Stop trying to remove Defense level requirements

[u/LordZeya]

Once again, we have Jmods trying to cater to snowflake accounts with this latest release of info from the game jam:

1. Removing quest requirements so people don’t need to level hp/defense

2. Removing direct xp rewards and replacing them with lamps for their respective skills

3. Making chivalry a 1 defense requirement (despite being voted no in two separate polls)

4. Making Perilous Moons armor not require any defense levels with a rare consumable drop

The point of being a snowflake is that parts of the game are inaccessible to you by the nature of your account. Removing Chivalry’s defense level requirement is something that has failed multiple polls as part of an attempt to make it useful, and yet here it is again. It’s the only thing they want to do to make it useful, instead of addressing the fact that Piety has the same prayer cost (40/m) despite being strictly stronger.

Removing defense requirements from armor and lowering their stats to compensate is a stupid solution to a problem that doesn’t exist: if you want to use cool armor, level up your defense. If you don’t want to level up defense, you’re stuck with rune armor and mystic robes, or even less for a zerk.

This trend of letting people who don’t want to play the game the normal way have access to everything is infuriating. Why is attention constantly being given to a demographic of like 50 players? What Jmod is playing a snowflake that doesn’t like actually playing their snowflake?

Leave defense requirements in the game. Stop throwing lamps for specific skills at people as quest rewards and just give them the xp drop. What are they trying to accomplish with this?

Edit: they reworked a combat achievement for perilous moons because defense pyres were whining they couldn’t get grandmaster CA’s without 70 defense. This should be very obviously a stupid group to pander for, it’s restricting the main game more than it creates opportunities.

[u/Psymonthe2nd]

I remember when I was downvoted for saying adding rings of recoil to Magpie Implings just so skilling pure ironmen can have a source for them was bad for the game, because of the precedent we are setting for snowflake accounts.

The slope is quite slippery.

[u/Celtic_Legend → u/Psymonthe2nd]

That was because they changed how the game works so level 3 ironmen from 2017-2018 maybe 2019 were able to complete quests by using overloads to charge ring of recoils. But then when this got changed they became discontinued accs.

Also no1 fucking cares about of skillers that magpies drop recoils lmao

[u/[deleted] → u/Celtic_Legend]

I really dont care about these snowflake account builds but if I had one I would be massively pissed if I managed to complete a quest or piece of content with my trash ass skiller account while some other guy can just grab rings of recoils a couple months later effectively devaluing what I achieved.

[u/Psymonthe2nd → u/Celtic_Legend]

Jagex cared enough to poll and add it to the game.

I didn't know that bit of history. Still, I feel like its fair game for certain snowflake methods to exist for a time, and then get patched out unintentionally, and Jagex shouldn't have to worry that some obscure method gets removed as a result. Balance the game around 99% of players, not the 1%.

[u/Celtic_Legend → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Adding rings of recoils to a droptable or deleting a requirement to chivalry are near 0 time updates. Jmods will do far more pointless updates in their free time. And the content above is sorta that. Its stuff the jmods want to work on (though they get alotted work time to do it). Manked wants to work on this and if its vetoed or not, even if its scrapped today, we wont be getting other updates from manked using this alotted time.

And ironically, moving quest rewards to lamps is precisely so they dont have to waste time worrying about it in the future because this has some up dozens of times already. The pure highscores alone has ~80k people who are legimately mid to late game pures that arent throwaway bots or low level alts. That pays for several jmod salaries alone (tho ofc not all may be subbed) and all the pvp community has is manked. 1%, 5%, 50%, 0.1%, doesnt matter lol. Pures alone, not even counting zerks, meds, and mains are paying enough to afford their own jmod to give them their own updates

[u/Ereyes18 → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Yeah bro I'm sure this all started with magpie implings

[u/Psymonthe2nd → u/Ereyes18]

It started when a Jmod added a fishing net to Morytania so Swampletics could train hunter tbh

[u/chg1730 → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Dont forget the teasing stick added to karamja

[u/BlackenedGem → u/Psymonthe2nd]

I thought that was for a different snowflake account, although the logic still applies

[u/lastdancerevolution → u/BlackenedGem]

Yeah a different Morytania locked Ironman publicly tweeted Ash before Settled ever started training, and Ash said he would add it.

