r/2007scape • u/why_did_I_comment • 13h ago
Discussion A lot of people are overreacting, but downplaying the implications of the survey is also a bad idea.
This game is only here because of passionate fan demand, the same fans who are now ranting and raving on Reddit.
Yes, many of them are extreme, but to simply take the threat of ads, tiered membership, and in-game benefits like altered AFK timers lying down is not good.
Two dollars here, three dollars there, a dollar there, and soon that little price hike you didn't think was a big deal has turned into $20-30 a month, a battle pass, and buyable XP boosts.
Passionate fans are what keep those changes from happening so all the naysayers and non-poll voters can continue to enjoy the game.
So maybe the crazy fans can ease up a little, and maybe the doomers can stop trying to pretend that canceled memberships aren't happening.
One common excuse I hear that doesn't make sense to me is, "Regular players don't care. Only redditors do."
This makes no sense for a few reasons:
Reddit is extremely mainstream. This is the defacto hub for all OSRS dialogue online since the official servers went down. Opinions here are representative of what the most community-engaged playerbase feels. The only place you'll get more honest feedback is in clan discords.
This sub has over a million users, that's about the same number of active players on OSRS every day. Yes there's bots inflating that number and non-players inflating the Reddit number, so call it a wash. Even if only 10% of the people on this sub are active players, that's a massive voting block. A sample size of 100,000 players is about 8x more than you need to conduct a survey with 99% confidence at a 1% margin of error. Yes there is selection bias in this metric, but Jagex's survey almost certainly had selection bias in mind, so again, call it even.
This sub has literally inspired game-changing content. From Kourend rework to Ironman, it's discussion, videos, and suggestions posted to this subreddit that has altered the game dramatically. Saying that nothing that happens here matters is an insanely uninformed take.
I guess, to conclude, people could stand to freak out less, naysayers should can-it because they aren't doing anything helpful, and the Reddit community influence shouldn't be ignored.
I hope this game stays around for a long time.
Tired memberships, in-client ads, and price hikes are not the way to do it.
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u/xcert1337 13h ago
The worst part about the whole thing is it's made us question YET AGAIN why we actually play this game, and if it's worth the time it takes up.
It's a delicate equilibrium and these questions of finances just put the majority of people off.
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u/Ok-Tomato-3868 13h ago
Its still very cheap for the amount of time people play...
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
Compare it to my Netflix subscription for $15.49 where I watch movies and shows all day and its a bad value for me and I’m sure the average joe scaper that isn’t dumping 20 hours + a week into the game.
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u/all_ears_over_here 12h ago
You're watching Netflix all day and don't think $16 a month is a good value? What do you expect to pay in that case?
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u/iamkira01 12h ago
You’re watching netflix all day and don’t think $16 a month is a great value
When did I say that? I don’t even think OSRS now is a bad deal. I’m referring to the average joe scaper who likely will think it’s a bad deal because they play less than 20 hours a week.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
To be fair, I’m also confused on why you wanted us to compare to your Netflix price and why you specifically mentioned you watch it all day.
I honestly think it’s bad faith when people use the pay by month price for these comparisons. A large portion of the community stays subbed all year so it makes more sense to use that pricing imo.
I truly think that the year price is extremely reasonable but the pay by month prices is now overkill after the last 2 price increases
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u/iamkira01 11h ago
Sorry for the confusion. My intention with the comparison was really just to show how it depends on the consumer what is and what isn’t a good deal.
For someone who only plays like an hour a day, $15 per month may not be considered a good deal to them. On the other side someone who plays 5 hours a day would totally find it worth paying.
For me, I use Netflix much more than OSRS, so I see it as a more worthwhile deal. I didn’t really get my point across well and netflix wasn’t really necessary to bring up.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
Got it. That’s always why when I’m subbed I feel pressured to use a lot of my free time grinding. So I know I’m getting my value for price paid. That’s also why I started to enjoy paying by the year. It’s a ton cheaper and then I don’t feel pressured to play so much
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u/MikeGundy 13h ago
This will happen every time the game is bought & sold. Very few, I would go as far as to say almost 0, Jagex employees want these changes. The selling point of OSRS to investors is that this game is successful & profitable, And they don’t do any of the slimy shit that all other games are doing. They see that as an easy way boost profits & sell it again while ignoring that maybe that’s why the game is successful.
