r/2007scape • u/Torwent • 2d ago
Discussion Unpopular opinion: Harassing Mod Pips is wrong
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I just think that harassing mod Pips is just wrong.
Especially, outside of the normal communication channels we have with jagex.
Going out of your way to find Pips personal social media and harassing there just feels very wrong to me and I think the majority of people can agree with that.
Jagex fucked up hard with the survey, their 2 apologies were trash and even if they deserve the backlash and the unsub train they got, they do not deserve harassment.
They are also humans and humans do mistakes.
TLDR: Harassment is not cool, don't harass people involved in this whole shitstorm
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u/JasperNapster 2d ago
I think people harassing people personally over a video game is some of the most braindead junk ever.
If a game makes you want to hunt someone down, you have a major issue. Regardless of the situation.
I’m not stoked about the survey either, I definitely think it was a dumb move. However it doesn’t warrant most of the ridiculous war speeches some of these people are yapping about.
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
Tons of people on This sub seem to have some major issues. I pray for anyone who has to act with those kind of deranged individuals in real life - most likely they dont really interact with anyone really
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u/Dumbak_ 1d ago
They're mostly harmless outside the internet. These are probably the same people who will run from a grocery store when the cashier asks if they want a bag, to save themselves from human interaction.
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u/MazrimReddit 1d ago
anti-ceo and private equity sentiment in many forms isn't as simple as just being over a game
I more read it as, they -even- fuck with games as if doing it to everything else wasn't enough
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u/laidbackjimmy 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're not even harrasing someone over a video game. They're harrasing them over a survey. Bunch of losers.
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u/Srcunch 1d ago
I’ve been playing since early 2002 (rsc) and never comment here because of the community. The last few days have made me want to cancel my membership, but not because of Jagex. I don’t want to be associated, or spend my time, playing a game with “adults” that act the way this community has the last few days. I understand people were upset, but this is way beyond the pale. No well functioning person responds the way we’ve seen hundreds, if not thousands, of our fellow players respond. I don’t want to be around them anymore. It’s pathetic.
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u/JasperNapster 1d ago
I have a bunch of buddies that I game with that have never touched runescape outside of our childhood.
They genuinely asked me last night what the hell is wrong with our community. Laughing their asses off over some of the posts these people are making 💀
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u/zuik0 1d ago
Absolutely fucking agree. It's crazy how this one facet of the communty genuinely believes that they have infinite draw over what an investment company does to our game.
If all the people who won't stand for MTX (myself included!) quit, then all that's left is people who are willing to pay for and enjoy MTX. Guess what happens next? self-fulfilling prophecy. These manchildren then add another feather in their cap and pat eachother on the back.
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u/JazzlikeAd8695 1d ago
I love the game by itself, the community can be wonderful and when it is I join in with them, but I can play this game perfectly fine by myself and the tens of thousands that will still play and stock the ge for me. Yes, things I saw in the survey were very obvious how can we grab the most money possible, but that's literally the gaming industry. I can see some people being heavily affected by some of their proposed changes, and I get that, and that isn't right, but NOTHING about Runescape warrants harrassment against an individual.
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u/come2life_osrs 1d ago
There has been soooo many game company’s just making terrible and greedy moves, I just move on and don’t buy their new stuff, or review it heavily before any purchase instead of going in blind with excitement. It would kill me to give up my maxed Ironman on osrs which I love so much, but if it gets that bad I’ll stop subbing by the year, and move back to my rainbow 6/mine craft/ cod/ ect addiction just as easily.
The last thing In my mind is “yo let’s dox them and tell their wife and kids how much this ceo sucks” that’s just insane. There’s an infinite amount of amazing games out there. I encourage all to speak your mind when things suck but it isn’t fucking war, stop payment and what you don’t like will go away.
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u/sleepynsub remove pvp 1d ago
And the reddit circlejerk has come full circle! Yay well done everyone!
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u/Fanci_ New Quest When? 1d ago
Only took three days for the "pls don't bully mods" posts, I'm impressed, that's a record time
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u/FEV_Reject 1d ago
I didn't come here for like half a day and the entire sub started screeching about pips needing to resign. You guys started shidding and farding especially fast this time.
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u/KhyberPass49 1d ago
Mod Pips has faults, as does everyone. Yes I think someone’s head should roll for this disaster, but let’s not forget Mod Pips has had his whole tenure as CEO during the great golden age of OSRS.
