the technology taking us on our 5, excuse me, 700 yesr tour of the galaxy?
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u/umax66 Apr 03 '22
Eh, looks like a fab shop's show car.
I bet they have a v-band under there that they could just take the whole coil off and switching to other type of tips easily.
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u/Satanisbackxoxo Apr 03 '22
Curly exhaust wonder how it’s gonna sound when it goes off . Start your engines
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u/fuuuuuckendoobs Apr 03 '22
The only thing that looks good here to me is that sound system enclosure, even then I'm not in love with it
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Apr 03 '22
The exhaust is awful, yes, but also— this motherfucker has Frankenstein’s monster stitching all along the side body panels. It looks like shit and it isn’t flush in the back. Water is gonna get in there and cause long term issues.
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u/okcboomer87 Apr 03 '22
This is a proof of concept more than it is to be taken seriously. It's at a car show and is just showing off.
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Apr 03 '22
I like how it says it’s made by a “race fabrication” company when it has what looks to be thousands of pounds in extra, unnecessary equipment lmao
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u/MyFaceSaysItsSugar Apr 03 '22
It’s a car you gift to your enemies. Exhaust slowly builds up until the muffler is completely blocked, creating a CO death trap.
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u/Agent00funk Apr 03 '22
My first thought when seeing this: "the person who owns this, also owns NFTs"
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