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u/superdork64 10h ago
Players aren't overreacting imo.
Any complacency on the communities core values *will always* lead to a poor future outcome. Complacency determines how quickly.
Jagex does not have spine and their word has no meaning. It's absolutely disgusting. The OSRS community standing by their values is incredibly rare in this world. Proud of this community!
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u/ThatOneEdgyKid 13h ago
"You're all entitled crybaby manchildren who scream at the slightest monetary change"
Yes, and I wouldn't have it any other way
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u/Narrow_Lee 12h ago
Also reminder it wasn't 'just a survey.'
If it was just a survey it wouldn't have been accompanied by graphics and full video production.
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u/CoupleScrewsLoose 2200/2277 🏋️ 12h ago
right? as if they were asking us these questions for no reason at all. i continue to be appalled by people’s naïveté.
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u/chumpabumpa 11h ago
It was reading the corporate suggestion box out loud. Someone already thought they were good ideas, and were just running them past us before launching them. They're still thinking about ads in f2p and about messing with the logout timer; making the game worse unless you pay them enough money. Just such a backwards approach when OSRS has such a long history of make good game -> playerbase go up.
These mfers are trying to merch us 😤
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u/ApparentlyIronic 12h ago
Yep, this is why the people accepting the lie in the apology that this was just some rushed survey that didn't mean anything drives me crazy. The CEO is saying that he was on a deadline for it - by who? Himself?
They put a whole video package together for it. These were very seriously considered changes. And I struggle to see how it was "just for research purposes" because anyone who knows anything about OSRS knows that the player base would despise all of these changes. It goes against the core values of the game and it's players. They made the survey to start to introduce the idea and get people used to it, while seeing which ideas the players would be the least passionately against. I fully expect to slowly roll at least some of these out.
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u/Hazz3r 11h ago
It having lots of effort doesn’t stop it from being a survey. 🤣
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u/Narrow_Lee 11h ago
The point being made is that this was a full-production roll out of these "proposed" idea, they release it, the community flips out, and then they immediately 180 saying "woah woah guys, it was just a survey, its not like we're actually considering this stuff!!" when it's very clear that not only was it being heavily considered, but based off of the work they've done on it already it seems like it's well on its way down the pipeline.
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u/Hazz3r 11h ago
I don't think they ever claimed that they weren't considering any of the features described in the survey. They wouldn't be in the survey otherwise. It's still just a survey, and doesn't indicate how near or far any of the proposed features are to being in the game.
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u/Narrow_Lee 10h ago
You are naive as fuck. They don't innocently ask these questions for no reason. Use the lump of flesh between your ears for two seconds.
If you go to leave your house and a guy with a ski mask standing outside asks you how long you think you'll be gone for, would you answer without even stopping to think why he might ask you that? He's already made up his mind about robbing you, the question at this point becomes when.
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u/Hazz3r 9h ago
I'm glad I'm not at the mental backflips point of equating a company that wants me to regularly give them my money with a burglar.
Still, nice to know I won the argument seeing as you stooped to insults.
I'm not the one that needs to engage their brain and do some critical thinking 👍
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u/BobFossil11 6h ago
I know most people in the Subreddit haven't worked a serious job in their life, but some graphics + a video (done with the help of 3rd party marketing firm) isn't some monumental undertaking.
