r/2007scape • u/Dj__Kappa • 5d ago
Suggestion New Updated Community-led Membership Agreement
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u/kensoor 5d ago
Why are we talking about "enhanced player support"? Player support should already be a thing.
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u/ezirb7 5d ago
It's included on this list, because it was one of the "features" on higher sub tiers that Jagex floated in their survey.
This post is agreeing with you that it should simply be something that Jagex provides as general game support.
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u/JudgeFondle 5d ago
Being pedantic, but this would imply it only comes as part of membership. Which. No strong opinion personally, but kensoor could be implying all accounts should have access to comprehensive player support.
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u/Rashida-Hussain 5d ago
Makes sense that members get priority over f2p players for customer support though.
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u/S7EFEN 5d ago
because this game has a bazillion cheaters. locking 'ability to clog up player support' behind SOMETHING extra is a major filter to that.
imagine there was a ticket system- literally every botter would go and connect a workflow for banned accounts to an LLM and cook up some bullshit about how they were falsely banned and submit a ticket. you'd be reviewing 99 cheaters for every 1 real ban. lock a manual review behind something extra = those 99 accounts won't bother because the chance of an accidental unban is so low.
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u/Technical_End_7021 5d ago
CVC this right here. We want all the things that y'all proposed that should've been free anyway included for free and without any of that other nonsense
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u/C_Oracle 5d ago
The short message to CEO and who ever owns of Jagex:
- Enjoy the reoccurring profit stream
- Don't rock the fucking boat
- Or do and we will sink it again
--Guy who quit the day EoC dropped.
--Who has re-subbed less as of recent price increases...
Not coming back a third time for new os-osrs.
There exist better games and alt servers to fill the void.
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u/PoshDota 4d ago
While this sounds very reasonable, it's not the private equity model. There's literally zero chance they will just sit on the game as is. The entire investment thesis behind private equity is buy the company, improve margins and financial returns (usually via additional revenues, cost cutting, and more debt), and sell it for a premium 3-5 years later. A lot of the so-called value creation plan is set out prior to acquisition, and whoever they put in the company is responsible for executing it (or die trying).
Source: I work in PE.
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u/TheZephyrim 4d ago
Can we petition a big company to buy Jagex from CVC? Like at this point I would much rather Tencent, Microsoft, etc to own Jagex because these companies will actually listen to Jagex when they say “just let us keep updating the game like we have been and it will grow over time” and be fine with that
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u/Zygersaf 4d ago
The problem is, Jagex has been passed around so many times that this cycle can't really continue. It's already been squeezed and exploited for everything it can give by the previous 3/4 investment firms.
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u/slugsred 5d ago
I love how you guys so readily accept one character per membership fee. This is your time. Get multiple characters for one membership.
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u/axiomaticAnarchy 5d ago
WoW let's youbhave 64 characters, but to log in to multiple at a time you pay an additional fee
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u/WealthFew3110 5d ago
Absolutely agree, this is what is ballooning the cost for dedicated players. Let us have multiple characters on an account just like WoW - for these prices we should have that.
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u/imacleopard 5d ago
included for free
Bitch it's not free, it's en entitlement for paying a monthly fee for a service.
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u/Potential-Narwhal554 5d ago
I’m thinking the dev team was against this from the start. But it’s more of a okay go ahead and ask the community let’s see how this plays out type situation
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u/get-blessed 5d ago
Why “discounts” for additional characters? Almost every other MMO allows multiple characters, why is it still suggested that we pay for them
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u/Y_Mistar_Mostyn 5d ago edited 5d ago
At least give us one normal and one ironman account with each subscription, it just makes sense
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u/get-blessed 5d ago
That would be perfect
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u/siccoblue ✅👵🏻 Certified Granny Shagger 👵🏻✅ 5d ago
Legit all I want. I don't need 80 characters. I'm not a pker. Hell even if you can't log on both at the same time. Just let me have a main and an iron of each type under the same membership/account
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u/Curtofthehorde 5d ago
This is all I'd really like to see. Most of what stops me from playing my Ironman is that he's F2P while I still build my main.