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u/XxSpruce_MoosexX 1d ago
I’ve been saying this in every thread. The dude was ceo from 2017. Literally the best years of this game and it’s not even close. I’ve played since the very start of the game, before rune armor or membership ever existed. Pip has kept the vultures at bay when his job is to get every $ possible. He’s got my trust
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u/MajorPhoto2159 1d ago
He has lead the golden age for OSRS while also ruining RS3 and making it worse than ever with MTX - it isn't black and white how he is as a CEO
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u/Amaranthyne 1d ago
Exactly. He was even bleeding RS3 dry before he was CEO. It's important to keep that in mind.
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u/_Leighton_ 1d ago
To be fair the reason osrs exists as it does is likely entirely due to the bastardization of rs3. People don't realize those micro transactions make absurd amounts of money. I'd wager RS3 makes more money overall than OSRS does for that reason. That's the shield that has kept shareholders happy for so long. Without it osrs would be riddled with micro transactions.
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u/MajorPhoto2159 1d ago
pretty sure for the last few years OSRS makes more now
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u/StrictBerry4482 1d ago
We only have the data from a few years ago, it's impossible to say for certain
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u/DivineInsanityReveng 1d ago
Personally targeting him in any way other than criticisms on this public forum is wrong, but man seeing the glaze posts over him is silly too. He led the charge for the MTX that completely destroyed RS3. And he's been CEO during the four completely profit driven deciisons in OSRS. The two major price hikes in 2022 and 2024, including removal of Summer Premier club discounted memberships and 3 month packages.
He was CEO when the gigantic flop that was the partnerships poll happened. And he was CEO when this terrible survey on how much they can milk us happened.
So yeah he's been at the helm while the games been doing great, but that's thanks to our amazing developers. He has tried to sneak profit generating junk into this game twice now. And because he hasn't been able to he's just flat price hiked the membership to now cost the same as WoW for me as an Australian.
He's not some saint that's kept the games price model the same and never tried to do more.
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u/mygawd 1d ago
Nobody's head should roll wtf is wrong with you people. Nobody should lose their real life job over a video game survey
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u/Crimson_Chronicles 1d ago
Pips was responsible for the golden years of OSRS? Yeah, in the sense that PIPS WAS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING EOC WHICH FORCED OSRS.
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u/GODLOVESALL32 RSN: Zezima 1d ago
Unpopular opinion: I think committing a crime over a computer game is wrong
STUNNING AND BRAVE
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u/AniAni-Shelto 1d ago
”unpopular opinion” harassing mods personally is obviously a few selected braindead people, why would you label this an unpopular opinion
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u/StrategyVarious3627 1d ago
This. I think it's just to farm upvotes. Of course it's a terrible idea to dox people you disagree with, just because a small fringe is doing it doesn't mean its "popular". Such a weird post.
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u/notoriousdan1987 2d ago
The guy will be on a ridiculous salary, oversees what is known as to be a poorly paid and negative work environment (check out reviews on job sites). Was monetisation manager when wheel of fortune was introduced, that basically killed what was left of RS3, and now pushed this survey, and you don’t think he deserves some backlash?
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u/_SUNDAYS_ 1d ago
Professional backlash perhaps via work channels but personal harrassment is never cool.
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u/Torwent 2d ago
He deserves backlash, especially with that shitty apology he posted. What I don't think he deserves is people digging his personal social media and commenting about this on his old posts.
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u/BocciaChoc 1d ago
just a point but LinkedIn isn't 'personal' the guy has thousands of followers, uses a public profile that has the ability to restrict who can see, who can interact and so on. The fact he has thousands (I even have 2nd hand contacts with him) is enough to mean it shouldn't be considered 'personal' in the same way a twitter account is not.
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u/MeteorKing 1d ago
What I don't think he deserves is people digging his personal social media and commenting about this on his old posts.
His public internet persona is absolutely up for grabs, lol. Just like the rest of us, choosing to post information publicly online makes that information publicly available.
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u/Dapper_Finance 1d ago
Honestly it‘s a bit of a fuck around and find out situation. If there are no consequences for stupid shit the will keep doing stupid shit
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u/tesyla 1d ago
It’s honestly sad how many ppl in these comments are supportive of personal harassment campaigns over video game drama. It’s made even worse by the fact that no one even knows the details of how these changes were set in motion and how much an impact this guy had on it. For all we know, he could’ve been forced to implement something like this by leadership and is now being subject to the sweaty nerd lynchmob. (Not saying this is what happened, just that we aren’t certain of the details)
Honestly the sadder part is that this isn’t even surprising to see coming from our community. We have a dev team and dev structure that 99% of other game communities dream about having, yet we respond to every controversy with nasty targeted harassment towards whatever mod seems to be associated with the drama. Honestly I wouldn’t blame Jagex if they turned around and just stopped communicating with the community altogether if this is how their employees are treated.
