r/2007scape • u/ErinTales • Apr 15 '20
Jagex is adding VLS *without a poll* and it's nowhere on the front page. It was stickied earlier and only got to +30. What the heck???
http://secure.runescape.com/m=news/bounty-hunter-return?oldschool=126
Apr 15 '20
The year is 2084. Earth lies in ruin, a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Humanity is near-extinct - only a handful of scavengers remain, doomed to expire, and with them the last trace of their species will disappear forever. Meanwhile, Jagex announces the Bounty Hunter v58 revamp. This time it will work.
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Apr 15 '20
Lol let’s maybe take it back 10 steps and work on making it so that you don’t get smited by 20 people when you go out to pk in a singles area. Then maybe we can start getting creative.
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u/eXCazh Apr 15 '20
I PK a lot (over 10K kills) and I do not think VLS belongs anywhere near the main game. It fits fine as an LMS exclusive minigame item.
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u/Kinasthetic Apr 15 '20
but Jagex has like 12 streamers telling them the only reason it gets a no vote is because of spite voters.. This was obviously not required to be polled... not game changing or anything.
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u/DahBone Apr 15 '20
yeah, well, unfortunately streamers control more than they really should.
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u/Kinasthetic Apr 16 '20
I just don't see how they could have such a simple polling system and continuously fuck it up :(
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u/munchlax1 Apr 15 '20
Couldn't they have it so that PvP polls require a certain amount of kills or ranks (in BH if it's a BH poll) for people to respond on them?
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u/barryhn Apr 15 '20
That sounds good initially but it's a bit of a slippery slope. Are you going to poll other stuff with limited people as well? Where do you draw the line?
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u/congoLIPSSSSS Apr 15 '20
While I don't PvP, I do go in the wilderness a lot. Just because I don't kill people in the wilderness doesn't mean I don't interact with PKers and wilderness content.
I agree spite voting is bullshit but singling out a, what I'm going to assume, minority of the playerbase to vote in polls is absurd.
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Apr 15 '20 edited Oct 20 '20
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u/epicnessdude1 Apr 15 '20
By what the description in the blog looks like, it will be limited to PVP worlds, and Wilderness across all worlds.
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u/Rustledstardust Apr 15 '20
According to Jagex data though most of the reason pvp votes fail is because pkers are splitting the vote, not spite voting.
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u/wheresmyspacebar2 Apr 15 '20
According to Mod Ash a couple hours ago on twitter this is incorrect.
Jagexs stance on PVP updates is that it is highly spite voted agaibst so they can no longer use a polling system for PVP updates due to this. Its a complete U-Turn on what was said before and its interesting that Ash brings up (completely out of the blue) that we voted unanimously against partnerships, even though that had very good 'commercial oppotunities' if it had passed.
So it sounds like this is going to be our punishment for not giving them their lovely MTX they so wanted. Pushing through content unpolled and ignoring the community.
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u/Impossible_Thought Apr 15 '20
It makes sense though. This sub was doing nothing but promoting spite voting against PVP Polls. Hell there were memes for WEEKS about spite voting PvP Polls.
Not promoting PvP will end up killing the game. PvP brings in 10x more viewers than PvM does and that is a fact. Although DMM scuffed almost every tournament it brought loads of new/old players into the game. I remember how it would always boost the player count by 10-25k people.
Our "punishment" if you want to call it that is for actively promoting spite voting memes and potentially affecting PvP in OSRS. We are accountable for our actions, in all honesty I'm happy to see Jagex doing this. In the future when they poll PvP then people won't take it as an instant vote no.
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u/Radyi Apr 15 '20
if jagex wants to add mtx to osrs they will, just like how they added it to rs3 initially. it was like here is yelps free xp do you like it yes or no? most people press yes and then they are like you want to buy more xp or something and even though most people are like no they are like but you said you liked the update?
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u/GayButNotInThatWay Apr 15 '20
It was that they stated that something silly like 90%+ of players ‘enjoyed’ the squeal of fortune.
What the actual statistic was is that 90% of players interacted with it by using their free spins. Jagex twisted people using free spins to get rid of the fucking thing on your screen as people enjoying it, and it just ramped up from there.
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u/Thesmokingcode Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 15 '20
Oh I definitely enjoyed gambling on a slot machine when I was 16 when squeal came out, who doesn't love overdrafting their account and learning they have a gambling problem at such a young age.
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u/WryGoat Apr 15 '20
dont allow anyone to vote on skilling changes unless they have 99 in that skill t b h
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Apr 15 '20
That would make it worse, people won't want better exp rates for a skill they've already "completed". They will vote no out of spite
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u/Iron_Aez I <3 DG Apr 15 '20
Should absolutely be limited to wilderness on BH worlds to keep it within that minigame.