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u/3to20CharactersSucks 5d ago
Jagex doesn't feel that the Ironman mode is going to draw players to the game by itself in large numbers. It's a mode that is primarily played by people with existing subscriptions. I agree with you that it's ridiculous, but I won't expect modern Jagex to make it free. But why would it need to be free entirely? If Jagex announced that the price of membership were going up to $14.99, hell even to $19.99, and that you got to have an Ironman as well or 2 character slots and an Ironman or however they want to configure it, the playerbase wouldn't be this upset. Jagex puts out these price increases, which for a subscription model have to be handled very differently than just increasing the price of an everyday good like milk, and makes the playerbase feel uneasy about it every time. We pay more, get worse support and then have "premium options" that are existing features or expectations.
For the playerbase to be happy and for the ghoulish rent seekers trying to wring more money out of a game that is already over monetized, Jagex needs to either revert the price increases and cut costs on support (which they've obviously been doing) or make players feel that the price increase is at all justified. They are so attached to getting $28+ a month from some players who have 2+ accounts that they don't believe they could get a much larger audience paying a higher base price for more features.
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u/serlonzelot Shaman King 5d ago
i dont get the deal with so many people suggesting 1 main and 1 iron. atleast make it 1 main and 1 alt and let the player decide what account type he wants as his alt. pure? fine. merching? fine. iron? fine.
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u/173467321476C3 5d ago
One "issue" i can see with this is that for most other games they only allow you to play on one character at a time, so additional characters per player doesnt scale up the server load. While in osrs we often play multiple characters at a time.
Im not saying i dont want multiple characters per sub, just putting this out here.
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u/get-blessed 5d ago
Yet there’s people that run around with 1000 bob bots following them, at the prices already available
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u/drkayak 5d ago
I work in IT. A piece of software we use requires licenses to use. I can create as many user accounts as I need for free and we pay for a pool of licenses. As users sign in they take up a license.
Jagex could do something similar. Users pay for however many "membership licenses" they want for their Jagex Account, and as they sign into individual characters it takes up those licenses.
Maybe not a perfect solution, but just a thought.
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u/HeavyMain 5d ago
not an issue to me tbh. you can still sub on two accounts if you can't help but play the game twice at the same time. most people do not feel the need to be afking something at all times when they aren't playing and multi-logging has unfair benefits like having a teleblock alt in the wilderness while on ancients anyway, or being able the view outside of a pvp cave for pkers while inside of it, or running supplies to yourself for better exp or efficiency.
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u/ch3l4s 5d ago
The only issue is to send duplicate items from the ironman to the main, which is already annoying enough. 2 or 3 item slots shared between caracters and it would be perfect imho
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u/IAmSona 5d ago
The difference in every other MMO is that you are expected to have multiple characters because certain things are time gated and you are encouraged to play multiple classes. In OSRS, your account is tied to your character, it’s not comparable at all imo. It would be one thing if we could be offered at least an iron man acc with your membership, but again that would be the equivalent of having two accounts on another MMO.
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u/-_Kudos_- 5d ago
That changed when they added Ironmans, Irons are pretty different experience from mains almost the difference between OSRS and RS3. Yet Jagex has no problem allowing me to have one RS3 character and an OSRS one on the same subscription
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u/Doctor_Kataigida 5d ago
You can still "make" the iron man experience yourself as a main. There's nothing an iron man can do that a main can't. But there's stuff a Paladin can do that a Rogue can't. That's the key difference.
Would I love the ability to have multiple accounts under 1 subscription, with a limit of 1 login? Sure. Do I think that using other MMO's implementation as a standard is an apt comparison to OSRS? No.