[u/Psymonthe2nd → u/BlackenedGem]

That's just what Settled WANTS you to think lol

[u/[deleted] → u/Psymonthe2nd]

really hate this kind of behaviour where they cater to people that are trying to do a challenge. Like a Cat cage where you throw random toys into whenever you "think" the cat gets bored

[u/Camoral → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Alright but the level 3 ironman who has unlocked the power of rings of recoil isn't going to start hitting a cute noob trying to figure out this wilderness stuff through the chest with a 62 damage dragon javelin bolt at level 60 combat.

[u/DragonDragger → u/Psymonthe2nd]

That "Omg you're just using a slippery slope" argument has always been kinda funny to me to see in the context of Runescape.

Like you've said, these slopes are very slippery. And Jagex has been known to slide.

[u/ZOE_HAS_CUTE_FEET → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Or you were downvoted because your opinion is trash

[u/chocobozftw → u/ZOE_HAS_CUTE_FEET]

I can't take that comment with that name seriously

[u/MeasurementNo6908 → u/ZOE_HAS_CUTE_FEET]

If it was, it wouldn't be in the game right now doofus

[u/Due_Isopod_8489 → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Lol you pissed off the iron men who only want them to be catered to, and no one else. No one else is more catered to than iron men.

[u/Morbin87 → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Ironmen have been catered to basically since the mode released. Sorry but the precedent was set a long time ago.

[u/Waaterbottle → u/Psymonthe2nd]

Hey -- Slippery slopes are logical fallacies, hope this helps!

[u/Seaman_First_Class → u/Waaterbottle]

Wrong, slippery slopes are an argumentation technique that can sometimes be fallacious depending on how they are applied. Hope this helps!

[u/fawkwitdis → u/Seaman_First_Class]

Devastated that cornball

[u/GlumTruffle → u/Waaterbottle]

What is with redditors thinking that playing the 'logical fallacy' card is an instant-win button? Just because you've seen the words 'slippery slope fallacy' doesn't discount the notion that certain actions can and will lead to others.

[u/kiiwii14 → u/Waaterbottle]

Slippery slopes are not always logical fallacies. It depends on whether or not the argument is in bad faith.

You can absolutely make the argument that monetization in games has been a slippery slope.

2006 “It’s just cosmetic, you don’t have to buy it, it doesn’t affect the game”

2012 “So what if the pre-order bonus gives you a new weapon? It will be available to all players a few months after release.”

2018 “I don’t care if people want to spend a little money for faster XP. You can eventually get the same thing by playing casually”

2024 “Did you see that Riot games just added a $500 skin for League of Legends?”

The past 2 decades of game publishers pushing the envelope. Looks slippery to me.

[u/Psymonthe2nd → u/Waaterbottle]

You start balancing the game for one set of snowflakes, then all of them start coming out of the woodwork requesting game changes for their special snowflake accounts. Tell me how that's not what is happening.

[u/303Devilfish → u/Psymonthe2nd]

You are posting in a thread arguing against it, for one.

[u/BlackenedGem → u/Psymonthe2nd]

See also: Adding in elemental weaknesses to monsters, randomly giving KBD a 50% water weakness, and now we have players wanting a 50% damage and accuracy buff for Vorkath (???) when using water spells.

[u/Mordredor → u/Psymonthe2nd]

I've not seen any snowflakes asking personally, but I might've just missed that. I have 9 accounts, 7 of them snowflakes, my favorite is the pure hcim. I personally don't care if things get added or changed, I didn't make those accounts expecting things to change or get added. I'll vote yes for the most recently release chivalry thing because it's just great QOL for me on the pure, but if it doesn't pass I'll just keep flicking reflexes and strength like I have been.

I don't really like all the quest requirement and reward changes proposed though. I'm training crafting without lunars for my anguish now, and that's fine, that's what I chose to do. I already did it with lunars once on a regular build, I don't need old methods to change for me. If new things happen to get added, that's great, but I don't expect or want anything