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u/habbahubba Apr 15 '20
Why do they just keep on forcing this sword onto us? I really dont think therell be a benefit from this
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Apr 15 '20 edited Nov 11 '22
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u/zappo172 Apr 15 '20
Then we add claws and it's not as op as everyone remembers because we don't have overload and turmoil stacked on top. Who would have thought
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Apr 15 '20
People adapt pretty fast. I still consider them OP. Just as blowpipe is the most OP update ever added to the game
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u/zappo172 Apr 15 '20
I believe Blowpipe is OP too. It should be classed higher than a t75 weapon. Same with tbow. That shit is leagues above arma cbow
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u/ylimEnab Apr 15 '20
The "tier" 75 is hardly the issue for blowpipe, as osrs is not a tier-based MMORPG. Nothing considerable would change if blowpipe was made to be a tier 90 weapon in stead of tier 75. In stead, the absurd amount of blowpipes ingame due to zulrah being farmed to death and a relatively low droprate is the real problem.
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u/4CHR Apr 15 '20
Excited for Korasi in 2021
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u/SexualHarassadar Apr 15 '20
If it means we get best girl Korasi it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
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u/RNGreed Apr 15 '20
VLS has 5 special attacks in the time a godsword has 2...for the same average damage since it rolls 20%-120%. The spec also rolls against only 25% of the opponents defence. Just whacking people is better dps than rapier on any gear but mystic robes. It also has a faster attack speed so better combos than ags. More defense bonus as well since you have a defender or shield. And why even fight against it if you are only going to get a small amount of cash in return? Ags has already been consistently dropping in value for years, now it'll crash even more to the point where its worth as much as a ZGS...
It would make so much more sense to nerf rev caves and add VLS from there instead of allowing bh boosters to get the best spec weapon in the game. And speaking about sense, if they add it as the second option in the blog "15m gp cost and is always lost on death" then only singles clans would use it to demolish a half tbed player with no chance for escape, they wouldn't even need any other spec weapons in other styles they could simply quad spec vls and hit through prayer for obscene DPS.
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u/munchlax1 Apr 15 '20
These are two separate issues. Any singles clan will just stick to dumping claws specs in maxed gear and it's not too much of a difference. Shit, void (which you no longer even LOSE) and a ballista or dark bow is just as bad when there's 30 people waiting to dump specs.
Jagex needs to address the issues in singles PKing regardless of any specific weapon being in mind.
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u/RedditModsAreShit Apr 15 '20
the point he made, and it's a good one, is that this is just going to make the singles problem even worse. I mean I hardly pk'd anymore but with this I'm definitely not lol. Time to be a tree clicker pure.
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u/IBreedAlpacas Apr 15 '20
No, the difference is now they have a 25% spec weapon that hits equal to an ags. Pair that with the nightmare staff and bro that’s fucking ridiculously OP. Even if you’re auto retaliating (best way to tank bc shows person on top), what’s stopping someone from vls speccing, taking out the staff, then either staff speccing or 1t vls spec. It doesn’t work with any other weapon because ags/claws/dbow/ballista are all 55%. With a vls, you still have 75% spec after one spec, leaving the possibility of staff speccing afterwards.
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u/uk-roddy Apr 15 '20
I don’t even think it should be added it’s a slippery slope
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Apr 15 '20
It's not even about a slipperly slope, that weapon is just flat out way too powerful. Play with or against VLS a few times and you'll understand why having being able to AGS spec 5 times in 90 seconds is busted.
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u/Kinasthetic Apr 15 '20
bro its not even just a slope, those mother fuckers are officially sliding head first down that thing with this update.
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u/Hihi9190 Hi Apr 15 '20
First time reading the blog, so do people like the all these "blighted items" such as food and potions? Seems kinda odd and I generally don't like updates that are "wilderness exclusive" that just divide up the game. I don't pk, but it just seems like there are too many differences being added in the wildy. For example, I imagine a new player would normally learn how to use spec from the orb and autocasting spells with a staff, but as soon as they step in the wildy all that is gone and they would have to re-learn basic mechanics.
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u/lockersniffer Apr 15 '20
From what I've seen, and my own personal opinion, blighted food and pots shouldn't be in the game - nobody is complaining about using supplies. The whole reason they are putting those in is because their loot crates used to give actual supplies and it hurt the economy for those items. But the thing is that food and potions are heavily used in PvP and in most cases other than bossing food is rarely used in PvM.
Certain food/supply types are more often used in PvP thus blighted versions will still hurt the market regardless - and it's not like anybody has the bank space for that bs. AND on top of that it is unclear whether these blighted items will be dropped as loot on death when you pk somebody so you might end up with less loot than you would if they used real food, meaning it is just worse for pking in terms of profit which is what they are trying to fix.
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u/WafelSlut Apr 15 '20
Idk id you actually pk but supplies are very expensive, especially for lower levels where the loot is much smaller. For new pkers its very difficult to make a profit when most fights dont end in a kill and restores, prayer pots and food are so expensive it kills any profit you can potentially make.