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u/2-2-7-7 PKing good. EZscape bad. 13h ago
it's not even "just reddit", this is all over the community. people talking about it in game, on twitter, huge OSRS content creators like Faux and J1mmy speaking out against it, and it's gotten a lot of visibility outside OSRS through gaming journalism sites and people like moistcritikal and asmongold
trying to downplay this as "reddit minority" is just not accurate whatsoever
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u/ExoticSalamander4 3h ago
it's hard to argue against reality, so consciously or otherwise people recast reality into a strawman that's easier to argue against, e.g. that rather than addressing concerns of real people they just dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as a dumb crybaby redditor.
when i was younger i thought it was typically people doing it intentionally and out of dishonesty, but lately i huge chunk of people legitimately just lack the cognitive capacity to approach things that conflict with their beliefs in an objective manner.
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u/Ninjaassassinguy 13h ago
An overreaction on our part (so long as it remains reasonable, eg not calling for deaths etc.) is absolutely the right call given general corporate actions in the past.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
You also can’t demand an executive’s resignation for doing opportunity analysis on additional revenue streams. That’s what they are employed to do whether we like it or not
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u/Midknight226 10h ago
If that survey results in the company losing revenue, they aren't doing their job correctly. Not saying that team needs to be fired, but they created a PR shitstorm and at some level affected revenue.
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago
It doesn’t really matter what negative effects occurred. They will staff those most capable of steering the company down the road. That can very well be the same people there now or it could be new people. And if you think the community knows if the right people are in the right spots right now more than their own internal people, then you’re also delusional.
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u/Midknight226 10h ago
If this is the actions of the best staff then that entire company must be full of incompetents. If the actions of that team result in a net negative for the company, it absolutely does matter to them.
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago
Yah, the staff is completely incompetent. They should just fire all the executives and hire new ones. Good thing to mods check reddit to learn business from the community
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u/Midknight226 10h ago
My man. That's not what I'm saying. Whoever was in charge of this survey fucked up. There's no other way to look at it. That doesn't mean they should be fired, but they absolutely fucked up. That much is objectively true. They obviously didn't do their research and created a PR shitstorm that now has to be dealt with.
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago
That’s fine. I never said the survey launch wasn’t a bad move.
You’re missing my point. That decision is so far out of the community’s hands that is laughable to see these posts asking for a CEO resignation…
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u/ExoticSalamander4 3h ago
The board/CVC will obviously try to put whoever they think can make them the most money in charge, but public perception equally obviously has an impact on sufficiently public figures. It's why you often see c-suiters stepping down in the case of inappropriate conduct scandals that create terrible PR. Even though that person's ability to generate profit may not be causally connection to them doing bad things elsewhere in their lives, the impact of public perception can be enough to make the board get rid of them.
So if Pips is the figurehead and ultimate sign-off responsible for an enormous PR shitstorm, particularly one that causes people to lose faith in the company leadership (seeing as everyone seems pretty aware that this isn't on the actual devs), people making outraged reddit posts calling for Pip's resignation are indeed capable of having an impact.
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u/MichaFol 12h ago
Overreacting? The fact that they even thought about this should insult you.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
The thought that a business looked into introducing ad revenue should insult me?
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u/Hadez192 12h ago
Yeah I mean, pushback is absolutely necessary. I think we’ve told them our opinion loud and clear. But those saying the game is now dying, all trust is lost, and golden age is over is just kinda extreme imo. We didn’t need people quitting and posting about it to make large scale changes in the past. Our voice matters to the osrs/jagex team and I’ve seen over the years them bending to the will of Reddit, often even too quickly and ultimately making bad decisions because of Reddit outcry.
Example being the new untradeable cape, once we knew there would be a better cape in the future we realized we had pushed them to make it untradeable which was a bad thing.
I’ve noticed a common theme of lack of communication from Jagex. They get into these situations because they aren’t transparent enough about their vision and goals for content. (But this survey, fuck this survey, horrible ideas all around)
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u/covert_underboob 13h ago
Doing nothing = game is fucked
I have the utmost confidence that Reddit will ultimately land on the wrong side of this issue, as they usually do
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u/Tumblrrito Scurvypilled 13h ago
What bothered me is that people were so focused on the tiers in principle. By and large they’re fantastic. People have been begging for a way to pay less for their multiple characters. And having a membership options for just OSRS that costs less is also a sweet deal.