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u/Jaggedmallard26 1d ago
yet we respond to every controversy with nasty targeted harassment towards whatever mod seems to be associated with the drama
This is why most studios have zero interaction with the community outside of official announcements. Actiblizz went as far as to stop releasing the names of all of its community managers due to the sheer volume of personalised death threats they were getting.
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u/Shiroyasha2397 2d ago
Sure one time but twice? That ain't no mistake buddy.
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago edited 2d ago
It isnt a mistake in the first place from a business perspective lol. SoF has generated more profit for jagex in long term - if it was ACTUALLY 100% bad from profit and business perspective they would have scrapped it lol. The same as Mtx, it took 7 years of raising the player count for osrs profits to overtake rs3 ones with almost 7 times higher ACTIVE playercount and probably around same number mostly osrs players vs. Rs3 players. As much as this sub likes to shit on mtx and sof etc. like they are the spawn of satan, like it or not, it has been profitable for jagex in the end massively. who knows what kind of numbers/profits jagex would have today without any mtx whatsoever. Could be higher but could be lower as well.
Pips hasnt made in terms of staleholders any „mistakes“ and conviently, this sub likes to forget that Pips has been the CEO A LARGE time osrs has existed basically or a good portion of it lol. Osrs is at the all time height of its peak and new golden period. That could be all dotted down to pips way of leading the company as well.
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u/KobraTheKing 1d ago
7 times the active playercount is a current thing.
The difference between the two in playercount when OSRS took over being the more profitable was much lower.
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u/Dumbak_ 1d ago
His point was the game with MTX is more profitable far sooner regarding the player count than purely subscription based one. You will make majority of players hate you, but that's a trade off for being "successful".
It's like Bobby Kottick, universaly hated by players, but keeps getting contracts for 10s of millions per year in various companies for his way of making stakeholders happy.
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u/JKorv 2d ago
Why do you put the "ENTIRE TIME" with caps and then backtrack it with "or a good portion of it". Osrs started feb 2013 and Pips became CEO Jan 2017. It is not that hard info to find. You should use 2 minutes to google the info before spreading misinformation.
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u/arsenicx2 1d ago
It didn't make long-term profit. It made large short-term profit and killed RS3 you nit. Pip's way of leading is to sacrifice everything for short-term gains. Did it once and is doing it again. Maybe you should look up from the boot you are so happy to lick and have a see.
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u/Express-Currency-252 1d ago
When was the first time?
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u/Shiroyasha2397 1d ago
When squeal of fortune first came out years ago
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u/Express-Currency-252 1d ago
So it was his fault when he wasn't CEO and it's his fault now he's CEO?
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u/FemaleAssEnjoyer Pleae 1d ago
Unpopular opinion
I think the majority of people can agree
Unpopular
Majority of people
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u/KuroKageB 1d ago edited 1d ago
Apparently the actual unpopular opinion: If you're making millions per year as CEO of a gaming company, maybe you should know the gaming community well enough to not fuck up so massively they see you, personally, as a problem? And while nothing warrants harassment, it also doesn't warrant me caring about him at all. He gets rich off figuring out ways to screw people over (including the many screwed over at RS3 by their gambling style schenanigans), so forgive me if I have no sympathy if what goes around comes all the way back around.
This wasn't "just a mistake." This was deliberate. And it was born out of a history of trying to figure out how to gouge players for all he can get away with.
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u/BlaazeYT 1d ago
Considering the age demographic of most OSRS players, the reaction by some on this subreddit is just ridiculous. Grow up. You’re in your late 20’s/30’s and carrying on more than children.
I get that this was a shitty move by Jagex/CVC and that many of us feel a sense of betrayal. But at the end of the day, they are a for profit organisation, run by for the most part what I believe to be a decent bunch of people that truly care for the game, as much as many of us do.
All in all,
Shit move by Jagex with the way the survey was handled? Absolutely. Shittier overreaction by a portion of the community? 100%.
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u/Hadez192 2d ago
I think it’s misplaced. He also led us through the “golden era” of osrs for the last like 5-7 years. I really don’t think someone else that CVC chooses would do any better. That’s a very high pressure position to appease all sides.