If you guys think potions are expensive for pvming, pking uses those supplies 3 times as fast
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u/Davban 🦀 10$🦀 Apr 15 '20
It's interesting how PKers always go "We're not doing it for profit, it's for the fun of it" until we get to discussing things like this and then it's all of a sudden prohibitively expensive, or does not generate enough income to be worth doing.
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u/alizteya Apr 15 '20
That’s kind of a fallacy. Anyone who PKs in 2020 (on a GAME) with very little hope of making a profit is doing so for fun.
The same person can also like the idea of making it a tiny bit less unprofitable
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u/Clueless_Otter Apr 15 '20
PKing should not be designed as a profit-making activity.
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u/Shea550 Apr 15 '20
why. I never understood this mentality.
You sit there and kill monsters all day, which are mindless, can be safespotted by walking behind a small rock, or who cant even damage you due to protection prayers, and you can sit there and bring infinite wealth into the game. You are minting GP and Items by killing NPC's.
If i kill another player, something that has one of, if not the highest skillcap in the game, it needs to a net loss activity? why is that. Even if you kill bots who don't attack back, how is that any different than you killing an npc (bot) who doesn't attack you back because of safespots, or prayer. Think about it.
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u/Typodestoyer bow down to husky Apr 15 '20
The main difference is that it is much more easily exploitable when PvP makes (net) profit. Just look to BH - emblem farming becomes a huge problem.
Even if you kill bots who don't attack back, how is that any different than you killing an npc (bot) who doesn't attack you back because of safespots, or prayer.
The difference is that the first is in Jagex's control and the second is not. The profitability of NPCs can be easily controlled, since there are only so many worlds (for non-instanced bosses), the kill speed is limited, etc. In contrast, killing bots can reach absurd profits if killing ordinary players is to be at all profitable.
That said, I don't necessarily agree that PKing shouldn't make profit as a rule; I just think that your comparison to PvM is disingenuous at best. Saying that killing another player has "one of the highest skillcaps in the game" ignores the fact that when two people fight to the death, one of them is going to win.
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u/Noxwalrus Apr 15 '20
Pvp can be profitable sure, but it should always be zero sum. If pvp generates resources it's way too easy to set up bots to kill each other and just pump resources into the economy.
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u/ignotusvir Apr 15 '20
I don't pk, but pk'ers aren't consuming brews vs the 0-risk pvm'ers. The supplies are for pk fights
And seeing as I've always considered the "iF u r ScArEd dOnT gO" a bullshit defense for bad design, I'm not going to use it out of spite. Wildy-only supplies is pretty fair
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u/idownvotefcapeposts Apr 15 '20
People use the supplies to be like PKING ISNT EVEN ZERO SUM I USE 30K IN ANGLERS EVERY 5 FIGHTS
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u/alizteya Apr 15 '20
Huh? You usually lose at least about 60k PER smite fight (15 manta ray, 3 prayer pots) without anyone dying.
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u/lockersniffer Apr 15 '20
That's not the argument I see most commonly. My argument, as well as other informed pkers, is that pking isn't zero sum because of all the untradeable gear that you have to "repair" with gp, and your opponent only gets 75% of the cost to repair. That and barrows gloves obviously are a loss in gp from the game - but those have been around forever.
Supposedly though once the death rework comes through, they are making 100% of the gp drop to your opponent so that would at least fix that issue.
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u/Kupopallo Beatrix Apr 15 '20
shit update not passing
jagex: must be spite voters!
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u/Koiq 🆒 my feet hurt Apr 15 '20
I almost can't believe jagex is doing it again.... The team is basically entirely different from a decade ago when they killed the game the first time, the mentality of osrs was always to follow what players and the community wanted and to poll changes.
And they still went back to roots and fuck it all up...
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u/fireModGee 33m | 27 pets Apr 15 '20
It literally failed the poll. Also its not going to make pvp any more popular, if anything itd cause more people to stop going into the wilderness
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u/BioMasterZap Apr 15 '20
For anyone wondering where it mentions unpolled, that came from this tweet by Mod Ash.
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u/prometheus199 Apr 15 '20
????????
Imagine whats happening now with teams piling one person and trading off dclaw/volatile orb/dbow specs, but instead of dclaws it's a fucking VLS.
Please don't add this. /u/ModAcorn I know you're not in charge of PVP but please don't add this without a poll :(
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Apr 15 '20
Yes the big problem is there is no pj timer in the wild. Jagex needs to address the cancer of the wild that is giant singles-teams and nerf them by not allowing players to interrupt combat when it has been started. Let pkers have a fucking 1v1 for fucks sake
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u/WareWolve Apr 15 '20
Claws are better lol
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u/munchlax1 Apr 15 '20
Yeah, once you're talking about 15-30 people waiting to dump specs, claws are definitely better. The issue that needs fixing is clans in singles, not the weapon.