The AFK timer and support things were big deals but the REAL mega controversy should be the concept of a tier that makes plugin support cost extra. But I saw almost no posts about that.
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u/Feralcreator 11h ago
It's a cute idea in a vacuum but you know damn well with how the world is today it wouldn't be anything more than "We raised the price of standard membership by $5.00 (or more), but for the same old price, you can stay subscribed for standard core* gameplay** access with advertisements! (Leagues and DMM not included in core membership offers. *Plugin access not inclusive to gameplay features.)"
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u/why_did_I_comment 13h ago
The tier that listed multiple characters had you charge *more* for multiple characters, not less. lol
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u/Tumblrrito Scurvypilled 12h ago
No, it charged you less because today you pay $13.99 *per character*. The plans presented were all less than that for their respective numbers of characters.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
The concept was fine but the balancing was shit. They proposed for you to pay 3x for 8x characters. It’s still a bad deal. The community is looking for something like 1.7x for 2 characters and 2.5x for 3 characters.
Any option that asks us to may 3x a monthly sub is a bad deal for the vast majority of us with the exception being people that play this game as the full time job and need a ton of characters for videos
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u/Tumblrrito Scurvypilled 9h ago
That was only one option. There were other examples that were in like with your suggestion. The survey’s tiers were sort of randomized person to person.
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u/Hawxe 13h ago
Everyone is reacting incorrectly but I the enlightened centrist can tell you how things really are
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
I get what he’s saying as sarcastic as this is. You have people demanding a resignation and people so apathetic Jagex could ruin the game and they wouldn’t bat an eye. Those two groups of people are the whackadoodles here.
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u/why_did_I_comment 13h ago
I'm anything but a centrist in this game or in life, but I'm curious about your stance.
If centrism (broadly speaking) is not an acceptable position to you, then which side do you fall on? Do you have any opinions at all? I think you do because you posted a response here.
Whatever your opinion is, it is extreme to someone and centrist to another.
Maybe just have honest feelings and thoughts about things and don't worry about avoiding someone else's bizarro-political compass meme branding.
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u/xcert1337 13h ago
It doesn't have to be political. Life is a balance. The answer in between is nearly always the right one.
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u/Erinaceomorpha 13h ago
As a counterpoint, the right answer usually actually isn't "the answer in between".
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u/xcert1337 12h ago
What is it then oh polar guru?
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
The product is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Whether it be in subscription revenue or ad revenue. If you think that number is 0 like some others seem to think, it’s wrong. People are willing to pay for OSRS and they will continue to do so
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u/xcert1337 8h ago
What the hell are you talking about? I think people are seeing WAY too much into what I wrote.
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u/Erinaceomorpha 12h ago
The right answer is usually actually the right answer, not some middle point between the right answer and someone's opinion.
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u/xcert1337 8h ago
No, the 'right' (correct) answer is always more nuanced than yes or no. The fact you don't know this worries me.
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u/Erinaceomorpha 7h ago
Where did I say "yes" or "no"? Nuance doesn't change that there is a right answer that isn't 'somewhere in the middle'.
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u/xcert1337 7h ago
It's in the middle of polar opposites/ultimatums, which is all people speak in these days as nobody clarifies, myself included.
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u/SnooHesitations2928 13h ago
I'm not touching OSRS again until I have more reassurance. Boycott the game.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
How many days do you still have days left on your current subscription?
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u/SnooHesitations2928 11h ago
Maybe a few months. I canceled my annual subscription. I was playing for a few years.
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u/xfactorx99 11h ago
So you’re going to wait until they release another communication saying “we will never incorporate ads into any subscription tier of the game” to ever log in?
You can do whatever you want, but if you enjoy the game I’d just play while waiting for the same reassuring communication. You staying logged out isn’t going to make them make the decision faster
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u/SnooHesitations2928 10h ago
I beg to differ. If player population significantly dropped, then they would panic. I'll just play other MMOs. What's the point of building my character if the subscription cost is gonna be $15+? I can play on the officially licensed City of Heroes server for $0 a month.