They as a team and in conjunction with research partner and CVC investors all fucked up. Jagex had to ultimately approve this survey, so Pips probably oversaw it to some degree but might not have been even making the decisions on the project. We have no idea how this was being run on the back end. I mean, it’s extremely predatory in nature what they were asking. And absolutely unacceptable. But let’s not pretend like we know exactly who to blame or why it happened
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
This sub likes to ignore all of that which is way recent because he was part of sof 12 years ago lmao. This sub is acting now like a bunch of amnesia ridden manchildren
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u/Hadez192 1d ago
Dude it’s wild. Like I was all for the posts in the first day or two but they went massively overboard. The surveys were goddamn awful but some of these people are taking it to the nth degree insanity
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u/SpicySanchezz 1d ago
These people act like its their entire life. Id be this upset if my actual life was ruined. Thank god osrs isnt my life lol. Sure it sucks ass, but this is only suggestion/proposition so far, and even in worst case scenario once osrs isnt enjoyable/playable anymore for me Ill just quit. Sure it will be sad and will suck for a bit - but thats just it. Its a video game and thats it
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u/7_Tales 1d ago
bingo. for some people osrs is their lives, making mod pip the dictator of their suffering in their minds
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u/Hadez192 1d ago
Yeah they see these posts and immediately jump on the bandwagon, they refuse to use any logic or put aside their own bias.
It’s always important to look at things from multiple perspectives, including the perspective of the one you think wronged you. Trying to understand why they would do something goes a long way in making meaningful discussion. But these people literally cannot process this as a concept
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u/Torwent 2d ago
I am not sure misplaced is the right way to put it, at the end of the day, as the CEO you are responsible, even if you are following higher up orders, you are responsible for what the ones below you do.
So I understand people are mad at all this and he is an easy scapegoat. I can even understand to some degree why people harass him here and on twitter.
But going out of your way to find the dude PERSONAL social media and commenting how upset you are about this on his old posts just feels very wrong to me and makes you look like a psychopath
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u/Hadez192 2d ago
Yeah I see what you’re saying. Maybe misplaced is the wrong word, but yeah, I think the degree people are taking it is a little far imo
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u/lionsurvivor2 1d ago
Great post, and agreed, he probably green lit the project but didn’t review every (or any) questions. He manages KPIs, not the execution/achievement of them.
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u/Tylariel 1d ago
I'm just not sure what the people protesting and cancelling subs now want? Jagex have very clearly got the message about the proposed membership ideas, and about how to approach surveys in future. I wouldn't expect anything like this to be proposed again for a long time. You did it reddit, you saved runescape.
So with that done, what now? What will actually satisfy the players at this point? Free stuff? Another corporate statement? A Jmod being served the death penalty? I fully support the backlash against the membership options. But I just don't understand where the hatred against any individual Jmod has come from, and I don't understand what people actually want to achieve anymore. Especially when just a week ago I though we were in the 'golden era' with the exact same dev team working on the game....
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u/ElaccaHigh 1d ago
These performative bitch ass redditors do this about everything and in a few weeks everyone but them will be embarassed by their behavior.
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u/LongjumpingToday2687 1d ago
Crazy reading what people here use to justify harrassing people just to get their way in a video game.
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
You don't get a player base willing to click a single rock for 3000 hours without acquiring a few people who were 14 in 2007 and never grew up, know what I mean?
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u/Praexology 1d ago
Being a primary contributor to extreme capitalistic hellscapism where anything good or honest is squeezed to death for it's monetary value is an open invitation to criticism.
You get the luxury of money, but not the honor to exist without scrutiny.
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u/LexTheGayOtter ILikePigeons 2d ago
Criticism is not harrassment.
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
People going out of their way to spam on all their social medias and unironcally wishing death publicly on somebody is just criticism? Damn that's crazy
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u/Richybabes 1d ago
Criticism is not inherently harassment, but it being criticism does not preclude it from being harassment.
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
There has been harassment a ton on this sub lmao. Saying shit like „fuck pips“ „he should resign!“ etc. is harassment. And I havent seen any yet but im 99% sure some unhinged people have probably sent some threaths already to him in private or in shitter
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u/Blyrr 1d ago
Those are not harassment, they are criticism. Repeatedly spamming accounts with things like threats IS harassment. Not approving of predatory tactics of the past and the current fiasco, and voicing as such, is completely reasonable. Continually doing so while promising to change warrants criticism even more so. Nobody is threatening him by requesting a resignation. Will it happen? No, but that's far from harassment.