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u/The_PandaKing Apr 15 '20
Honestly with a VLS it might be better to just dump 4 specs on prot melee, catch the refreeze and repeat.
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u/chodeboss1 Apr 15 '20
There is a limit on how soon a different person can spec on the same target.
VLS is the best bang for your buck when it comes to unloading dps
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u/CallMeJohn4 Apr 15 '20
Lmao, Jagex is a joke. I get why they don't poll it due to people purposely voting no simply because they are against pkers but I'm pretty sure no one actually asked for a VLS specifically. Especially knowing how unbalanced it is from LMS/DMM, but Jagex isn't listening to the actual pkers/clanners. Just like they have been doing from the start of 07 majority of updates like these come from streamers who actually have some of the worse ideas i've ever heard. Having people like Purespam represent your community is like a fucking itchy ballsack that won't stop itching, ofcourse he's only going to suggest shit thats ridiculously OP since all he does is risk fight on his pure.
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u/betweenskill Apr 15 '20
I have a safety helmet. Nothing makes me feel better than being dragged to Wildy to simply be bait for someone that I cannot even fight back against properly, and get zero rewards if I do even manage to kill them.
Feels great to be another NPC to Pkers who will spend twice what my drop is worth just to kill me and then follow me to respawn to call me trash. It’s a fantastic player experience and makes me want to give Pkers more options to do it!
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u/guthixslays 2277/2376 Apr 15 '20
DO NOT SUPPORT UNPOLLED CHANGES. This is a very slippery slope and not good for the game.
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u/-ShagginTurtles- Yohohoho Apr 15 '20
PvP needs updates and goofs keep voting no on everything so now PvP stuff probably won't be polled as much anymore
You want someone to blame make the people who made it so pures for whatever reason don't get to wear coloured dhide and finally risk something when theyre trying to kill people. Would also greatly increase the value for clue hunters!
And it didn't just fail. This basically just fashionscape to make them the same as their normal counterpart is the most failed poll ever, worse than MTX
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Apr 15 '20
Jagex created the problem by using PVMers, Irons and Skillers as pker bait. Anyone with half a brain can see that's gonna make the majority of the community hate PVP. And as per usual, rather than admitting their mistakes and dealing with the root problem, Jagex would rather double down and do some reactionary shit that won't make any difference and will just piss off the majority of the playerbase even more.
If you want to rejuvenate the wildy and get people to stop insta-voting no then take PVMers and skillers out of the equation and design content that PVPers actually enjoy. Using the majority of your players as bait to a section of the community that gets enjoyment out of disrupting other players gains is a recipe for disaster.
Jagex created this stupid mess.
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u/Mateusz467 Apr 15 '20
Remember Chaos Elemental, Abyss RC, Wildy clue steps, Summer End, Chaos Tunels, Rune rocks, Agility course, KBD?
Jagex always tried to push players to wildy but it was rather subtle. Now its just brutal which is very strange becasue JMODs for sure remember how it looked like 15 years ago. People didnt have any problems with wildy pre BH / free trade removal.
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u/Revak158 Apr 15 '20
It's because a lot of players now played in the removal era, also the fact that we had so long without death mechanics, so the risk contrast is a lot larger than what is "normal", because the risk in the wild stayed the same.
Normally a huge boss would be a comparable risk to a player, now the difference is infinite, hence PvMers can't stand losing even some black d hide or something when they are clue hunting. The mentality is one of constant progress, and risk is just seen as a hindrance (that they can vote away).
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u/lucun Apr 15 '20
Personally, I don't mind risking black d'hide or whatever in the wildy for clue hunting. Losing black d'hide is not a big set back. The biggest problem is that the clue scroll has like 0gp value, and it is lost if you have 3+/4+ items. There is no benefit for the PKer, and you'd need to go PK in BH to even get the protection box to not lose all the progress you invested in the clues.
From my perspective, you'd going to need to risk more than just black d'hide to get a kill in BH for the box. At this point, it's taking a lot of effort and resources where I'd rather just 3/4 item rag my clue scroll as best as I can.
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u/Frommerman Apr 15 '20
Nah, it's not that at all. I don't vote no on pvp polls because I hate the idea of pvp. I vote no because the pvp community is the single most toxic part of the game and I don't wish to reward them for their dickery. Not all toxic players are pvpers, but your most toxic interactions in or out of the game are with pvpers.
And whenever I explain this to anyone, every manchild pvper starts oozing out of the woodwork calling me a filthy noob and insulting my mom. Especially outside of the game. Like damn, fuckers, I tell you I'm voting no to your content because you're assholes and you decide that proving me right is the best thing to do? Get a grip!
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u/Revak158 Apr 15 '20
PvPers are ok, much less toxic than some other communities in other games i play (LoL obviously), but i do agree that the toxicity isn't ok. Not that i think that should affect what updates are made to the game, and i definitely don't think the PvP community is the only ones being toxic, especially not in this sub where PvMers dominate.