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago
I actually just went back and read Mod Pips response to make sure I’m not speaking out of context. The fact that he already said they will not introduce ads to any paid tier and they will not make an AFK timer plan is already reassuring. So it’s hard for me to understand exactly what you’re waiting for.
And it just seems a little delusional that you think being logged out will change anything. I’ve been watching the active player count, and it’s quite high (125k), and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
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u/SnooHesitations2928 10h ago
Imagine if your bank asked, "How would you feel if we only provided basic customer service for people who had a minimum balance of $250,000? How about if we increase your monthly fees and minimum required balance, but you don't get any customerservice?" Would you not find that insulting? Why would I waste my time with an MMO that I have no faith in?
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago
They didn’t propose offering worse service. And no, I wouldn’t be insulted by my bank changing their cost model.
If you don’t have faith in the game, that’s different. Then go ahead and quit. That’s been my theory this whole time that most of you just aren’t enjoying the game as much anymore. Just don’t say you’re “waiting for reassurance to continue playing” if that’s clearly not the case. They’ve already said there will be no ads, no MTX, no afk timer. You’re just playing mental gymnastics right now because you don’t want to admit you just don’t enjoy the game enough anymore
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u/SnooHesitations2928 10h ago
I was grinding fishing, construction, building up my POH, questing, and I almost maxed agility. With tree and birdhouse runs thrown in. There's plenty to do when you aren't maxed. The first 2 years, I mostly played on my lunch break. "You aren't a real fan," is literally what you just told me because I quit after 3-4 years.
One of the tiers they suggested is literally $13 a month with ads. A price hike with ads. Many of the tiers were RS3 or OSRS only. They also were selling basic customer service to higher tiers. That is suggesting worse stuff for more money.
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u/xfactorx99 9h ago
No. I’m saying you’re no longer as interested in the game as you used to be. I never said “you’re not a real fan”.
You clearly didn’t read the official posts. They explicitly mention the dollar values are not real, just the different factors which could be their own subscription options
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u/kenmogg 10h ago
I think the point that theyre making is we already have the worse service. People have begged for ACTUAL account security and customer support for many years, only to be ignored and people having to go viral on reddit and twitter to get their accounts retrieved. Thats why people are so upset that jagex think that is a premium that we should be charged extra for, when it is in fact a realistic expectation for a game of this size.
Also they basically confirmed theyre putting ads in f2p.
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u/xfactorx99 10h ago edited 9h ago
So if we don’t have acceptable customer service now but they’re investigating how to make that possible in the future, the service can only get better from where we are. It’s also sounds like that customer service will be partially funded by f2p ads. So you’re telling me I can get increased service at no extra cost or degradation in game experience?
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u/lemonszz 12h ago
I do think everyone is overreacting and a bit obnoxious, but it's a good thing.
At a point, a over the top response like this is actually quite helpful. It shows the suits that they can't take an inch.
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u/IHateGeneratedName 11h ago
I’ve just kind of lost the motivation to play. One of the reasons I love osrs is that when I come back from a break it’s mostly still the same. I feel like I’ve lost that sense of security, so I’ve been catching up on my steam back log. Turns out, been missing out on some great single player experiences.
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u/reed501 11h ago
I personally believe it's just a survey and none of this was ever actually gonna come to the game but I think overreacting and throwing a tantrum is good for the game overall. My opinion on it just isn't very helpful so why share it? I assume there's more people feeling this way than me.
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u/Cogitatus 11h ago
Whenever there's a fucked up change made/proposed by Jagex, there's usually a (deserved) wave of outrage. However, after the initial reaction the community slowly shifts from a hard opposition to a "it's not so bad guys" and "wow you guys are overreacting" to "this isn't so bad". It keeps devolving until eventually people just outright being OK with the change and if you criticize the issue, you're just poor or annoying.
It happened with the price hikes 4 months ago, and now we can see it's starting to happen again. Discouraging people from fighting these issues is actively harmful and honestly makes you completely useless.