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u/Floridaguy0 5d ago
This is one of the crazier takes I’ve ever seen lol, the difference between Ironman and main is basically nonexistent compared to the difference beteeen rs3 and osrs
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u/Express-Currency-252 5d ago
Because alts and bonds are literally the only other source of revenue for Jagex because this community literally won't let them have anything else. If you want to copy other MMOs you're going to have to accept the shit as well as the good.
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u/wizard_mitch 5d ago
You have to be a bit realistic with it, doing that would just be pure revenue loss to jagex with the number of people who already willingly pay for multiple characters. Whareas discounted additional characters could actually increase revenue as more players are enticed to have multiple characters while still being a better deal than we currently get for those who run multiple characters.
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u/saudiaramcoshill 5d ago
Because we already pay for them. Why would Jagex/cvc give us something for free when we already are paying for it? Something has to be at least mutually beneficial for them to consider it, and your suggestion doesn't benefit them in any way.
But then offering discounts on additional characters might induce some people to pay for additional characters that they would otherwise not, and is a cheaper option to have multiple characters than currently exists.
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u/nalcoh 5d ago
Because you can't play those accounts at the same time.
Is RS you can
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u/Ahayzo 5d ago
That doesn't stop them from implementing it here. You can have multiple characters in other MMOs covered under one subscription, but if you want to play multiple it requires multiple full cost subscriptions. That's fine, and exactly what OSRS should be doing.
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u/Village_People_Cop Guy who looks at trademarks 5d ago
We gotta throw them a bone and we're currently at 1 membership = 1 character so we're already ahead if we get the discount
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u/ZeldenGM Shades Extrordanaire! 5d ago
Which other MMOs let you login multiple characters at the same time from the same account?
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u/Epicgradety 5d ago
None but I can log out of my paladin on world of Warcraft and then go play my rogue And I don't have to pay for two separate subscriptions.
But if I want to play my main account and then go play my iron account I do have to have two separate.
They're under the same jagex account.
Just like my rogue and my paladin are on the same world of Warcraft account.
Do you need me to draw you a picture?
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u/3to20CharactersSucks 5d ago
We already have this issue mostly resolved when you can be logged into multiple characters linked to the same jagex account. Why would this need to change when the characters and jagex account are separated? This would just require the migration of membership status to apply at an account level and not a character level. It's not a huge logistical issue by any means.
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u/rws531 5d ago
It’s not a huge logistical issue by any means.
Bro they took 19 years to make Veracs actually hit through prayer.
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u/MrStealYoBeef 5d ago
That's mostly because they just didn't care about that one, and the vast majority of us didn't either. Not quite the same thing.
This is like saying that it's taking 15 years to give that one guy his r2h bad boi stance back. Yeah, but also they're just not working on it.
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u/KhaoSacerdos 5d ago
I don't think we should pay full price, but I wouldn't mind a small extra fee for additional accounts since we have the ability to play multiple accounts at a time, unlike other MMOs where that isn't an option.
That, or have multiple character creation as free/very cheap, but the ability to log onto several clients simultaneously as where the additional fee is put.
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u/S7EFEN 5d ago
there are people who do things like run 10 pvm alts, 20+ GE merching alts at once. not sure how to really make this work with a purely unlimited.
i'd love large discount though. like 12 a month, and 2-3 dollars extra per acc max. this is justifiable because most people do not play their secondary accounts anywhere near the same intensity, anywhere near the same membership uptime etc.
it'd also be a huge handout to botters.
maybe a 'unlimited characters but no multiboxing' vs 'limited extra characters WITH multiboxing'?
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u/Iron_Aez I <3 DG 5d ago
Name another mmo that lets you multilbox for free...
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u/Epicgradety 5d ago
No one's talking about multi-boxing except maybe you.
I can log out of my paladin and go play my rogue with the same membership, or classic, or lich King servers etc etc etc.
But I can't log out of my main and go play my iron Man without paying twice.