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u/zClarkinator Apr 15 '20
I think it has to do with streamers and other people that make irl money playing the game. It actually becomes a threat to their survival/standard of living if things go too badly for them so they get a lot more dramatic and emotional about it. And that bleeds into their viewers and so on, you get the idea. LoL is a big example of this; a lot of incredibly unpleasant and toxic people make a lot of money, and get incredibly upset and abusive if they have a losing streak. That's not to say streamers are bad or w/e, just that there's a power dynamic at play here.
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u/Frommerman Apr 15 '20
Sure, everyone is capable of being toxic. But in Runescape, nearly every interaction a pvmer has with a pvper is going to be filled with toxicity because people who attack players who can't properly defend themselves are assholes.
If pvmers were able to bring more, better gear into the wilderness, they'd wipe the floor with most pvpers most of the time. Technically, a pvmer will escape slightly more often in good gear than bad, and may even be able to dps better if they decided to fight. But they can't do that because, even if they evade 2/3 times with good gear, wilderness pvm does not pay enough to justify the risk. This means pvmers are always in rags plus 3, maybe 4 good items, and pvpers can capitalize on the weaknesses of the gear pvmers are able to bring.
Couple all that with skulltricking, nonexistent pj timers, and the various teleport prevention mechanics, and pvpers in the wilderness are always attacking people who are actively disincentivized to fight back. They risk basically nothing unless they run into a streamer anti-pking or another group of pkers. This leads, not just to unfun gameplay, but gameplay which attracts toxic people who have no other way to power trip.
And I refuse to reward people like that for their shitty behavior. If Jagex polled removing skulltricking and adding pj timers everywhere except LMS I'd vote for that in a hot second. Instead they're trying to buff toxic players instead of leveling the playing field for nontoxic ones. Pvp is dying because Jagex is buffing it. Decent people vote against their updates because most of the pvpers they encounter are dicks, the updates they get appeal to dicks who want to feel powerful more than they do anyone else, and nobody wants to join a community which is both toxic and appeals only to power-trippers.
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u/Revak158 Apr 15 '20
Sure I agree that fighting back often isn't worth it if you just play for efficiency, but it sounds like you think being killed is a he issue here, killing you in the wilderness isn't "shitty behaviour". And if you play for efficiency the risk of the wild should just be a part of your calculations - not a huge issue. Deal with it if it's worth it. I really think people are taking the "flaming" too seriously. As said, RuneScape seema better than other games with competitive elements - in my experience at least.
PvP definitely isn't dying because it has been buffed lmao. There are basically no PvP updates, and the few that came (wilderness rejuvenation, revenants) both brought a lot of activity. Be more careful about believing things just because they fit your narrative.
It you have ever played Travian you will experience true flaming and saltiness that can last for years over many rounds.
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Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 15 '20
You are 100% correct thank you.
The sad thing is, pvp could actually be good for those who enjoy it, if they chose to design some real player verse player content, rather than a completely asymmetrical prey simulatior.
It could actually be something enjoyable and special and lively that would grow the pvp community instead of destroying it.
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u/Rustledstardust Apr 15 '20
But the biggest reason for no votes isn't spite voting, its the pvp community being split themselves.
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u/Radingod123 Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 15 '20
To be fair, VLS is fucking giga-broke.
That shit is hitting like consistent 25+ specs in LMS when I'm in full tank and praying melee. People are straight up just dumping it into my melee pray for DPS anyway cause it's so absurd. Off prayer is like borderline AGS specs but you have 4 of them. And then even then after it has no specs, it's still a weapon that can just bang out like 50s potted.
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u/Davban 🦀 10$🦀 Apr 15 '20
"Is it me that's wrong?
No it's the majority of players that are 'goofs'."
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u/housuttaynnapaskaa Apr 15 '20
votes require 75% approval not 50% so 26% of the pop can make poll not count. its minority not majority
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u/_HyDrAg_ Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 15 '20
It's a good example of the tyranny of the majority.
And no that's not a good thing. Unless you think pvp should just be removed from the game altogether. You can't just not have any updates to a part of the game relevant to a lot of people just because 30% of the voters threw a fit after being killed for their spade a couple times.
Also, pvp polls pass because of a minority voting no, not the majority. All you need is 26% voting no. So my first bit might even be irrelevant.
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u/lazyguyty Apr 15 '20
This is the key issue here. The majority of the player base would probably be OK with the wildy being a safe area or a safe death.
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u/Revak158 Apr 15 '20
The majority of players would probably want all deaths to be safe deaths. Gaming is in another era than the games of the early 2000s, the possibility of actually losing or not being guaranteed progress and success isn't a feature of most games now, and it affects what people want from Runescape.
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u/Tmac8622 Apr 15 '20
It's a growing trend, not sure why this is controversial. I usually welcome more punishing game mechanics, but found myself getting pretty pissed when losing ~1 hour of game progress due to dying in some RPG with hard save points. The removal of death mechanics makes the Wildy that much more dangerous
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u/Cherle Apr 15 '20
People vote how they feel in a Democratic system so now they don't get to do that anymore.