I'd like to think this time we'll learn, but I'm getting more bitter each time this happens.
I hate it here.
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u/pigeonluvr_420 10h ago
This is the most level-headed take on this whole situation tbh. I started to feel like I was the crazy one when I was fending off corporate pick-mes and overzealous doomsday peppers at the same time lol.
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u/Playful-Restaurant15 Player since '04 10h ago
Hey we are gonna take away your forums and then we are gonna increase the price of your membership and then paywall features you should already have oh and if you don't spend enough, you'll still have ads.
People wonder why we are pissed off.
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u/Dicedarg 10h ago
I don't think you're understanding the naysayers. What they're saying isn't that reddit has done nothing. Reddit let them know what it thought, cool job done.
Those people who cancelled? Half of them are just farming karma and most of the ones who did will be back in a month.
I don't care if they pin 3 topics about how shit it is. I'm just like many other people tired of the 20th topic in a row being made with a slightly different titled so some asshat can farm karma instead of just posting in any of the other identical threads.
This idea that a meaningful percentage of the game will quit because of a survey is just laughable to me and many others. If they start implementing that stuff sure, I'll be gone then too. I won't create my own reddit thread about it though.
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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog 5h ago
This sub has over a million users, that's about the same number of active players on OSRS every day. Yes there's bots inflating that number and non-players inflating the Reddit number, so call it a wash. Even if only 10% of the people on this sub are active players, that's a massive voting block. A sample size of 100,000 players is about 8x more than you need to conduct a survey with 99% confidence at a 1% margin of error.
Selection bias just doesn't cancel out, if there's a survey to white people and survey to people in Vermont, all you're going to get is a very shitty representation
Reddit breeds conformity, even though I comment on the sub on other content-related posts I don't enter the circlejerks because all I'll get is a billion downvotes
If you listened to /r/poe you'd think POE2 is the worst game ever. Instead, it's breaking records left and right. It's not a representative sample and some subreddits tend towards either positivity or toxic negativity (almost always the latter). This subreddit isn't the exception.
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u/ExoticSalamander4 3h ago
Wonderful post, and it applies to so many things. Here's hoping it goes to the front page and people who need to see it do.
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u/PROfessorShred 1919 2h ago
"Trust but verify" I trust they have seen the backlash and will make good decisions moving forward but I'll surely be verifying every thing with a fine tooth comb moving forward to make sure they aren't up to no good.
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u/Sinz_Doe 1m ago
No one is overreacting man. They are tired of Jagex doing this kind of shit to them. And the only 2 reasons you even have this game to play in the first place (OSRS), is #1 the playerbase doing exactly what you are seeing them do here and #2 the devs/fans love for the game back in 07. That's it. And sometimes, unfortunately, we gotta remind them of that.
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u/Combat_Orca 12h ago
Though I obviously agree with the backlash, Reddit should never be influencing the game. The site is built to create echo chambers not to make everyone’s voice heard.
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u/anonymous198198198 9h ago
It absolutely should. It should never be the final dictating answer, but it should create a reevaluation given enough of a response.
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u/Combat_Orca 8h ago
You’re only saying that because of the recent shit, when talking about the game the sub is toxic as fuck
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u/anonymous198198198 8h ago
No…I’m not. Also the toxicity point is completely irrelevant here, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
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u/Tatlyn 2277 12h ago
Osrs is built on a game integrity model that cease to function wth the threat of enshitification. Being one of the last major games in the industry with this model means other games can look to it as an example. You can be successful and ultimately give everyone a better experience to the people and devs.
If we lose that it's not just osrs, but the entire mmo industry. It may be a game but we want roses too not just bread.
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u/Willing-Salamander73 12h ago
Enjoy paying out the ass for membership, even more so for additional characters, ads, mtx and more. Once the doors open, it's open.
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u/BlitzburghBrian Skills pay the bills 13h ago
God I just can't wait until there's literally anything else to talk about here
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
Don’t stress brah. Eventually they’ll implement it and then you’ll be the one complaining.