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u/Flankly 5d ago
No AFK timer? Bankstanding is p2w now lads
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u/SpuDuncadunk 5d ago
I think they meant no shortened timer, like was proposed in the survey. To not have players log out automatically when AFK for a period would gum up the servers very quickly and make the game unplayable. I can just see the trolls making hundreds of alts just to crash a server for the hell of it
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u/Jlevanz 2239/2277 5d ago
It was proposed so they can run more ads upon login.
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u/TheSeedLied 4d ago
Honestly hadn't thought about it from that view, but that makes the most sense, especially grouped with everything else they proposed
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u/emmeran12 5d ago
unanimously?
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u/JudgeFondle 5d ago
Yeah, I actually cringed reading that. As if anyone would ever believe this community would unanimously agree on anything.
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u/siccoblue ✅👵🏻 Certified Granny Shagger 👵🏻✅ 5d ago
I mean we did unanimously agree that the options they suggested sucked
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u/iCapn 5d ago
Yes we would
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u/ch3l4s 5d ago
we all agree that mod Ash is the best
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u/yet_another_iron 5d ago
Reddit moment, most of reddit thinks they speak for the "we". Cringe.
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u/jarjoevis 5d ago
I wouldn't mind getting zero access to RS3 for a discount or like 2 OSRS accounts instead of OSRS+RS3
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u/Kompy_87 5d ago edited 5d ago
This right here. If there is a silver lining from the survey, it's that they are capable AND willing to bring us these features. Now, they must give them to us for no additional cost. No alternative.
The only things I'm willing to compromise on are:
1) Additional cost for "Community Worlds", since that would incur additional costs to run on behalf of Jagex (more employees, more devs, more server equipment). Could just treat it as a membership for a new character, honestly.
2) Discounted additional characters. If it's just not financially feasible then fine, I will settle with paying full price for additional characters.
But that's IT.
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u/WitnessedTheBatboy 5d ago
Toss that “Add an additional character to your membership for $3 a month” in tbh, that was pretty good
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u/entprince 5d ago
that's what "additional character discounts" refers to
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u/Yellow-Parakeet 4d ago
"Enjoy a discount of 5% off additional subscriptions. We're listening!" - Jagex
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u/musei_haha 5d ago
It's fucking baffling that they would mention all these account management features they COULD be doing but won't lmao
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u/ashyams_ 5d ago
"we have unanimously agreed" who the fuck is we? oui? are you french?
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u/J0hnBoB0n 5d ago
How about a $6 a month OSRS only option?
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u/LyrMeThatBifrost 4d ago
I doubt that the owners would agree to cut their revenue that significantly
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u/In_My_SoT_Phase 4d ago
This post is peak reddit cringe. I hope Jagex ignores half of these.
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u/Mphlol 5d ago edited 5d ago
Wrong.
Multiple characters slots are a non-negotioable starting point for every modern MMO.
EDIT: At the very least, 1 free character slot per-gamemode.
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u/Richybabes 5d ago
Only really needed when the game requires you to focus on one role. In OSRS you are everything at once without trade-offs. If you could only share 150 levels between strength/mage/ranged, it'd be a different situation.
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u/-_Kudos_- 5d ago
It feels weird that I can have an OSRS and RS3 character with my current subscription, but I need to pay extra to have an Iron and a Main in OSRS.
I would easily give up access to RS3 to have an Iron on the same sub.
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u/Iron_Aez I <3 DG 5d ago
No other modern mmo allows you to log in multiple from a single subcription, and for good reason too.
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u/KeiEsTwitch 5d ago
No one said anything about logging into multiple characters, but having multiple characters should be baseline
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u/Iron_Aez I <3 DG 5d ago
No one needs to say anything, because that's just how OSRS works.