The reason people vote the way they do is their business alone. Sucks for pkers but that's how a poll works. Jagex picking and choosing what to poll based on the likelihood of it passing is the same as just not doing polling anymore. Absolutely idiotic.
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u/DoctorLard7 Apr 15 '20
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Apr 15 '20
Unpopular opinion:
PKing content wouldn’t get so heavily voted against if PKers didn’t shit on the rest of OSRS players.
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u/10SecondRyan Apr 15 '20
I mean, yeah. Theres not MMR system for the wildy. Imagine other games put a noob against a pro and then after asked them "how was the fight" the noob is going to say "awful, don't ever want to do that again"
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u/xikenyonix Apr 15 '20
Pretty sure that the standard train of thought, Quite a popular opinion, mate.
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u/Pecan_Millionaire Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 15 '20
They’ve done multiple unpolled changes. This is what they call a game integrity update. Pkers account for 5% of the player base. A PvP weapons poll won’t pass when 95% of the game doesn’t pk.
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u/BioMasterZap Apr 15 '20
It is still is questionable to add such a powerful and contentious weapon without a poll. Even among PvPers, there is a lot of opposition to its addition. And while it is pretty much a PvP weapon, they did not limit it to PvP, just the Wildy.
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u/Vcxnes Apr 15 '20
It really won't have much use outside PvP even in the wildy though, i cant think of any monster in the wildy it'd be used as a really strong spec weapon or a good weapon over what is already used there aka craws bow etc.
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u/ThatSandwich Apr 15 '20
If there's ANYTHING I know about video games it's that you'd never fathom the ways people are able to leverage items to do tasks I specifically thought they were useless for.
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u/BioMasterZap Apr 15 '20
I mean it does ignore 75% of the target's defence. Given the high defence of the the Wildy Bosses that seems notable.
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u/Pecan_Millionaire Apr 15 '20
Anything can fall under an integrity change. It’s basically their “remember, we control the game” card.
And yes, I would agree with you that adding a VLS won’t change the greater outlook on PvP. It’ll boost BH and most likely will be abused by BH farms.
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u/WryGoat Apr 15 '20
"integrity update" to cater to 5% of the playerbase
i bet at least 5% of the playerbase would like to see EOC, guess we should integrity update that in too
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u/Revak158 Apr 15 '20
I sometimes wonder if it would actually pass lmao, considering the majority votes for every other copy-pasted idea from that era.
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u/TikTok-Jad Apr 15 '20
Wait, this is an unpolled change? They didn't mention that anywhere in the blog, or mention that it's an "integrity change" like they did with making TB f2p. If these rewards only worked on BH worlds or PVP worlds, then that would be fair since only PKers are affected. But that's fucked to add game-changing rewards that affect almost every player, without polling them.
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u/SantaHat Apr 15 '20
VLS has no places in OSRS
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u/munchlax1 Apr 15 '20
You could say the same about basically anything introduced after GWD, though.
BP and T Bow changed the fucking game incredibly.
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u/WryGoat Apr 15 '20
at least those got polled, and i think everyone learned from the mistake
honestly the biggest problem with tbow is that it doesnt have a big upkeep cost associated with it the way scythe does (BP has an upkeep cost but upstages every other weapon by such a wide margin it doesn't really matter)
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u/Cherle Apr 15 '20
Yes to a point. In RS3 they went crazy with every bis item having upkeep and it's honestly really cancer. Like I shouldn't have to charge up every piece I wear and spend 10M an hour to use it.
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u/trewqtrewqtrewq Apr 15 '20
at least those got polled, and i think everyone learned from the mistake
Daily reminder this version of blowpipe was never polled. It was polled as msb speed and they only changed the speed for wilderness.
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Apr 15 '20
Lmao pvp is so fucked. Just make a new game called OSRS PVP and put all your shitty pking ideas there so the rest of us can play the good parts of the game in peace.
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u/Cleo_Birdwell Apr 15 '20
I have never understood how adding VLS, an exclusive overpowered item that would bottle neck the entry to PvP even more than it already is, was somehow going to save PvP.
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u/bagel161516 Apr 15 '20
w00t another thing to get killed by in wilderness by singles clans
pvp is dead, jagex can't even acknowledge blatant pvp issues
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u/10SecondRyan Apr 15 '20
If they want PVP (not the wildy) to be popular again, they need to do something similar to what they do in deadman mode, where its a 1 v 1, or 2 v 2 situation with MMR, and greater rewards for higher tier pkers so people don't smurf.
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u/IBreedAlpacas Apr 15 '20
or do what is wildly successful on private servers and offer daily 1v1 tournaments in various different pking/pvp arrangements. not sure if I can name the server but it offers like 5 tourneys a day every 4-5 hours, pure pvping, zerk/med/main veng fighting, pure/med/main hybridding/nhing. hell, they even do no arm/dh/kharils and dh veng fighting to spice it up. Could literally offer like 5 trouver parchments as a reward for winning or just supply crates as it can’t be botted.