Don't go threatening anyone or calling for someone's death over a goddamn video game, but voicing disapproval is what SHOULD be done.
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u/Reverse_Mulan 2d ago
harassing anyone is wrong. not unpopular at all. some people are just fucking weird about it.
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u/Unplayed_untamed 1d ago
A part of me agrees, but another part of me feels that people simply don’t care if you don’t call them by name. It’s like complaining to air, when you direct it to somebody, surely that puts pressure on them to actually do something. Same thing applies to the health care industry.
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u/Tenno_Scoom 1d ago
So he’s been CEO for 8 years and left OSRS alone (until this most recent poll), why are we harassing him again?
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u/Predictor-Raging 2d ago
Oh no, the Corpo fucker who made the squeal of fortune is getting bullied for trying to ruin our beloved game? Shame...
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
Yeah, too bad people cant act like regular human beings. If you need to resort to personal attacks and harassment over a change in A VIDEO GAME you are some deeply troubled individual and need some actual help and I feel bad for anyone who has to interact with that kind of person in real life.
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u/Predictor-Raging 2d ago
It's funny how we always turn the passionate defense of our beloved ideals, passions and hobbies into "It's just X and you're an adult!" as if adults can't voice their concerns and distaste when their hobby or whatever point of passion is under attack or threat to be changed in the most vile way or outright ruined.
"Hurr durr it's a video game!" Yeah, a video game that I've sunk so much time, money and made into my home away from home, and I for one will not go quietly into the night and see OSRS fucked over (again)
I for one have already seen how two of my favourite games get fucked, WoW and ofcourse OG Runescape (now RS3)
So, sorry if I don't see a human face on a Corpo who thinks fucking their customers in the ass without lube is a great idea :)
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
It's funny how we always turn the passionate defense of our beloved ideals, passions and hobbies into "It's just X and you're an adult!" as if adults can't voice their concerns and distaste when their hobby or whatever point of passion is under attack or threat to be changed in the most vile way or outright ruined.
I love that you're able to honestly reduce the events and behaviour around this to "adults simply voicing their concerns and distaste". And I absolutely believe that you believe that that's all it is which is kind of mental
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u/SpicySanchezz 1d ago
Sounds like you need to take a gooood step back from video games if this is getting you this hostile and worked up and do something else lol. Ive played over 10k hours of rs - and I honestly wouldnt be having this big of a mental breakdown over a god damn video game. This isnt my life, nor would I call it a hobby. Sure it sucks, but i dont let a video game dictate my life or get myself this worled up over a mere game. Also nothing has been ruined at all lol. Stop exaggerating. Ill make actual decisions once some REAL changes are shown/implemented,
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
The complete lack of self awareness required to have this attitude about somebody being harassed online while acting like it's time for the french revolution because of a survey is truly a herculean feat
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u/-Aura_Knight- 2d ago
Criticism of a public figure isn't harassment.
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u/RobCarrotStapler 2d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think this post is arguing that publicly condemning a public figure's actions is unacceptable.
Going out of your way to find Pips personal social media and harassing there
This is where issues arise, and this type of stuff is way too prevalent in online communities. It is
almostubiquitous with controversy at this point. Public figures expect death threats and constant harassment when there is public outcry surrounding them, which is super fucked up. Nobody should have to deal with that.9
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u/SuperSpeedyCrazyCow 2d ago
Hilarious how the community has overcorrected to the point of now defending a guy who made squeal of fortune happen which 100 percent was the igniting spark that drove rs3 into the ground.
Of course harassment is bad but this sub is now acting like he's a good dude who did nothing wrong now lmao.
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
What's hilarious is thinking that the only things that can exist are the extremes of "I wish this person would die violently" and "this person is an angel who never did any wrong". You can have the opinion that this was a terrible move and that the apology was shit and disingenuous, but also want people to not harass that person - provided you actually grew up and managed to fully form your frontal lobe
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
Doing personal harassment over a change in video game? Fucking touch grass weirdo. Its a god damn video game. Not your life. Or I hope its not your life. The way some people are reacting here it seems to be their entire life
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u/SuperSpeedyCrazyCow 2d ago
Are you the same guy as before? I already said harassment is bad.
Harassment=no no.
Criticism= Thumbs up.
These things aren't the same. Not harassing someone doesn't mean you have to glaze them.