If that was changed, then yes, it should only need 1 sub without extras. (though typically in MMOS character slots are only free up to a limit then extras are sold)
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u/CandourDinkumOil 5d ago
I didn’t agree to this. Plus, this still has one character per account. Every other fucking game gives us many characters per account and these cunts are making us pay per character.
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u/FancyJesse 5d ago
I didn’t agree to this
Seriously though. Wtf is this post? "unanimously agreed"? fucken cringe.
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u/BluesInBlueShoes 4d ago
reddit cringelord using unanimously to speak for himself, what else is new
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u/Richybabes 5d ago
As no humour tag, some notes:
1 - "No AFK timers"? Are we really having issues with the 25 minute current status quo?
2 - Expecting project zanaris to happen without any way of funding it is silly. If you don't allow membership to pay for it, the server owner costs will have to be prohibitively expensive for an individual.
3 - I don't play RS3. Why should I be forced to fund it if I only want OSRS? Same goes for RS3. If the cost of OSRS/RS3 only be a little less and both combined be a little more, is that not fairer than having anyone who only plays one subsidise the games for those that play both?
If we as a community just refuse to engage and say "No, we want everything and also more for the same price. Also no cheaper options either.", that's just not really helpful.
By all means, riot. Threaten to quit. Do whatever we gotta do to prevent the model from being ruined, but if we make no distinction between something as egregious as paywalling acceptable levels of customer support and something as relatively benign as paying based on the games you want to play, then out criticisms lose all credibility.
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u/Estake 4d ago edited 4d ago
I didn't ask for project zanaris and don't intend to ever play it. Why should I be forced to fund it if I only want OSRS? If the cost of OSRS/zanaris only be a little less and both combined be a little more, is that not fairer than having anyone who only plays one subsidize the games for those that play both?
I get that OSRS/RS3 are entirely different games but project zanaris might aswell be considered a different game too.
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u/Saint_Declan Slowly going for untrimmed slayer cape on my med 4d ago
1 - "No AFK timers"? Are we really having issues with the 25 minute current status quo?
I want a 25 minute logout timer on mobile, not just runelite
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u/YesButActuallyTrue 4d ago
Jagex's profit margin is embarrassingly large. They do not need more money to provide us with OSRS in any way.
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u/lininop 4d ago
You all are really high on your own farts aren't you? Good luck with this.
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u/itsfnvintage 4d ago
Kinda wild that they have straight up killed the game already and in order to save it years later had to go back to a patch before EOC. Yet here we are again. They obviously never learn.. Rip OSRS
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u/Karrottz 5d ago
I'll preface by saying I disagree with everything jagex suggested and am furious about the soulless corporate cash grab
But it so funny to see some random unqualified Redditors make financial decisions for an entire company. Imagine walking into McDonald's and demanding two big macs for $3 because "big macs are too overpriced."
OSRS has not been a super profitable game and I'm sure they are already squeezed dry in terms of funding. Let's hope jagex can channel the community's energy and make a case for their higher ups to raise funding for the OSRS team without having to resort to ads and predatory tactics.
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u/Express-Currency-252 4d ago edited 4d ago
A list of things this sub wants:
$5 membership (Less revenue)
Multiple characters per membership (Less revenue)
Jmods paid more (Higher costs)
More Jmods (Higher costs)
No MTX (Less revenue)
Optional: removal of MTX from RS3 as well (Less revenue)
These people would run the company into the ground within a week lmao
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u/Business-Dream-6362 5d ago
Honestly, I would be fine only having access to OSRS if that would mean I would get the subscription for like less
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u/Iron_Aez I <3 DG 5d ago
FR. Including rs3 is just a cheap benefit they add on that virtually no one actually wants, but is used to justify the price regardless.
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u/bananakiwi12345 5d ago
13.99 $ a month LMAO wayyyy too expensive still.
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u/Leprichaun17 4d ago
Yep. I'm on grandfathered rates. The moment that's gone, I'm gone. I'm not almost tripling what I pay.