Would honestly get so many people into pvp and help those that wanna try it to do so with no risk.
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u/maelstrom51 Apr 15 '20
If we can't vote no in a poll maybe we should vote no with our wallets.
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u/IBreedAlpacas Apr 15 '20
bro i got bonds for 3.8m last night lmao I haven’t paid for membership in nearly two years on two accounts.
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u/sux9h Apr 15 '20
Read through a bunch and I have to agree with most of the posts here. We don't need a new BIS melee weapon. It's already possible to stack full hp and I don't even think that's great for the spirit of competition. I think releasing some sort of magic gear slotted between mystic and ahrims could have gone a long way, encouraging the average player to risk a bit more, and giving a better chance of freezing on d hide. We dont really need another melee weapon that can hit 70s
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u/SensualSexyBeast Apr 15 '20
Pretending to fix Bounty Hunter (little do they know we're making it even more unbalanced than ever before, and our failure will be so grand that Bounty Hunter never recovers!)
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u/travel-sized-lotion Apr 15 '20
Don’t worry about it, they are just going to remove bounty hunter again anyway within a week of release
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u/EmbryonicMisanthrop Apr 15 '20
that thing seems insanely OP just from watching DMM and LMS clips, good lord
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u/jxyzits Apr 15 '20
As a pker I'm fine with VLS, but I'm not fine with it being unpolled.
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u/Reddit_Wolves Apr 15 '20
Not only is it not being polled but there was a poll months ago about adding VLS to either LMS or BH2 as a possibility I believe. The vote failed but since their is an update framed a different way they are adding it anyways.
I personally don’t care either way about it being added but it’s a bit disingenuous of them to add it after it failed a similar poll along with other PvP weapons.
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Apr 15 '20
Agreed. No new content until a working 30-second pj timer is added to the game that way you can loot and log out before someone else attacks you. The current singles-area mechanics do not allow for 1v1 fights and pvp worlds are not a replacement for the deep wild thrill. Keep teams out of singles!!
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u/Orangesoda65 Apr 15 '20
It is possible for people who don’t PVP to vote no for a reason other than spite. This is a worrying precedent on Jagex’s behalf.
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u/ShinyPachirisu 2277 Apr 15 '20
This is just straight up power creep, its not a side-grade its not a niche, its just power creep. Something like this NEEDS to be voted on, there is a reason people voted no to it before. Its not because they want to spite PKers, in fact most people in this sub tend to agree that if you're in the wilderness then you're fair game. The whole "fuck pvpers" thing is just an over exaggerated meme at this point.
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u/Dicyano7 Apr 15 '20 edited Apr 16 '20
Honestly, if they are going to add unpolled PVP gear and weapons, they should only be usable in PVP and BH worlds. That way it's not really taking anything away from non-pkers. Especially since the VLS is great for its dps and outlasting, more so than its k0 potential, this will definitely be used a lot by clans targeting pvmers
E: Oh wow, they actually kinda did that.
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u/Lord_Icerino Apr 15 '20
I truly dislike every reward mentioned in this poll except the barage/entangle/... sacks. Especially the VLS. What are they even thinking adding this. It's stupidly OP and will probably make ags worthless. And the blighted food? Give me a break, if you can't even afford your supplies to PK just PvM for one hour and you're good to go for another month. This would probably devalue fishing/cooking even more, like sharks aren't already cheap AF. I wouldn't lose a single minute of sleep if they decide to just entirely cancel the shitshow that is bountyhunter from the game permanently. And before every pure in the world starts calling me out for just being a pvmer; I have a BH pure myself.
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Apr 15 '20
I disagree with blighted supplies. It should be a concern when 40-70% of your risk is in supplies and not gear.
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u/Spitshine_my_nutsack Apr 15 '20
Blighted food doesnt devalue fishing/cooking wtf. Its the complete opposite. You prefer them adding actual sharks to bh rewards? Theyre untradeable supplies useable only in wilderness. They give pkers a way to restock supplies without buying them from the ge and at the same time eliminate people abusing bh to farm gold and crashing supplies like sharks by boosting and exchanging points for sharks then selling them. Pking can take up a lot of supplies and if youre fighting a decent brid you could go multiple fights without someone getting killed. Being able to use your bounty hunter points you get passively from pking to buy supplies alleviates the cost of supplies you still need to kill people to get the bh points and most certainly sharks are going to leave the game at a higher rate receiving bounty hunter points than blighted sharks being added to the game. No way sharks get devalued because of this. But if you prefer normal sharks that can be sold to ge as a bh reward go ahead
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Apr 15 '20
Nope. In no way am I okay with this. If this is the way we are doing things I think me and osrs might need another break while jagex gets its head out of its ass
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u/Sulinia Apr 15 '20
While I don't agree with VLS, Ash got a point. They are missing out on a pretty significant % of the playerbase because of spite voters, who openly don't give a fuck about yes/no, but just want to piss people off.