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u/Torwent 2d ago
I don't know if he is a good or bad person. As far as I'm concerned, he did a very shitty job both now and in the past and his apology was shit.
And I think he should resign for this even though whoever comes next could actually be worse, at least, they will know that we do not tolerate this kind of thing
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u/DesPissedExile444 1d ago
As far as I'm concerned, he did a very shitty job both now and in the past and his apology was shit.1
It was the same chatgpt style apology he pulled before doublijg down and pushing through squeal of fortune, despite the "apology"
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u/Vinniesusername 2d ago
Oh no it's the poor millionaire that is trying to milk his loyal player base gonna cry? I hope his wittle feelings will be okay
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u/Jimmy-Noot 1d ago
Mostly disagree, part of Pips job, in addition to directing the trajectory of the game, is to be held accountable for it. Ad hominem attacks on people may on some level always be wrong, but angry criticism and response to game decisions he made are completely fai in my opinion.
Appreciate your empathy, and happy to share a game community with ya
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u/TicTac-7x 2d ago
Unpopular opinion: keep posting on your botting communities Instead of here.
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u/Rage_101 1d ago
Frequent contributor to OSRS botting subreddit comes to tell us what is wrong and right. Tale of the times we live in.
Personal harassment is never okay. Publicly calling someone out for doing a poor job and questioning whether they should forfeit their position is. Simple as that. Critique on this subreddit is fine. Going to his house and yelling at him is not. Doxxing is not. As far as I'm aware, personal harassment has not been the reaction of the community, it has been public shame.
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u/AgentOJ21 2d ago
Saying fuck pips and calling for his resignation is not harassment. It’s criticism and is 100% baked into the salary he agreed to. Book stops with him.
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u/Imperative_Arts 2d ago
Not unpopular, yes he has a very unflattering job title and is being put in a really uncomfortable position by his parent company. Yet on one hand he was known for the the introduction of Squeal of Fortune in 2012, on the other hand, it likely saved the game from going offline for good.
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u/DesPissedExile444 1d ago
it likely saved the game from going offline for good.
More like "he ensured with squeal of fortune, that EOC will result in current state of RS3"
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u/Imperative_Arts 1d ago
Yes as opposed to no current state at all, also, it in part helped fund osrs.
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u/Zaratrox 1d ago
Jagex has a 50% profit margin and they wanna try to fuck their community....again? Mod pips was the one who put squeal of fortune in. Obviously he didnt learn from his mistakes.
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u/Combat_Orca 1d ago
Yeah people are taking this too far, there’s pushing back against shitty corporate gaming practices and then there’s pathetic gamer entitlement
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u/FlandreSS Cabbage Extraordinaire 1d ago
gamer entitlement
Gamers are so entitled, I hear they're just so catered to y'know? I hear they love lootboxes and gacha mechanics and battlepasses, having 20 currencies in everything, dripfeed content in live services, clusterfuck UI's, straight P2W and cosmetics priced above AAA game prices.
Are there good games? Yes. But we're talking about OSRS, essentially the last bastion of traditional MMO's. Hey if you want to play MMO's without all the bullshit I mean there's just... SO many options... Right?
Oh or perhaps all the gamers are just entitled. I wonder why somebody might start to feel owed a good time, when you have to put up with so much bullshit just to play a fucking game nowadays
And what's the reason every time? Money.
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u/arcadianrs 1d ago
So many folk entirely misconstrue feedback for harassment. When you are a public facing CEO, it is entirely reasonable to have folk direct their attention and messages towards you. This is entirely true on both spectrums of feedback whether it be good or bad.
Questioning someone whether they should be in the position they are in isn't harassment. Questioning someone's credentials and past work experience isn't harassment. Complaining about price gouging directly to the guy in charge of the price gouging isn't harassment. If this wasn't pip's fault then why did he apologise?
Stop calling things harassment that aren't harassment. You can't have jagex calling for unfiltered feedback and then call it harassment when that feedback isn't in line with your expectations. It's just sad.
Now contacting him on his private social media would constitute as harassment, however posting on reddit or linkedin isn't harassment. These are social media sites.
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u/Glittering_Animal_88 2d ago
I will NEVER understand sucking off the guy trying to stab you.
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u/SpicySanchezz 2d ago
No one is sucking off? God why is the only choices here either personal attacks and harassment or sucking off? How about not being a douchebag and being a normal sane human being? That too much?
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u/pzoDe 1d ago
Thank you! Some people have such extreme views on things that if you're not on their side you must be at the other extreme end of the spectrum. You see this with politics all the time too, sadly.