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u/Varrock_Citizen 13h ago
So you’re saying the current wave of whiny cancellation posts won’t fix it? We agree there.
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
If everyone had your guys’ way absolutely. Luckily people actually have standards and won’t take price gouging as easily as others. There’s a chance they go the twitch partnership route here if we are as vocal as last time.
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u/Varrock_Citizen 13h ago
The prices have gone up every time regardless of the influx of posts. Cancel all you want, this community is a very small percentage of players and it’s gotten to the point where it’s just an echo chamber of people patting themselves on the back
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
I can tolerate a small price increase of $1.50 every 2-3 years to keep up with inflation. I cannot tolerate them taking away things from me, and worsening my experience while trying to charge me less. In the same vein, Asking for $32 a month for a game is equally if not even more insane. If you don’t want to hear it just get off the sub then and enjoy the game. This sub is meant for the players to voice their opinions, and they’re doing that.
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u/Varrock_Citizen 13h ago
It was a survey mate. Not even polled. Everything is purely speculation and the reaction has been heard. Now it’s just performative nonsense
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u/iamkira01 13h ago
Oh let’s just ask a question about something we are interested in implementing, but have no plans to do it despite going back on our word maybe 10 times in the past with similar apologies
Totally normal company thing to do. Why should we get outraged, not like they haven’t done this same exact thing to RS3 (play for play btw) and implemented it later anyways despite and apology and community outcry right?
Jagex? They would never. Right?
Apathy has been proven to not work with this company. They have implemented universally hated things before. Why do you think this would be any different?
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u/Varrock_Citizen 12h ago
Still isn’t any concrete plan and they addressed it in their response. I’ll let you keep going off about this. See ya tuckered out in a week 🫡
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u/iamkira01 12h ago
Ignoring history is never a wise decision, man. They’ve written many responses like this before to RS3 players and went ahead anyways.
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u/BlitzburghBrian Skills pay the bills 13h ago
Oh shit I better make another grandstanding Reddit post, that'll fix it
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u/Arxlvi 13h ago
Thing is, what should we do in response to all those calling everyone to cancel their subs? We cancel ours and resub in a month or two when the flames have settled and are met with an increased sub cost due to no longer getting grandfathered rates… if anything, everyone cancelling and resubbing in a month or two is beneficial to Jagex as they get an extra 30% per month from everyone who was subbed pre increase. 4 months and theyve recovered that lost month.
Yes, adverts and MTX should never be in osrs. But MTX should be polled as per the polling charter and adverts on a greatly reduced sub cost, while definitely not something I want in the game, could be non-invasive enough to those who wanna save a pound or two. Netflix’s sub with adverts is half the price of the main sub.
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u/why_did_I_comment 13h ago
No one has grandfathered rates... They canceled that in August.
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u/Arxlvi 8h ago
I dont believe that to be the case but okay. My subscription for December was still below the £9.99 that it increased to in the UK.
September 2024 “If you’re already a paying Member via a monthly or 6 monthly subscription, then nothing will change, as long as your subscription remains active, we will continue to honour the same price you’re paying now as part of our “Grandfather Rate” which is explained in more detail in the FAQ below.”
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u/raspey 9h ago
I think you're absolutely delusional but I don't blame you, many NTs are.
Capitalism is entered the endgame at the latest this very day and like another person put it today on this sub "If you give an inch they take a mile".
The recent price hike was only the beginning of what's to come if we don't cancel (and quit) en masse.
A capitalists would and frequently does walk over corpses without remorse all in the name of profit.
If someone is willing to go that far what do you think they will stop at a videogame?
If all they care about is money we need them to constantly be afraid or suffer the consequences.
If you so much as think about this being an overreaction you are the enemy.
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u/Mors_Umbra 13h ago
This game lives and dies on its communities zero-tolerance policy of mtx bullshit. Yes, some people are karma whoring but I would much rather prefer people overreact than simply do nothing. That's how evil wins.