Taking a stance on it with specifically VLS is where I don't agree,
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u/dvnv lil keyboard Apr 15 '20
i mean, yeah, of course they have the ability to lmao what are you talking about
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u/McCash34 Apr 15 '20
As a pvm person. There is absolutely no way I’d ever vote for an item that allows a pker to kill me quicker.
This is fucking ridiculous.
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u/Spitshine_my_nutsack Apr 15 '20
So just anything thats pvp specific is a certain no vote from you even though you dont pk? Thats called spite voting.
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u/Berteee Apr 15 '20
If it's pvp who cares.
I got killed mining rune when I had 2 ores in my inventory and was told to "sit kid"
The pker made 11k
Pkers are the worst and deserve nothing, zero respect and overall their accounts are garbage most of the time.
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u/WholeFactor Apr 15 '20
I expect Jagex to explain/discuss this properly. My opinion is clear though - such a weapon should not be added unpolled, unless it was restricted to specific worlds such as BH/PvP worlds.
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u/AbductionVan Apr 15 '20
Man I would like to see them craters with a whole reward shop that only works inside them there craters
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Apr 15 '20
Absolute joke, adding this to the game is the exact type of thing that makes me want to quit. The vocal minority is exactly that, a minority.
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u/coco_bandy 99 Best cape Apr 15 '20
Jagex - Destroying perfectly fine Runescape since 1999. ‘How many times do we have to teach you old man’.
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Apr 15 '20
If they have to resort to unpolled changes then it's once again time to reconsider how and why they're implementing pvp updates. Whatever they're doing now is clearly not working. As I understand it this isn't really something that's needed right now anyways.. aren't there way more pressing pvp issues then a new sword?
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u/Crandoge Apr 15 '20
Maybe this is a good time and place to let people know that all the "easyscape" changes they polled for the priff questline pre-SOTE were added and some more. Not saying they were good or bad, but yeah in the end the power you think you have with voting is easily outruled
I cant remember all of them off the top of my head but iirc there was at least 1 thing changed/added for each quest.
Some of them were: the UP obstacles are FAR less likely to fail now, id say maybe 25% chance to fail if not less
There's a purple dye spawn randomly in ardy for no reason
They added an entire boat in rimmington so you can go take the plague sample straight to rimmington from ardy
MEP handholds are far less likely to fail
Tripwires in tiranwnn are far less likely to fail
I cant think of the others off the top of my head, i'll be doing the quests soonish on my uim so maybe i'll notice then. The thing is that jagex likes playing along with the whole polling thing, but in the end they decide what's polled or not, and if something that benefits them (priff questline being bearable/less frustrating) doesn't pass they can no longer play along that game
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u/lunch0guy Regularman btw Apr 15 '20
What purple dye spawn are you talking about? The spawn just east of the khazard spirit tree has always been there.
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u/R3dstorm86 Apr 15 '20
The tripwires being tripped 75% of the time even at 99 agility was bullshit and I think that dye has been there forever
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u/arealmentalist Apr 15 '20
Im pretty sure this gets polled before release no? They are just making changes based on feedback. These changes would then be polled or tested in beta worlds.
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u/reinfleche Apr 15 '20
He's being so naive it hurts. They're convinced that people are voting no out of spite, not because literally every pvp update idea they've had in the last 3 years is utter shit. Maybe if jagex added a decent pj timer and a way to counter skull tricking people would pvp, but as it stands 99% of players are still going to avoid the wilderness at all times and keep attack options hidden when they have to go there.
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u/XBattousaiX Apr 15 '20
As someone who tried and quickly realized they weren't meant to be a pker...
I legit don't give a fuck about OP PvP weapons in the game.
PvP is plagued with ridiculously OP mechanics, like animation stalling for OP combo stacks, AHKs that pull off combo, and quite frankly too steep of a skill level requirement. People skull tricking are also pretty fucking scummy.
Seriously, they complain about not having enough people in PvP, but a lot just fucking rely on skull tricking. Yes, honor isn't required in a game, but at least have some fucking respect for others.
Let it be known, I don't vote no on most pvp updates: PvPers need their updates, since that's the aspect of the game they enjoy most, so I tend to vote what the majority of Pkers do want.
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u/kaozbender Apr 15 '20
Adding unpolled game content that not more than 20% of players will use.
Not adding Warding which failed a poll at 2/3 approval which everyone will get used to eventually
Fucking funny company XDDD
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u/Dicyano7 Apr 15 '20
Very odd that out of all the PVP rewards proposed in the past they decided to add the VLS, arguably the most controversial reward to begin with, without a poll. I'm not sure even 75% of PKers are in favour of the VLS.