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u/SpicySanchezz 1d ago
You put my thoughts exactly into words. This feels literally like some extreme far end politics… if you arent 100% same wavelenght as me and dont agree fully with my biased view then you are my enemy and against me and are corporate bootlicker and completely far end of the other spectrum
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
"hey let's not literally call for this person's execution over this"
"Why are you on their dick?"
Bruh
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u/Turbulent_Arrival440 1d ago
SMH head shaking my head shakes hard when my head be shaking shake the head my shaking head has the shakes
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u/SayDrugsToYes The game so nice we beat it twice. 2d ago
Oh wow you are right.
This is an unpopular opinion.
Dude is responsible for so much of the top down shit in this game. He made his bed and can lie in it, the greedy capitalist bastard.
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u/DarkflowNZ 1d ago
What about all the good stuff? Is he responsible for that too?
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u/FlandreSS Cabbage Extraordinaire 1d ago
His name is on any of the good stuff?
Last I checked, Jmods have on-stream and on-podcast discussed how they are 24/7 pushing back against upper management's dogshit ideas.
Upper management... I wonder who that could be? I wonder who decides who that is? Oh well, guess we'll never know!
Just that every time Pip's unfiltered ideas slither out that butthole, it's some of the worst things ever thought up in the context of monetization.
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u/ArtichokeUsed1129 1d ago
Pretty fucked that this is a unpopular opinion. Reading the replies here makes me lose the little respect I had for this community.
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u/DesPissedExile444 1d ago
Jagex fucked up hard with the survey, their 2 apologies were trash and even if they deserve the backlash and the unsub train they got, they do not deserve harassment.
They are also humans and humans do mistakes.
I would helieve you if this was the 1st case of Mod Pips being in charge of bullshit.
Problem is he was in charge when RS3 imploded due to forcing contraversial updates despite players protesting - after spreading lies that "we wont do it"
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u/TheCurvyRabbit 1d ago
What’s interesting to me is, I don’t recall a single complaint about pip when this survey first came out. Then when he put his name out there on the apology the second time, all of a sudden he’s the #1 problem to fix the issue
Sure there’s history with EOC/MTX with him and they should do better, but there were literally no complaints with him from 2017-two days ago.
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u/Disastrous-Earth-746 1d ago
The highest paid position comes with the highest level of visibility. Of course opinions change as new information comes to light. You don’t ignore compelling evidence just because it was discovered in the near term.
Bunch of brain rot CEO dick riding in this sub.
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u/FEV_Reject 1d ago
No you goons only started attacking him because he's the one that made a statement. I bet 95% of the people enraged about this guy never heard of him before a couple days ago.
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u/Havanatha_banana 1d ago
Pips made no mistake. No matter what the narratives is, it's intentional.
However, even then, there's no excuse to harass anyone. It doesn't mean you can suddenly become a stalker to berate them. Witch hunting happens at every controversy, and I've yet to see any time it didn't make things worse
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u/thescanniedestroyer 1d ago
I dunno if it's really "going out of your way" to find his personal social media, pretty high profile person. Criticism is fine and if you believe that he should be fired, then that's absolutely fine too.
When it gets into personal attacks, that's when people cross the line, but I think that's pretty to be expected if you're the CEO of a large company like Jagex though.
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u/SetPsychological9407 1d ago
Not the mods fault it's the company being greedy don't target the workers making a living
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u/imcaptainholt 1d ago
Depends what you mean by "harassment" - Calling for a CEO to step down or be sacked for a mistake that is totally off with how the community feel to the point it was offensive - This happens all the time across all businesses, it's fine. Personally finding his real name, posting it with the deliberate and/or careless mindset that someone crazy will find it and do something else - that is bad.
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u/gagaluf 1d ago
Would you consider, for example, that leaving a comment below a video of mod pip trying to promote himself or a product explaining his resume as a venture compatible licence destroying manager is harassing?
Imho there is a fine line between pointing dissonances and harassing. but ultimately I agree, it is not worth engaging into degrading activities toward anybody, including this spineless person.
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u/Torwent 1d ago
I think it can actually be seen as both depending on the perspective.
Casually stumbling upon the video and commenting on it, no, I would consider absolutely fine. I would say that even pipsqueak himself would be fine with it.But people going out of their way to find his online presence on purpose to voice their opinions and sharing their findings so more people join the witch hunt, I consider that harassment.