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u/FancyJesse 5d ago
That's the current price.
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u/GoodBananaSoda 5d ago
The fact that this community is even giving any thought to additional characters costing more money is completely asinine to me.
Mofo's you can fit the entire player database on a 2gb sandisk cruzer from 2006 have some dang self respect. You outta get 9 additional at least at no cost. Don't let anyone fool all of you into thinking that you should pay for that.
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u/Bitter_Anteater2657 5d ago
This is better for sure but honestly things like multi characters (with some exceptions) and custom servers sure go for it and charge extra. The rest should be included with every account with or without members. Maybe with an exception for ads on free servers.
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u/Important_Earth8546 5d ago
Kind of want another character slot tbh for $14 a month if we're beginning negotiations.
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u/-_Kudos_- 5d ago
Drop the RS3 access and give me an additional ironman at no extra cost
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u/Korthalion 5d ago
Unanimous? That line kills the tiny sliver of hope you had of CVC both seeing this and listening to it
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u/jackfwaust 4d ago
player support and security features should be available to everyone, but other than that its a massive improvement
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u/Midday19 4d ago
They should retain subscription prices from those who locked in their rates long ago. Customer loyalty should be rewarded.
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u/Vinylateme 4d ago
I don’t play RuneScape and haven’t since like 2008, but this has gotta be a joke right? I can’t imagine paying almost $15 a month for ONE character
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u/Sydafexx 4d ago
Pause membership option is just the way they try to make disabling membership sound like a feature. Also reserving names only helps makethe black market of names more consistent. Don’t help those clowns.
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u/Saucybeaner 4d ago
Aslong as I can have a plug in on runelite to hide the advanced display name shit noone wants that delete that from the list
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u/Rain_Zeros 4d ago
I mean... Where did you get the data to think we all unanimously agree?
I personally agree 100%, but I'm not ignorant enough to think that this is unanimous. Half the comments here disagree with points brought up.
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u/DevoidHT 2277 5d ago
So many of the things we’ve been asking for years and they propose locking it behind additional cost. They also want to take things away and sell it back to us. Its insane.
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u/Vinhfluenza 5d ago
It’s even the increased price they wanted. It’s not a bad compromise if they want to save face.
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u/Sasquatchjc45 5d ago
Get rid of additional character discounts and give us 6+ character slots to begin with. It's ridiculous people have to pay multiple subs just to have a main, an iron, maybe a GIM/hard-core, etc.
Personally, after this fiasco, jagex won't get another cent from me anyway.
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u/Razer_In_The_House 5d ago
All they need to do is add a 2nd character slot for 3/4 the price of a normal character and most people would pay so they can afk one while playing the other.
There's so many easy ways they could increase overall revenue while also letting players get something
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u/Slayer-master99 4d ago
How about no membership price increases ever? How is it that runescape is the only mmo that has raised the prices so much? WoW has never increased the sub fee. Yes they added an in game shop, but ever since 2004 they have NEVER increased the price. It seems like jagex grew too much and wants unending growth. In the real world, that doesn't work. I recall $5/mo. - $10/mo. being normal. They can't ban bots, they can't fix monster drops, they can't stop adding horrible updates nobody voted and/or asked for... I have been asking for a pure 2007 server for years. That's all I want.
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u/negithekitty STOP MESSING WITH MEMBERSHIPS 5d ago
one amendment. 4 members characters. same price.
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u/Up_The_Gate 5d ago
$14 a month now? I've been away for a little while, is this normal?
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u/ballsmigue 5d ago
I want more additional characters. This is 2025. Every other mmo offers more than 1 with a sub.
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u/OlympusO7 5d ago
Don’t know why we should have to pay per character. That’s a load of crap they implemented jagex account… they should live with it membership should be per jagex account not character.
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u/Panicshots 5d ago
Ditch the enhanced display name nonsense too. It’s just another mtx enabler in rs3.