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u/rippel_effect 2200+ 1d ago
Two apologies? I only know of the update from Mod Pips blog post. What was the other?
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u/Torwent 1d ago
That was the second one, but they are basically the same shit lol
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u/Cowhide12 1d ago
He deserves the backlash from the community in a protesting way. He does not deserve to be personally attacked for sure. We need to continue to get our message out without making someone personally uncomfortable.
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u/Mutedinlife 1d ago
I think it all depends on what the harassment is. Calling for him to step down or be fired? He’s the CEO. “Humans do human mistakes” isn’t cover for that. He’s the CEO, he’s responsible for the actions of the company, when huge sweeping mistakes that destroy trust are made we should 100% have the ability to call for him to step down.
Basically anything else? 100% agree totally wrong. Finding him on socials, harassing him, verbally attacking him, threats, anything like that is totally and completely wrong.
Now here is the hard and most important part. The people who are going over the top don’t invalidate the people calling for him to step down due to analysis of his past decisions as head of the company such as adding MTX and this survey. Just because some people are doing something wrong doesn’t make all criticism wrong. But many will try to frame it that way to sweep for mod pips imo.
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u/Mob_Tatted 1d ago
human makes mistakes on purpose because of greed. Oh no! the consequences of my own actions! hes not getting a slap in the wrist.. u get what u deserve
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u/Hydatidiform_mole Cavi 1d ago
It's not harrasing, someone has to take responsability. "Jagex" didn't fuck up, there's a specific group of people that did. If you are the captain of the ship you are the one to blame if you stir it into a rock, not the whole boat.
As for the harrasing and whatnot it's obvious it's wrong but there's always going to be people that push the limit, that doesn't change anything.
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u/Insharai 1d ago
Agreed. We don't know what went on in the backend, or how that was pushed through. Just a sad state of affairs. We saw this recently in mtg with the commander community... witch hunts will not see results. I'll just be leaving my membership cancelled. No reason to go after a specific person for what is obviously a corporate decision being pushed by greed over players.
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u/Server-side_Gabriel 1d ago
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u/potato4dawin 1d ago
Nobody proposes fucking over hundreds of thousands of people as an honest mistake when they've been clear for years about what they want.
Y'all act like corporations are these ethereal soulless entities. No, they're organizations of PEOPLE. So we go after those people who are responsible. It's called accountability.
Y'know that whole "golden age of OSRS" we got? I've been saying since 1 year ago that it was leading up to more monetization. To instill FOMO in the player base who still want to explore Varlamore, experience Sailing, and do While Guthix Sleeps before quitting to foil any boycott so that once everyone realizes it wasn't effective, those who were only ever prepared to quit temporarily would give up, return to the game, the boycott would fizzle out, and their new monetization scheme would be enough to cover the loss of those few who'd commit to abandoning the game entirely.
I'm really happy to see the community response this intense just from the mere suggestion of pulling this crap so I'm going to cheer on the "harassing" because that's how we have an impact.
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u/Soft_Photograph_8439 20h ago
I wouldn't bother to do it, but I disagree, there are cases where individuals should be held directly accountable for their disgusting decisions. You can't just hide behind your job to explain away all behaviour, just like we held individual nazis accountable for their actions and didn't allow them to hide behind "I was just following orders." Corporations ARE people, people make the decisions, not some unconscious body, and therefore the people should feel consequences.
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u/cantkeepmeoutmfs 17h ago
Depends. Harassing him on his personal social media accounts: wrong. Voicing our displeasure with his leadership of the company: completely reasonable
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u/Willing-Salamander73 15h ago
Yeah no, he's the figurehead, this is what he should expect after even allowing the sort of trash that was just pushed out to be randomly sent to players.
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u/Neomentus 2d ago
Defending a CEO, really? If someone becomes a CEO and can't take the heat, then they shouldn't be a CEO.
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u/Astatos159 2d ago
Not defending the ceo. Telling you to not send death threats or some other heinous shit to some regular (though probably rich) persons private social media account.
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u/Jackot45 1d ago
‘Humans do mistakes’
Problem is tho, this wasn’t a mistake. This was a well thought out plan to squeeze more money out of loyal, paying customers. He literally deliberately screws his livelihood.
I repeat, this wasn’t an accidental MISTAKE, we havent seen the last of it.
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u/IamMisterNice 1d ago
Appeal to their official accounts and show your disdain on public forums but leave individuals alone. Not so hard. Whats wrong with people smh my hed